Let me see if I have this right.

[berg80]

I don't think we really need a nation's doctor in the first place, it's far too political an appointment, and as we saw in Covid, leads to his/her pronouncements used to force people to get in line.

I don't think trump is proposing naming RFK Surgeon General. He's just going to give him sweeping authority to impose his vision of healthcare on the US.

 

[berg80]

No matter what democrats say, it won't be true.

PROJECTION ALERT!

 

[berg80]

Much of the Federal government's spending is both unwise and unconstitutional

Horseshit. Prove it.

 

[Mac-7]

No you aren't. You're saying trump is lying since my post is essentially a recitation of things he has promised to do.

Its a lie that trump intends to arrest journalists if they criticize him

 

[rightwinger]

So we should have just let Iraq take over Kuwait and then threaten Saudi Arabia and the other gulf States?

Because those were his targets as well.

You mean like what Putin is doing in Ukraine?

WTF is the matter with Republicans?
I can see if you oppose foreign intervention and are isolationist.

But Republicans enthusiastically supported US invasions of Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq but oppose military support to Ukraine.

All because Biden supported it

 

[berg80]

Its a lie that trump intends to arrest journalists

Former President Trump stood by his comments that political opponents are the "enemy from within" in a Fox News interview aired Sunday.
The big picture: The GOP nominee has dug his heels in on controversial rhetoric, even as it has garnered scrutiny, while his language becomes darker ahead of Nov. 5.

• Since he suggested in a Fox interview aired last week that the National Guard or military could be used against the "enemy from within," including "radical-left lunatics," in the case of Election Day chaos, Trump has doubled down on his comments.
• He has, on multiple occasions in recent days, named Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as examples of the "enemy."
• In a separate head-turning moment at a Univision town hall Wednesday, Trump downplayed the events of January 6, where around 140 police officers were assaulted, as "a day of love."

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/20/trump-fox-jan-6-enemy-from-within-doubles-down?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

During Trump’s first term, the Justice Department pursued several secret leak investigations into leading news organizations, including The New York Times, The Washington Post, and CNN. In his campaign for a second term, Trump has twice discussed scenarios for jailing journalists in the course of leak investigations and implied that the threat of a prison rape could get them to cough up their sources. “The reporter goes to jail,” Trump said at a November 2022 rally in Ohio. “When the reporter learns that he’s going to be married in two days to a certain prisoner that’s extremely strong, tough, and mean, he will say, ‘You know…I think I’m going to give you the information.’”

This kind of extrajudicial intimidation is indicative of the twisted thinking of mob bosses or hardcore autocrats. But this was a proposal by a former American president. And there is good reason to take him at his word. In Trump’s first term, he tried repeatedly to roll back press freedom. Fortunately, his worst instincts were thwarted by senior officials, the courts, and the media itself. As the former executive director of the Committee to Protect Journalists, which publicly challenged Trump’s attacks on the free press and proclaimed that the media was not in fact, as he would occasionally refer to the profession, “the enemy of the people,” I like to think I played a small role.

American Journalists Beware: A Second Trump Term Could Pose Very Real Risks

The former director of the Committee to Protect Journalists lays out the grave threats that American news outlets might confront—and offers proactive safeguards.

www.vanityfair.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You mean like what Putin is doing in Ukraine?

WTF is the matter with Republicans?
I can see if you oppose foreign intervention and are isolationist.

But Republicans enthusiastically supported US invasions of Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq but oppose military support to Ukraine.

All because Biden supported it

Not at all. We support aid to Ukraine. Just to paying salaries, pensions and for their goods and services.

 

[martybegan]

You mean like what Putin is doing in Ukraine?

WTF is the matter with Republicans?
I can see if you oppose foreign intervention and are isolationist.

But Republicans enthusiastically supported US invasions of Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq but oppose military support to Ukraine.

All because Biden supported it

Again, what is our endgame?

In all other cases we had an endgame, it didn't work out in round two, but it was there.

Can't you answer me on that?

 

[rightwinger]

Again, what is our endgame?

In all other cases we had an endgame, it didn't work out in round two, but it was there.

Can't you answer me on that?

