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Nothing wrong with that..to each their own.
Leftists, this teen must be crushed!!!
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Nothing wrong with that..to each their own.
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Interesting. That would explain the EXTENSIVE deep dive into Chloe’s background, and the whole story they wrote trying to steer the narrative around her as unstable….which kinda actually strengthens the argument that maybe the hormone injections as a child and further reassignment surgery wasn’t a good idea….for someone having psychological problems.
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That's really the bottom line. I suppose I would have expected a medical doctor to refuse prescribing male hormone treatment and radical surgery to a teenager with some apparent emotional problems.
JoeB131
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Except we know unicorns don't exist but transgender people do.
I doubt anyone knew who Chloe Brockman was before she decided to become the poster child for the crazy religious right.
I honestly hope she gets the help she needs.
Apparently they did Apparently she whined so loud to them when the first doctor said no, they found her a new doctor. They also either gave up a sizeable part of their life savings or they got an insurance company to pay for all of this.
JoeB131
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Or not. Or they concluded all of her other problems were due to her Gender Dysphoria, and if they treated that, everything else will fall into place.
Wow, you don't know how managed medicine works in this country. It's pretty much the opposite. As long as you have insurance willing to pay, they'll go along with just about anything.
Meanwhile poor people can't get a doctor for real issues.
JoeB131
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1) It's not an experimental treatment. This is proven therapy that works in treating Gender Dysphoria in thousands of cases. I'm also sure she got Ritalin or a similar drug for her ADHD, but no one is calling that 'experimental".
2) According to her own lawyers, she did.
3) The question boils down to, was her gender dysphoria the cause of all her other problems, or was gender dysphoria just one of many problems she had.
No, but it sounds like you do.
Well, if she is misrepresenting her own story in public but saying something quite different in court, that's kind of the key thing.
Her legal argument is not that Hormone treatments and surgery are "wrong", it's that her doctor didn't follow established guidelines for gender transition therapy.
Does she have a case? Who knows. My guess it gets settled out of court with no one admitting fault.
No, simple google search. Just typed in Chloe Cole and found a story that went into depth as opposed to the other ten which just copied the same three paragraphs.
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You’re probably right, nobody knew her until now, but, we all know, had she made a video stating that she was going to have sex transition surgery, the left would be wooing her to no end, but we know for certain that they are chastising her for wanting to detransition, because…here we are.
Also, what about her detransition had anything to do with religion? Did she state she was doing it for religious reasons? Why do you keep trying to associate this with religion when just about everyone I see that is against it is saying so because think it’s bad for the welfare of the child, mentally and physically.
And the parents should have known better. My goodness, I don’t see what is so difficult about her being a child and people not giving in to someone who has a history of mental illness.
And when she went to the new doctor, he should have taken a look at her history, her age, and said “sorry, but I just cannot recommend this”.
JoeB131
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Some more sanity in this case.
www.yahoo.com
Cole is one of a handful of self-described detransitioners who have been flown around the country by anti-transgender activists to speak in favor of treatment bans. Their presentations aim to convince legislators that second thoughts are common among transgender patients, as though to suggest that gender-affirming treatment is a sham.
In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition.
"Gender-affirming care and treatment for gender dysphoria has been provided in the United States for decades," says Kellan E. Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a Washington research center and provider of health services to the LGBTQ community.
These treatments are administered according to professional protocols and guidelines of long standing, Baker says. The standards of care for children prior to the onset of puberty (which happens on average between the ages of 9 and 11) call for "social support," meaning "listening when a kid tells you who they are," he told me.
The onset of puberty "can be extraordinarily distressing for transgender children," Baker says. That's the period when irreversible physical changes emerge that can conflict with the young person's gender. "It's well known that this can cause depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and other challenges that can be life-threatening for young people who are going through the wrong puberty."
Drugs can be administered at that stage to delay or pause puberty. "They don't have irreversible physical effects," Baker says. "When you go off them, puberty resumes." Adolescents who suffer from gender dysphoria take puberty blockers "to give them time to work with clinicians, mental health professionals and their parents to make sure they are on the right track."
