Legal Gay Marriage in the United States- yes or no?

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Perhaps a more fair system would be marriage tax breaks and LGBT tax breaks?

Marriage does not give automatic tax breaks. It allows couples to file a joint return which may or may not result in lower taxes. Having children-gay or straight -provides a dependent deduction.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Episcopal Church approves gay marriage

The Episcopal Church's Bishop of Edinburgh, The Right Reverend Dr John Armes, said: "I am very pleased for the couples who can now have their relationships recognised by the church and blessed by God.

"I'm also pleased for what this means about our church and the way we have been able to do this. But obviously any change like this creates pain and hurt in some as well, so as a bishop of the church I feel for them."

All that this tells us is that the corrupt Episcopal church has openly and willfully rebelled against the God that it fraudulently claims to serve and worship.

 

[GWV5903]

Civil Unions will protect their partners...

Marriage is between a man and a woman...

Pretty simple, but somehow we manage to complicate it...

And by complicate it- you managed to try to outlaw both civil unions and marriage for gays.

Georgia
(a) This state shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman. Marriages between persons of the same sex are prohibited in this state.
(b) No union between persons of the same sex shall be recognized by this state as entitled to the benefits of marriage. This state shall not give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other state or jurisdiction respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other state or jurisdiction. The courts of this state shall have no jurisdiction to grant a divorce or separate maintenance with respect to any such relationship or otherwise to consider or rule on any of the parties' respective rights arising as a result of or in connection with such relationship.[3]

I was pretty clear, I know we could argue over it, but its pretty simple, if you accept it great, if you don’t great...

 

[GreenBean]

I hate faggots they are the scum of the Earth - with that said - they have the same rights as any free American and the right to marry the partner of their choice - who cares ?

 

[GWV5903]

Bovine Excrement!!!! Do not try to pretend that you want to protect gay people.

Never did, I don't want to hurt them either. I have gay friends, it's their choice. A civil resolution is all that is needed...

As an ally and supporter of gay and Lesbian people, I feel their pain when they are told that they should have been satisfied with civil unions as a compromise and that they are being “divisive” for having pushed for and won the right to marry.

So you're not gay? Could have fooled me...

 

[Chuz Life]

As far as I know, it never was illegal for gays to "marry" one another. Was it?

 

[WorldWatcher]

As far as I know, it never was illegal for gays to "marry" one another. Was it?

Yes, it was illegal (as in against the law) for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriages. For decades prior to legal Civil Marriage religious institutions were performing same-sex Religious Marriages.

Don't confuse "illegal" with "criminal", they are not the same thing.



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[MisterBeale]

Can the far left drones here show anyone that was arrest for being in an illegal gay "marriage"?

Also you drones realize that the marriage license was born out of racism right?

Be that as it may, you still need a license to be legally married...

However, churches have been marrying folks long before the establishment of the US, and when the US passes to the dust bin of history, unincorporated churches will still marry folks that know the difference between what is "legal" and what is "lawful."

We shall see how many of them marry gay folks, or indeed, how many gay folk even wish to get married at that point.

What is the difference between legal and lawful as it applies to same sex couples? The constitution doesn't define anyone as "real" men or women. Are you saying gay people aren't real?

I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

Does it?

My 80 year old uncle recently married his 70 year old bride. The State was happy to authorize that marriage license.

Wisconsin allows first cousins to marry- but only if they can prove to the state that they cannot create children.

Two examples that disprove your claim that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children.

You are confusing "lawful" and "legal."

 

[Likkmee]

What's it cost ?

 

[Lysistrata]

Episcopal Church approves gay marriage

The Episcopal Church's Bishop of Edinburgh, The Right Reverend Dr John Armes, said: "I am very pleased for the couples who can now have their relationships recognised by the church and blessed by God.

"I'm also pleased for what this means about our church and the way we have been able to do this. But obviously any change like this creates pain and hurt in some as well, so as a bishop of the church I feel for them."

All that this tells us is that the corrupt Episcopal church has openly and willfully rebelled against the God that it fraudulently claims to serve and worship.

Nothing says that the Episcopal church has in any way "rebelled" against the Supreme Being. Stupid fight. Nonexistent. The whole thing about sexual orientation is the result of some sick folks who dare to claim that they have some affinity with Jesus yet cannot quote him or live by his words.

