Legal Gay Marriage in the United States- yes or no?

Should same gender couples be able to legally marry in the United States

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 71.1%
  • No

    Votes: 11 28.9%

  • Total voters
    38
Can the far left drones here show anyone that was arrest for being in an illegal gay "marriage"?

Also you drones realize that the marriage license was born out of racism right?
Be that as it may, you still need a license to be legally married...
However, churches have been marrying folks long before the establishment of the US, and when the US passes to the dust bin of history, unincorporated churches will still marry folks that know the difference between what is "legal" and what is "lawful."

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We shall see how many of them marry gay folks, or indeed, how many gay folk even wish to get married at that point.
What is the difference between legal and lawful as it applies to same sex couples? The constitution doesn't define anyone as "real" men or women. Are you saying gay people aren't real?
I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

Does it?

My 80 year old uncle recently married his 70 year old bride. The State was happy to authorize that marriage license.

Wisconsin allows first cousins to marry- but only if they can prove to the state that they cannot create children.

Two examples that disprove your claim that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children.
 
Civil Unions will protect their partners...

Marriage is between a man and a woman...

Pretty simple, but somehow we manage to complicate it...
 
I bet you are okay with men in their 30s preying on teens at the mall, amirite?
Hilarious you establish a sexual moral code in this thread
Call me crazy but I think preying on teens is wrong.
And I think 2 men being able to adopt little boys and girls is wrong.
Fair enough though I don't agree with you. You are reacting emotionally based on what you've been fed. I'd say the vast majority of gay couples aren't interested in preying on children while the vast majority of grown men that prey on children are interested in preying on children.
I have history and every leader in history on my side.

Episcopal Church approves gay marriage

The Episcopal Church's Bishop of Edinburgh, The Right Reverend Dr John Armes, said: "I am very pleased for the couples who can now have their relationships recognised by the church and blessed by God.

"I'm also pleased for what this means about our church and the way we have been able to do this. But obviously any change like this creates pain and hurt in some as well, so as a bishop of the church I feel for them."
 
Civil Unions will protect their partners...

Marriage is between a man and a woman...

Pretty simple, but somehow we manage to complicate it...

And by complicate it- you managed to try to outlaw both civil unions and marriage for gays.

Georgia
(a) This state shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman. Marriages between persons of the same sex are prohibited in this state.
(b) No union between persons of the same sex shall be recognized by this state as entitled to the benefits of marriage. This state shall not give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other state or jurisdiction respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other state or jurisdiction. The courts of this state shall have no jurisdiction to grant a divorce or separate maintenance with respect to any such relationship or otherwise to consider or rule on any of the parties' respective rights arising as a result of or in connection with such relationship.[3]
 
Can the far left drones here show anyone that was arrest for being in an illegal gay "marriage"?

Also you drones realize that the marriage license was born out of racism right?
Be that as it may, you still need a license to be legally married...
However, churches have been marrying folks long before the establishment of the US, and when the US passes to the dust bin of history, unincorporated churches will still marry folks that know the difference between what is "legal" and what is "lawful."

14th%2Bamendment%2Bcitizen%2Binc.jpg


We shall see how many of them marry gay folks, or indeed, how many gay folk even wish to get married at that point.
What is the difference between legal and lawful as it applies to same sex couples? The constitution doesn't define anyone as "real" men or women. Are you saying gay people aren't real?
I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

Does it?

My 80 year old uncle recently married his 70 year old bride. The State was happy to authorize that marriage license.

Wisconsin allows first cousins to marry- but only if they can prove to the state that they cannot create children.

Two examples that disprove your claim that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children.
It's the same old tired arguments they threw out there to speak against interracial marriages..
 
I bet you are okay with men in their 30s preying on teens at the mall, amirite?
Hilarious you establish a sexual moral code in this thread
Call me crazy but I think preying on teens is wrong.
And I think 2 men being able to adopt little boys and girls is wrong.
Fair enough though I don't agree with you. You are reacting emotionally based on what you've been fed. I'd say the vast majority of gay couples aren't interested in preying on children while the vast majority of grown men that prey on children are interested in preying on children.
I have history and every leader in history on my side.

Australia's Prime Minister:
The Prime Minister previously said he would personally be voting in favour of same-sex marriage, but has not publicly campaigned prior to the surprise speech on Sunday.