Cole's legal complaint bears all the shortcomings common to initial filings in cases dealing with controversial topics, plus a few all its own. (I reached out to Cole via her lawyers but received no response.)
Her narrative is peopled with physicians and psychologists heartlessly and casually breaching their professional responsibilities. She says Kaiser and its professionals "blindly ramrodded" her into gender-affirming treatment. Kaiser, she alleges, deprived her and her parents of the knowledge they needed to give informed consent to what she describes as hasty life-altering decisions.
Cole's legal complaint incorporates what seem to be misleading or inaccurate descriptions of developments in the gender dysphoria treatment field.
The complaint states that "negative results" from the use of puberty blockers and hormones "caused" the shutdowns of a transgender clinic at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1979 and Britain's Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service more recently.
Neither assertion is quite accurate.
The Johns Hopkins clinic was closed by the hospital's chief of psychiatry, Paul R. McHugh, on ideological and religious grounds; a devout Catholic, McHugh opposed gender reassignment treatments in principle and maintained, as he put it in a 2016 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, that "'sex change' is biologically impossible." Johns Hopkins shed McHugh's four-decades-old judgments and reestablished its gender identity clinic in 2017.
Tavistock has not been shut down, though it is slated for closure by Britain's National Health Service later this year. Its problems were not related to the medical issues with the treatments themselves, but rather with its being overwhemed, as Britain's lone treatment center, by a torrent of new gender dysphoria cases. The NHS plans to replace Tavistock with several regional centers to improve access for all such patients.
Column: A transgender patient's lawsuit against Kaiser is a front for the conservative war on LGBTQ rights
A transgender patient says Kaiser forced her to transition from male to female. Here's what that's really about.
Cole is one of a handful of self-described detransitioners who have been flown around the country by anti-transgender activists to speak in favor of treatment bans. Their presentations aim to convince legislators that second thoughts are common among transgender patients, as though to suggest that gender-affirming treatment is a sham.
In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition.
"Gender-affirming care and treatment for gender dysphoria has been provided in the United States for decades," says Kellan E. Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a Washington research center and provider of health services to the LGBTQ community.
These treatments are administered according to professional protocols and guidelines of long standing, Baker says. The standards of care for children prior to the onset of puberty (which happens on average between the ages of 9 and 11) call for "social support," meaning "listening when a kid tells you who they are," he told me.
The onset of puberty "can be extraordinarily distressing for transgender children," Baker says. That's the period when irreversible physical changes emerge that can conflict with the young person's gender. "It's well known that this can cause depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and other challenges that can be life-threatening for young people who are going through the wrong puberty."
Drugs can be administered at that stage to delay or pause puberty. "They don't have irreversible physical effects," Baker says. "When you go off them, puberty resumes." Adolescents who suffer from gender dysphoria take puberty blockers "to give them time to work with clinicians, mental health professionals and their parents to make sure they are on the right track."
Cole's legal complaint bears all the shortcomings common to initial filings in cases dealing with controversial topics, plus a few all its own. (I reached out to Cole via her lawyers but received no response.)
Her narrative is peopled with physicians and psychologists heartlessly and casually breaching their professional responsibilities. She says Kaiser and its professionals "blindly ramrodded" her into gender-affirming treatment. Kaiser, she alleges, deprived her and her parents of the knowledge they needed to give informed consent to what she describes as hasty life-altering decisions.
Cole's legal complaint incorporates what seem to be misleading or inaccurate descriptions of developments in the gender dysphoria treatment field.
The complaint states that "negative results" from the use of puberty blockers and hormones "caused" the shutdowns of a transgender clinic at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1979 and Britain's Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service more recently.
Neither assertion is quite accurate.
The Johns Hopkins clinic was closed by the hospital's chief of psychiatry, Paul R. McHugh, on ideological and religious grounds; a devout Catholic, McHugh opposed gender reassignment treatments in principle and maintained, as he put it in a 2016 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, that "'sex change' is biologically impossible." Johns Hopkins shed McHugh's four-decades-old judgments and reestablished its gender identity clinic in 2017.