 

[Lysistrata]

As far as I know, it never was illegal for gays to "marry" one another. Was it?

You still have not gotten any help for this poor woman?

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

That is all. It is that simple.

This has been understood by all people, in all cultures, throughout the planet, for millennia. It is common sense. People get married to start families and form communities. That is the purpose of marriage. To bond different families together.

The families of gay couples will not have grandchildren to unite them, and thus, there is no lawful reason to be bonded. I'm talking about "natural law," nothing to do with the nation state.

Where are you getting this crap from. Aside from you nonsensical theory about the purpose of marriage, gay couples do in fact have kids and grand kids by a variety of means , just like others. Is it possible that you do not know that??

Marriage - Wikipedia

History of Marriage: 13 Surprising Facts

How marriage has changed over centuries

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There's no such thing as "gay" marriage.

There is only one marriage law available to eligible couples, same or opposite sex.

 

[Chuz Life]

As far as I know, it never was illegal for gays to "marry" one another. Was it?

Yes, it was illegal (as in against the law) for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriages. For decades prior to legal Civil Marriage religious institutions were performing same-sex Religious Marriages.

Don't confuse "illegal" with "criminal", they are not the same thing.



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Quote the law that says it was illegal.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

As far as I know, it never was illegal for gays to "marry" one another. Was it?

Yes, it was illegal (as in against the law) for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriages. For decades prior to legal Civil Marriage religious institutions were performing same-sex Religious Marriages.

Don't confuse "illegal" with "criminal", they are not the same thing.



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Quote the law that says it was illegal.

Silly boy!!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Quote the law that says it was illegal.

Constitution of Virginia - Article I. Bill of Rights
Virginia Constitution:

Article I. Bill of Rights
Section 15-A. Marriage
That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.



This made it illegal for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriage (or even a Civil Union) in the State or for the State to recognize such a status from another state.

That does not mean that it existed in the criminal code, it was illegal under civil law.


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[TheProgressivePatriot]

I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

That is all. It is that simple.

This has been understood by all people, in all cultures, throughout the planet, for millennia. It is common sense. People get married to start families and form communities. That is the purpose of marriage. To bond different families together.

The families of gay couples will not have grandchildren to unite them, and thus, there is no lawful reason to be bonded. I'm talking about "natural law," nothing to do with the nation state.

Where are you getting this crap from. Aside from you nonsensical theory about the purpose of marriage, gay couples do in fact have kids and grand kids by a variety of means , just like others. Is it possible that you do not know that??

Marriage - Wikipedia

History of Marriage: 13 Surprising Facts

How marriage has changed over centuries

Thank you for proving that marriage has been evolving for centuries and has never been a stagnant institution. Same sex marriage is a natural progression and not without precedent.

What you have not done is show that parents of gay people will not have grand children. That my friend is ludicrous.

 

[Chuz Life]

Quote the law that says it was illegal.

Constitution of Virginia - Article I. Bill of Rights
Virginia Constitution:

Article I. Bill of Rights
Section 15-A. Marriage
That only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions. This Commonwealth and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage. Nor shall this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions create or recognize another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage.



This made it illegal for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriage (or even a Civil Union) in the State or for the State to recognize such a status from another state.

That does not mean that it existed in the criminal code, it was illegal under civil law.


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The act of getting "married" and having that marriage "legally recognized" are two different things. The law you cited does not forbid two gays from "getting married." It simply says the State refused to "recognize " it.

That is two different things.

 

[Taz]

Let me get this out of the way now: polygamy, incest, beastailty.

All Christian inventions. Nothing to do with gays.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The act of getting "married" and having that marriage "legally recognized" are two different things. The law you cited does not forbid two gays from "getting married." It simply says the State refused to "recognize " it.

That is two different things.

I've talked about Civil Marriage and I've attempted to be careful to distinguish it from Religious Marriage (see the very post you quoted).

Yes, such laws as the one I quoted made it illegal for same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriage. Illegal, but not criminal.


You are correct. Religious Marriage was not illegal. But that isn't what was being discussed, Civil Marriage was and yes that law made it illegal.


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