"Throughout my public life I've sought to ensure same-sex couples are not discriminated against and their entitlements, be it in respect of medical benefits, taxation, superannuation or employment, are no different to those afforded to heterosexual couples. Why then shouldn't those same rights now be extended to marriage?"

Prime Minister of Luxembourg Marries His Beau

Luxembourg's out prime minister, Xavier Bettel, married his longtime partner, Gauthier Destinay, Friday, making them the world's only openly gay "first couple,"

The Irish Republic’s first gay prime minister has predicted it is only a matter of time before same-sex marriage is legalised in Northern Ireland.
 
If gays are going to 'die off' because they don't reproduce.....

Where do you think all of today's gay Americans came from?

Don't care, they'll go back in the closet when people start ignoring them again.
 
I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

That is all. It is that simple.


You realize their are laws on the books that require that a couple to be allowed to marry must prove that they can't have children together right?


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I bet you are okay with men in their 30s preying on teens at the mall, amirite?
Hilarious you establish a sexual moral code in this thread
Call me crazy but I think preying on teens is wrong.
And I think 2 men being able to adopt little boys and girls is wrong.
Fair enough though I don't agree with you. You are reacting emotionally based on what you've been fed. I'd say the vast majority of gay couples aren't interested in preying on children while the vast majority of grown men that prey on children are interested in preying on children.
I have history and every leader in history on my side.

Dick Cheney

In 2004, former Vice President Dick Cheney publicly voiced his supportive stance for gay marriage equality at various points on the 2004 re-election campaign trail. Cheney also mentioned that his daughter, Liz, is a lesbian.
 
If gays are going to 'die off' because they don't reproduce.....

Where do you think all of today's gay Americans came from?

Don't care, they'll go back in the closet when people start ignoring them again.

Please do ignore them. Treat them equally before the law and ignore their sexual preference.
 
Simple question- simple unscientific poll- do you think that same gender couples in the United States should be able to legally marry?

No, the state has no business in marriage whatsoever.

Are we to snub our noses at polygamists? How about those who want to marry their dog?

The whole proposition of perverted bureaucrats giving me a thumbs up or down regarding my sexual preferences is beyond absurd. They have no moral compass themselves.
 
All I know for sure is, the married guys across the street keep their house and yard absolutely ******* immaculate, which means the rest of us need to ******* keep up and keep our ******* yards immaculate, which we all admit sure as shit has kept property values nice.

Plus they know a LOT about single malt scotch, and they're snappy dressers to boot. And they're very open to sharing a tall ladder they have for when my trees get too ******* high and I have to ******* prune them.

My ******* trees grow like ******* weeds, I swear. It's like they're planted in magic ******* soil.

Don't get me ******* STARTED about my ******* TREES.

Um...

What was the question?
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Simple question- simple unscientific poll- do you think that same gender couples in the United States should be able to legally marry?

No, the state has no business in marriage whatsoever.

Are we to snub our noses at polygamists? How about those who want to marry their dog?
.

So you want to end legal marriage entirely- that is fine- but not the question.

If you want to marry 3 men- or whether you want to marry your dog- not the question.
 
Civil Unions will protect their partners...

Marriage is between a man and a woman...

Pretty simple, but somehow we manage to complicate it...
Bovine Excrement!!!! Do not try to pretend that you want to protect gay people.

As an ally and supporter of gay and Lesbian people, I feel their pain when they are told that they should have been satisfied with civil unions as a compromise and that they are being “divisive” for having pushed for and won the right to marry.



Civil Unions are a Sham and a Failure - by Progressive Patriot 5. 7. 16

Long after Obergefell, I’m still hearing that gay people should have been satisfied with civil unions or domestic partnerships instead of pushing the issue of marriage. This is the familiar separate but equal argument reminiscent of the Jim Crow era. To begin with, the simple fact is that even if they are equal on paper, in reality they are not equal if for no other reason, because they are called by different names. “Marriage” is universally understood to mean a certain thing… a bond and a commitment between two people. “Civil Unions” carry no such instantly understood meaning. Now, I know that there are those who will say that marriage is understood to mean a man and a woman, but those people are living in a bygone era. Similarly, there are those who contend that marriage is a religious institution, but they too are living in a world that no longer exists, if it ever did. While there were times and places in history where it was-and for some still is -for the most part it is anything but religious. Therefore, neither heterosexuals nor the religious own “marriage”

I firmly believe that those who claim that they believe in equal rights for gays and lesbians but are against marriage in favor of civil unions are using that story line so as not to appear to be anti -equality while not really believing in equality at all. This may be conscious process that is deliberately deceptive, or a rationalization to make themselves feel good about how magnanimous they imagine themselves to be, but the motive, and the outcome is the same.