Tavistock has not been shut down, though it is slated for closure by Britain's National Health Service later this year. Its problems were not related to the medical issues with the treatments themselves, but rather with its being overwhemed, as Britain's lone treatment center, by a torrent of new gender dysphoria cases. The NHS plans to replace Tavistock with several regional centers to improve access for all such patients.
JoeB131
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Would they though? As stated above, 99% of transitioners are fine with their treatments... and most of them aren't celebrities other than Jazz and Caitlyn Jenner.
Funny, then why are the God-botherers the ones promoting her. You see, here's the thing. We can't get Kaiser's side of the story because of HIPAA. So she can make it sound like she woke up in a bathtub full of ice with her titties missing and Kaiser can't say anything about it until they get to court.
As someone who spent a chunk of his time in hospitals getting largely unnecessary treatments as a child, I cant' blame the parents. They do what the doctors tell them. The doctors acted on information Brockman was giving them.
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Did they say that all her problems were from her dysphoria? Or did she have those problems before? Sounds like they go back to at least 2012.
So, you think they said “hmm, she’s having severe mental difficulties, so we think it would be a good idea to upend her entire hormonal development and start administering drugs that will have an affect on her natural body development as well as mental development”?
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There are no long term studies of ''gender dysphoria" so yes, this is experimental drug dosing as well as mutiluating surgeries that are irreversible. You can't reconcile it but the left is aggressively grooming children. The fact is, it is impossible to change one's gender. leftists being unable to define ''what a man or woman is'' doesn't make it any less obvious for me.
It seems Chloe Cole is rattling the groomers because she is shining the glaring spotlight of greed and a diseased ideology upon the left.
From her own comments:
''I obsessed over becoming a boy. ... The mental health professionals did not try to dissuade me of this delusional belief. I was fast-tracked into medical transition after I was diagnosed with dysphoria. ... This wasn’t a misdiagnosis, it was mistreatment.
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Some more sanity?Some more sanity in this case.
Column: A transgender patient's lawsuit against Kaiser is a front for the conservative war on LGBTQ rights
A transgender patient says Kaiser forced her to transition from male to female. Here's what that's really about.
Cole is one of a handful of self-described detransitioners who have been flown around the country by anti-transgender activists to speak in favor of treatment bans. Their presentations aim to convince legislators that second thoughts are common among transgender patients, as though to suggest that gender-affirming treatment is a sham.
In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition.
"Gender-affirming care and treatment for gender dysphoria has been provided in the United States for decades," says Kellan E. Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a Washington research center and provider of health services to the LGBTQ community.
These treatments are administered according to professional protocols and guidelines of long standing, Baker says. The standards of care for children prior to the onset of puberty (which happens on average between the ages of 9 and 11) call for "social support," meaning "listening when a kid tells you who they are," he told me.
The onset of puberty "can be extraordinarily distressing for transgender children," Baker says. That's the period when irreversible physical changes emerge that can conflict with the young person's gender. "It's well known that this can cause depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and other challenges that can be life-threatening for young people who are going through the wrong puberty."
Drugs can be administered at that stage to delay or pause puberty. "They don't have irreversible physical effects," Baker says. "When you go off them, puberty resumes." Adolescents who suffer from gender dysphoria take puberty blockers "to give them time to work with clinicians, mental health professionals and their parents to make sure they are on the right track."
Cole's legal complaint bears all the shortcomings common to initial filings in cases dealing with controversial topics, plus a few all its own. (I reached out to Cole via her lawyers but received no response.)
Her narrative is peopled with physicians and psychologists heartlessly and casually breaching their professional responsibilities. She says Kaiser and its professionals "blindly ramrodded" her into gender-affirming treatment. Kaiser, she alleges, deprived her and her parents of the knowledge they needed to give informed consent to what she describes as hasty life-altering decisions.
Cole's legal complaint incorporates what seem to be misleading or inaccurate descriptions of developments in the gender dysphoria treatment field.