Endgame in Ukraine

Support the Ukraine people from an unprovoked invasion
Deplete Russian forces and military equipment
Destabilize the Putin Government

So far, it is working

 

[martybegan]

Endgame in Ukraine

Support the Ukraine people from an unprovoked invasion
Deplete Russian forces and military equipment
Destabilize the Putin Government

So far, it is working

That isn't an endgame.

So far Russia controls the field.

 

[rightwinger]

Not at all. We support aid to Ukraine. Just to paying salaries, pensions and for their goods and services.

Trump doesn’t support that
He wants Ukraine to surrender

 

[berg80]

Destabilize the Putin Government

Ironic that Putin wants to destabilize the US by means of a trump presidency.

 

[rightwinger]

That isn't an endgame.

So far Russia controls the field.

That is the endgame

Russia and China are the two biggest threats to the U.S. military.
We spend $875 billion a year on our military and Ukraine is taking on one of our biggest military threats WITHOUT US troops

The once mighty Russian Army, Navy and Airforce has been seriously depleted without a means to replace it

 

[rightwinger]

Ironic that Putin wants to destabilize the US by means of a trump presidency.

Putin needs a Trump victory to survive.
Trump will cut aid to Ukraine and force them to capitulate to Russia.
Otherwise he is stuck in a war of attrition

 

[martybegan]

That is the endgame

Russia and China are the two biggest threats to the U.S. military.
We spend $875 billion a year on our military and Ukraine is taking on one of our biggest military threats WITHOUT US troops

The once mighty Russian Army, Navy and Airforce has been seriously depleted without a means to replace it

That isn't an endgame.

The endgame for Japan in WWII was to create a defensive perimeter and defeat the US in a few big battles, bringing them to the negotiating table. That went out the window after Midway.

The endgame for Germany in WWII was a defeated Russia, an impotent England, and an accepting United States. That went out the window after the Battle of Moscow and the US entry into the war.

The endgame for Saddam in 1990 was occupying Kuwait and expecting the rest of the world to accept that. That went out the window when the US didn't accept it.

The endgame for the South in the Civil war was a string of victories, European recognition and intervention. That went out the window after Gettysburg.

The Allied endgame for WWII was unconditional surrender of Japan and Germany. What do you know! it worked.

What is the Ukrainian endgame, and by proxy, our endgame?

 

[rightwinger]

That isn't an endgame.

The endgame for Japan in WWII was to create a defensive perimeter and defeat the US in a few big battles, bringing them to the negotiating table. That went out the window after Midway.

The endgame for Germany in WWII was a defeated Russia, an impotent England, and an accepting United States. That went out the window after the Battle of Moscow and the US entry into the war.

The endgame for Saddam in 1990 was occupying Kuwait and expecting the rest of the world to accept that. That went out the window when the US didn't accept it.

The endgame for the South in the Civil war was a string of victories, European recognition and intervention. That went out the window after Gettysburg.

The Allied endgame for WWII was unconditional surrender of Japan and Germany. What do you know! it worked.

What is the Ukrainian endgame, and by proxy, our endgame?

That IS the endgame

Allow Ukraine to take on the largest threat to US and Europe without US military intervention. A “Win” is Russia exhausting its military and withdrawing. Just like they did in Afghanistan

Money well spent

 

[martybegan]

That IS the endgame

Allow Ukraine to take on the largest threat to US and Europe without US military intervention. A “Win” is Russia exhausting its military and withdrawing. Just like they did in Afghanistan

Money well spent

No, it isn't. Does Russia break up? Does it have a revolution or coup and maybe someone worse takes over?

Why would they withdraw when they control the territory they want?

And this isn't Afghanistan, this is land occupied by a combo of Ukrainians and Ethnic Russians that has been back and forth between the two for centuries.

 

[Redfish]

Don't forget Amnesty for all the illegals here already, and the subsequent promise of another one a decade from now that entails.

the dem plan from the beginning was to turn the illegals into dem voters. We cannot let them succeed at this.

 

[Redfish]

That IS the endgame

Allow Ukraine to take on the largest threat to US and Europe without US military intervention. A “Win” is Russia exhausting its military and withdrawing. Just like they did in Afghanistan

Money well spent

Bullshit, there is no US interest is saving Ukraine. Let Putin have it then its corruption is his problem to deal with.

 

[rightwinger]

Bullshit, there is no US interest is saving Ukraine. Let Putin have it then its corruption is his problem to deal with.

Dead Russians is in our interest