Leftists: Please explain to me how democracy is in jeopardy

[hadit]

And they let idiots like you teach our children.

Hillary Clinton had 3 million more votes than trump. Stacy Abrams lost by 55,000 after Kemp illegally purged over 300,000 people from the rolls. So when you try making comparisons do so using all the facts. Because none of them lost by 7 million votes and still whines about how they won.

Excuses, nothing but excuses.

 

[badger2]

If it thinks it will emerge in eternity unscathed, then others become dangerously susceptible to the fairy tales of religion. Suggested reading is Seidel, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is Un-American.

Christian Soldiers Gone 'Nannas

https://twitter.com/caitoz

 

[whutTHEYsay]

If you want to get rid of the college,

NFBW: You are avoiding my point, the popular vote runs in parallel with electoral college.

Is it more faur and accurate than your emo self-righteous faith based method for yuh and I to agree to count the actual popular vote for president in the past four elections to accurately determine if the actually majority will of the people is your cockamamie fear of Commies under your bed or is it the majority of Americans who want progress in America to be made: safe gun laws, and a woman’s right to make her own health and economic well being decision without government intrusion and coercion. END2211070852

 

[hadit]

NFBW: You are avoiding my point, the popular vote runs in parallel with electoral college.

Is it more faur and accurate than your emo self-righteous faith based method for yuh and I to agree to count the actual popular vote for president in the past four elections to accurately determine if the actually majority will of the people is your cockamamie fear of Commies under your bed or is it the majority of Americans who want progress in America to be made: safe gun laws, and a woman’s right to make her own health and economic well being decision without government intrusion and coercion. END2211070852

And by pushing control of those issues down to the state level, they are now closer to the people than if they were dictated from Washington. Think about it, why should California voters dictate anything to Alabama voters?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes, there was an insurrection. But it failed miserably.

If lying to yourself makes you feel better - carry on.

If 30,000 armed right-wing extremists wanted to do all the things the left claims they wanted to to that day, there would have been no stopping them.

Pelosi, Schumer, AOC - maybe Pence - and scores, maybe hundreds of others, would all be dead.
At some point, maybe the National Guard shows up. A battle ensues. Hundreds, maybe thousands die.

-That's- what happens in an insurrection.

Of the 30,000 people there that day, 29,900 of them went home that, or the next, day.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NFBW: You Ray From Cleveland have unwittingly answered the question asked on this thread from another thread you started last May.

Because the white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic and Protestant political religious operatives, unfortunately added during Trump’s presidency, three more Catholic justices to the Supreme Court making the Catholic view canonized into the Constitution that constitutional personhood rights begins at conception, not birth, is a threat to not only democracy but to the concept of religious freedom in the Constitution itself.

The reality that a six Catholic majority on the Supreme Court will push legislation so that the religious white Evangelical quarter of the population minority can rule over the entire diversified majority is a threat to our democracy because as you said Ray From Cleveland our country was never designed to work that way.

Ray From Cleveland RFC220505-#1 “I can't see the court ruling that abortion be exclusively a states right. What part of the Constitution would allow them to rule that way?”​

NFBW: I agree with you 111 percent Ray From Cleveland that the Dobbs decision is deplorably unconstitutional and therefore absolutely the most unprecedented and irrational decision in Supreme Court history.

And take a look at what your abortion thread attracted;

DigitalDrifter 220505-#5 “I'm hopeful that with what's happening here with Roe, more Americans will be ready to divide the country into at least two countries. IMHO, the sooner we make it official, the more likely we will not be finding ourselves in the middle of a genuine civil catastrophe that will result in a good deal of Americans killed​

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You really are lost, ain't cha? Religion played nothing into the Roe decision. It was a bad ruling from the 70s. The US Constitution does not guarantee a right to an abortion. It's not in there, it was never discussed by authors of the document, it was all made up. That's all the court ruled on; it's not a constitutional protection. It has nothing to do with religion, personal feelings or morals. Abortion is not (and never was) protected by the US Constitution.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

white evangelical Christian pro-life Catholic

There is no such thing...

BullShit diversion from you as usual.