The complaint states that "negative results" from the use of puberty blockers and hormones "caused" the shutdowns of a transgender clinic at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1979 and Britain's Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service more recently.
Neither assertion is quite accurate.
The Johns Hopkins clinic was closed by the hospital's chief of psychiatry, Paul R. McHugh, on ideological and religious grounds; a devout Catholic, McHugh opposed gender reassignment treatments in principle and maintained, as he put it in a 2016 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, that "'sex change' is biologically impossible." Johns Hopkins shed McHugh's four-decades-old judgments and reestablished its gender identity clinic in 2017.
Tavistock has not been shut down, though it is slated for closure by Britain's National Health Service later this year. Its problems were not related to the medical issues with the treatments themselves, but rather with its being overwhemed, as Britain's lone treatment center, by a torrent of new gender dysphoria cases. The NHS plans to replace Tavistock with several regional centers to improve access for all such patients.
You define sanity as a function of doping pre-teen girls with testosterone, among other drugs, and performing irreversible, mutilating surgeries.
That's really just a function of someone living in an alternate reality.
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Some more sanity in this case.
Column: A transgender patient's lawsuit against Kaiser is a front for the conservative war on LGBTQ rights
A transgender patient says Kaiser forced her to transition from male to female. Here's what that's really about.
Cole is one of a handful of self-described detransitioners who have been flown around the country by anti-transgender activists to speak in favor of treatment bans. Their presentations aim to convince legislators that second thoughts are common among transgender patients, as though to suggest that gender-affirming treatment is a sham.
In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition.
"Gender-affirming care and treatment for gender dysphoria has been provided in the United States for decades," says Kellan E. Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a Washington research center and provider of health services to the LGBTQ community.
These treatments are administered according to professional protocols and guidelines of long standing, Baker says. The standards of care for children prior to the onset of puberty (which happens on average between the ages of 9 and 11) call for "social support," meaning "listening when a kid tells you who they are," he told me.
The onset of puberty "can be extraordinarily distressing for transgender children," Baker says. That's the period when irreversible physical changes emerge that can conflict with the young person's gender. "It's well known that this can cause depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and other challenges that can be life-threatening for young people who are going through the wrong puberty."
Drugs can be administered at that stage to delay or pause puberty. "They don't have irreversible physical effects," Baker says. "When you go off them, puberty resumes." Adolescents who suffer from gender dysphoria take puberty blockers "to give them time to work with clinicians, mental health professionals and their parents to make sure they are on the right track."
Cole's legal complaint bears all the shortcomings common to initial filings in cases dealing with controversial topics, plus a few all its own. (I reached out to Cole via her lawyers but received no response.)
Her narrative is peopled with physicians and psychologists heartlessly and casually breaching their professional responsibilities. She says Kaiser and its professionals "blindly ramrodded" her into gender-affirming treatment. Kaiser, she alleges, deprived her and her parents of the knowledge they needed to give informed consent to what she describes as hasty life-altering decisions.
Cole's legal complaint incorporates what seem to be misleading or inaccurate descriptions of developments in the gender dysphoria treatment field.
The complaint states that "negative results" from the use of puberty blockers and hormones "caused" the shutdowns of a transgender clinic at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1979 and Britain's Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service more recently.
Neither assertion is quite accurate.
The Johns Hopkins clinic was closed by the hospital's chief of psychiatry, Paul R. McHugh, on ideological and religious grounds; a devout Catholic, McHugh opposed gender reassignment treatments in principle and maintained, as he put it in a 2016 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, that "'sex change' is biologically impossible." Johns Hopkins shed McHugh's four-decades-old judgments and reestablished its gender identity clinic in 2017.
Tavistock has not been shut down, though it is slated for closure by Britain's National Health Service later this year. Its problems were not related to the medical issues with the treatments themselves, but rather with its being overwhemed, as Britain's lone treatment center, by a torrent of new gender dysphoria cases. The NHS plans to replace Tavistock with several regional centers to improve access for all such patients.
Still blaming the victims Joe?