Words are powerful. Consider the word “Citizen” In this country anyone who is born a citizen -as well as those who are naturalized – are simply” citizens” They all have the same rights and responsibilities. But let’s say that we decided that naturalized citizen could not and should not be called “citizens” but rather they must be distinguished from those who were born into citizenship by calling them something like Permanent Legal Domestic Residents. Still the same rights and responsibilities but are they equal in reality? How many times will they have to explain what that means? For instance, will hospital staff understand when there is an issue with visitation or making a medical decision regarding a spouse?

Consider this:

Marriage is more perfect union: In gay marriage debate, separate but equal won't cut it

Civil unions are in no way a legitimate substitute for gay marriage.

They fail on principle, because - as America should have learned from racial segregation - separate is never equal.



And they fail in practice, because couples who enter into this second-class marriage alternative in New Jersey and elsewhere are constantly denied the rights and benefits that married couples take for granted.



Which brings up a third way in which they fail - verbally. Imagine getting down on one knee and saying, "Will you civilly unite with me?"



All kidding aside, semantics matters when it comes to labeling our most important and intimate relationships. Denying gay and lesbian couples the right - and the joy and the responsibility and the ordinariness - to use the M-word is a profound slap in the face.

"When you say, 'I'm married,' everyone knows who you are in relation to the primary person you're building your life with," says Freedom to Marry director Evan Wolfson. " 'Civil union' doesn't offer that clarity, that immediately understood respect." http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/marriage-perfect-union-gay-marriage-debate-separate-equal-won-cut-article-1.364017



 
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Can the far left drones here show anyone that was arrest for being in an illegal gay "marriage"?

Also you drones realize that the marriage license was born out of racism right?
Be that as it may, you still need a license to be legally married...
However, churches have been marrying folks long before the establishment of the US, and when the US passes to the dust bin of history, unincorporated churches will still marry folks that know the difference between what is "legal" and what is "lawful."

14th%2Bamendment%2Bcitizen%2Binc.jpg


We shall see how many of them marry gay folks, or indeed, how many gay folk even wish to get married at that point.

Well the marriage license in the US started to keep blacks from marrying whites, you would think with this racist past the far left would want to do away with it!
Yes I've heard that horseshit before. You far right reactionaries are living in the past. You may or may not have heard of the Loving V. Virginia ruling

The constitution of the United States enshrined slavery. Should we do away with the union even though we subsequently abolished slavery and ultimately enacted legislation on civil rights? How ******* stupid!
 
I'm saying that marriage exists as a lawful institution to create children. Therefor it doesn't exist for gay people. The nation state need not extend "legal" protection, but if it wants to, I don't really care.

That is all. It is that simple.

This has been understood by all people, in all cultures, throughout the planet, for millennia. It is common sense. People get married to start families and form communities. That is the purpose of marriage. To bond different families together.

The families of gay couples will not have grandchildren to unite them, and thus, there is no lawful reason to be bonded. I'm talking about "natural law," nothing to do with the nation state.

Where are you getting this crap from. Aside from you nonsensical theory about the purpose of marriage, gay couples do in fact have kids and grand kids by a variety of means , just like others. Is it possible that you do not know that??
 
This is not to say that homosexual folks don't have a proper role in society as teachers, writers, artists, politicians, military leaders, sports stars, entertainers, etc. Some of my mentors, idols and most intelligent men and women in the history of the planet have been gay, but they never made any pretenses about "starting families." Ever. All of them had much grander aspirations.
More idiocy
 
Heteros all have that nasty biological drive. LGBT's are freed from such a burdens as reproduction and child rearing, it enables them to give civilization their talents and gifts to the community at large. To hold them back with trivialities of families and all that other nonsense? That's a crime against our civilization and just silliness. Why would intelligent ones even care about such things?
Holy shit, you have some bizarre ideas about gay people!
 

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