How very naughty of you naughty boi
Bob Blaylock
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People who are girls, but are, in any rational sense, really boys, do not exist, any more than unicorns do.
It's hard science. Boy are not girls, and girls are not boys.
Bob Blaylock
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It's not about religion, at all.
It's about science. It's about biology.
And it's about abusive malpractice aimed at vulnerable, mentally-ill patients.
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Some more sanity in this case.
Column: A transgender patient's lawsuit against Kaiser is a front for the conservative war on LGBTQ rights
A transgender patient says Kaiser forced her to transition from male to female. Here's what that's really about.
Cole is one of a handful of self-described detransitioners who have been flown around the country by anti-transgender activists to speak in favor of treatment bans. Their presentations aim to convince legislators that second thoughts are common among transgender patients, as though to suggest that gender-affirming treatment is a sham.
In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition.
"Gender-affirming care and treatment for gender dysphoria has been provided in the United States for decades," says Kellan E. Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a Washington research center and provider of health services to the LGBTQ community.
These treatments are administered according to professional protocols and guidelines of long standing, Baker says. The standards of care for children prior to the onset of puberty (which happens on average between the ages of 9 and 11) call for "social support," meaning "listening when a kid tells you who they are," he told me.
The onset of puberty "can be extraordinarily distressing for transgender children," Baker says. That's the period when irreversible physical changes emerge that can conflict with the young person's gender. "It's well known that this can cause depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and other challenges that can be life-threatening for young people who are going through the wrong puberty."
Drugs can be administered at that stage to delay or pause puberty. "They don't have irreversible physical effects," Baker says. "When you go off them, puberty resumes." Adolescents who suffer from gender dysphoria take puberty blockers "to give them time to work with clinicians, mental health professionals and their parents to make sure they are on the right track."
Cole's legal complaint bears all the shortcomings common to initial filings in cases dealing with controversial topics, plus a few all its own. (I reached out to Cole via her lawyers but received no response.)
Her narrative is peopled with physicians and psychologists heartlessly and casually breaching their professional responsibilities. She says Kaiser and its professionals "blindly ramrodded" her into gender-affirming treatment. Kaiser, she alleges, deprived her and her parents of the knowledge they needed to give informed consent to what she describes as hasty life-altering decisions.
Cole's legal complaint incorporates what seem to be misleading or inaccurate descriptions of developments in the gender dysphoria treatment field.
The complaint states that "negative results" from the use of puberty blockers and hormones "caused" the shutdowns of a transgender clinic at Johns Hopkins Hospital in 1979 and Britain's Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service more recently.
Neither assertion is quite accurate.
The Johns Hopkins clinic was closed by the hospital's chief of psychiatry, Paul R. McHugh, on ideological and religious grounds; a devout Catholic, McHugh opposed gender reassignment treatments in principle and maintained, as he put it in a 2016 Wall Street Journal opinion piece, that "'sex change' is biologically impossible." Johns Hopkins shed McHugh's four-decades-old judgments and reestablished its gender identity clinic in 2017.
Tavistock has not been shut down, though it is slated for closure by Britain's National Health Service later this year. Its problems were not related to the medical issues with the treatments themselves, but rather with its being overwhemed, as Britain's lone treatment center, by a torrent of new gender dysphoria cases. The NHS plans to replace Tavistock with several regional centers to improve access for all such patients.
In your article about the 1% to 2% regretting their transitions, I’m wondering how many of them were adults and how many were children. I’m also curious of how many children under the age of say…16 are receiving sex change hormone therapy.
You see, those articles do a good job of mixing the two together and just say “1-2% of children and adults regret…”.
I’m going to say that more adults wouldn’t have regrets, and more young children would have regrets, and would stop the transition care. Unfortunately, trying to search for specifics like that always yields the same articles and nothing to do with the search parameters.
Also, they tend to mash “gender affirming care” as a catch all phrase, ranging from just reassuring counseling all the way up to hormone therapy and even surgery. So when they say x number of people do not regret their gender affirming care, how is that broken down? How many of those are just counseling patients and how many are surgery patients?
And, this article raises some questions for me:
Number of transgender children seeking treatment surges in U.S.
About 42,000 U.S. children ages 6 to 17 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria in 2021, nearly triple the number in 2017, a unique data analysis for Reuters found.
First, notice they say the number of gender dysphoria claims has risen since 2017, most notably is they are using a data sample of children between 6 and 17 years old…. 6??? That’s a bit young.
Next, we see the 100% jump between 2020 and 2021…what’s the cause for that? How do you have a doubling of gender dysphoria cases in a single year? I read another article that says there are about 300,000 kids now that are claiming gender dysphoria.
Next, we see that again, they are administering puberty blockers that is on the rise for children between 6 and 17…again…6?? Too young..
Then they go on to state the number of 6-17 year olds receiving hormone therapy….6?????? too young….
Then they talk about top surgery for the 13-17 year old range. Again, I think 13 is just too young to have that kind of surgery, because they are still growing, still developing, and their minds aren’t fully developed and mature yet.
Now, the question that really needs answering is, there are articles that claim that x% of children who start gender affirming care continue into adulthood. Ok, so, of those, how many received puberty blockers at a young age, which stopped the development of certain areas of their brain and body, and while on them for a period of time, without normal sexual development, they then began hormone treatment, which further altered their mind and body. After years of inhibited sexual development, they continued with that.
Now compare those to perhaps some who didn’t receive all of those mind and body altering treatments, how many would have eventually grown out of it? Sometime it’s just a phase…sometimes they are just gay…doesn’t always mean they really think they are the opposite sex. In their confusing young age, with a possible attraction to kids of the same sex, they may have seen something on tv or the internet about transgenderism and that triggered them to think “maybe that’s what I am!”.
Doesn’t mean they really think they are trans, they are just confused and their body will eventually sort it out. If they are still adamant about it when they get to 18, then they can transition, but to do so at 12 and 13 years old or to start them at 6 years old, is just too young. Still too many unknowns.
I do recognize, however, that catching these things at an early age can have drastic changes for them later on in life…in other words, blocking certain sexual development functions at a young age can help for better transition later on, I’m aware that science says that. My issue is starting young children, who don’t know any better, on mind and body altering drugs, especially as this trend seems to be increasing.
JoeB131
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Again, we don't know what happened, because we are only getting Brockman's side of the story, in her rambling legal brief, full of inaccurcies. We don't have the side of her doctors, because they can't reveal what happened thanks to HIPAA.
They've been doing these kinds of therapies since the 1950's. We have plenty of data.
But at least you are being honest and admitting this is about your opposition to transgenderism, and not about any principle of medical misconduct.
There are no groomers.
Her parents were in on the ride every step of the way, as was she.
Sanity is that transgenderism/gender dysphoria is a real thing, and requires real treatment.
You wouldn't tell a clinically depressed person to "Cheer up".
You wouldn't tell an anorexic to "have a sandwich".
But you all think telling a transgender person to Man Up (Or Lady UP) is a solid plan.
JoeB131
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Wow, you are absolutely positive, but you can't find any evidence!
That's an easy one. People are more aware of it now.
For instance, up until 1960, it was common practice in the schools to force left handed kids to write with their right hand. Then people realized that was wrong, and trained kids to use their appropriate hand. And the number of left handed people jumped from 2% to 12%.
Similarly, the number of kids diagnosed with Autism has jumped in recent decades. Not because there is more autism, just that people are better at recognizing it now.
That's nice that you think that. If you had a medical degree, I'd even take your opinion seriously.
I'm all for refining the parameters for care... it's just the transphobes like you and Mormon Bob don't get a say.
JoeB131
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Well, we know you need to believe that, Mormon Bob. I'd be more impressed with your view of reality if you didn't think the Planet Kolob was a real thing.
Nope, it's about therapy that has been practiced for years and has proven benefits.
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Sure Joe, the rapist legal team make these same arguments when defending their clients. It’s really disgusting that you take that same tact.
But Joe doesn’t care much for the fairer sex. And that’s stunningly obvious.
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