GFY with your diversions and contempt for reality and rationality.

evangelical​

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evan·gel·i·cal | \ ˌē-ˌvan-ˈje-li-kəl , ˌe-vən- \
variants: or less commonly evangelic \ ˌē-ˌvan-ˈje-lik , ˌe-vən- \

Definition of evangelical​

(Entry 1 of 2)
1: of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels
2: PROTESTANT
3: emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with ritual
4acapitalized : of or relating to the Evangelical Church in Germany
boften capitalized : of, adhering to, or marked by fundamentalism : FUNDAMENTALIST
coften capitalized : LOW CHURCH
5: marked by militant or crusading zeal : EVANGELISTICthe evangelical ardor of the movement's leaders— Amos Vogel

evangelical
noun, often capitalized
Definition of evangelical (Entry 2 of 2)
: one holding evangelical principles or belonging to an evangelical party or church

What is evangelical Catholicism? What is an evangelical Catholic? | GotQuestions.org

What is evangelical Catholicism? What is an evangelical Catholic? Is evangelical Catholicism evangelical in beliefs, or evangelical in practice?

www.gotquestions.org

An evangelical Catholic is, quite simply, a Catholic who is evangelical. That is, an evangelical Catholic is a member of the Roman Catholic Church who is loyal to the pope, faithful to Catholic doctrine, observant of the sacraments, and possessing a desire to spread Catholicism into new areas.

George Weigel, author of Evangelical Catholicism: Deep Reform in the 21st-Century Church, gives a more detailed definition: “An evangelical Catholic is a Catholic who has absorbed the deep reform of the Church that was begun in the late 19th century under Pope Leo XIII, a reform that was accelerated at the Second Vatican Council (1962–65) and given its authoritative interpretation for the 21st century by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Evangelical Catholics understand themselves as members of a communion of disciples, formed by friendship with Jesus, by Word, and by sacrament, for the fulfillment of the Great Commission” (“Pope Francis Is an Evangelical Catholic, Catholic Theologian Says,” an interview with George Weigel in the Christian Post by Napp Nazworth, Pope Francis Is an Evangelical Catholic, Catholic Theologian Says, accessed June 6, 2016).

Many people see the word evangelical and assume that evangelical Catholicism represents a doctrinal shift that brings Catholic creeds into closer alignment with the catechisms of evangelical Protestantism. But it’s a false assumption. As Weigel writes, “Evangelical Catholicism is not a substitute for RomanCatholicism” (Evangelical Catholicism: Deep Reform in the 21st-Century Church, George Weigel, Basic Books, 2013, emphasis his). Evangelical Catholics still equate oral tradition with the Bible, still obey the magisterium, and still mix works with grace in seeking salvation. What makes them “evangelical” is their goal of re-packaging the Catholic faith and presenting it in a modern context, taking into account the world’s changing conditions. Ecumenism is a major priority for evangelical Catholics.

A recent pope promoted evangelical Catholicism as a way to open people up “to a full sense of human existence.” Pope John Paul II wrote, “Great riches are waiting to be discovered through an intensification of the missionary effort of each of the lay faithful. Such an individual form of apostolate can contribute greatly to a more extensive spreading of the Gospel” (Christifideles Laici, 28).

The Vatican II Council did not change Catholic doctrine. Evangelical Catholicism is still Catholicism. The serious doctrinal disagreements between Catholics and biblical Christians remain.

 

[struth]

BullShit diversion from you as usual.

GFY with your diversions and contempt for reality and rationality.

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evan·gel·i·cal | \ ˌē-ˌvan-ˈje-li-kəl , ˌe-vən- \
variants: or less commonly evangelic \ ˌē-ˌvan-ˈje-lik , ˌe-vən- \

Definition of evangelical​

(Entry 1 of 2)
1: of, relating to, or being in agreement with the Christian gospel especially as it is presented in the four Gospels
2: PROTESTANT
3: emphasizing salvation by faith in the atoning death of Jesus Christ through personal conversion, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of preaching as contrasted with ritual
4acapitalized : of or relating to the Evangelical Church in Germany
boften capitalized : of, adhering to, or marked by fundamentalism : FUNDAMENTALIST
coften capitalized : LOW CHURCH
5: marked by militant or crusading zeal : EVANGELISTICthe evangelical ardor of the movement's leaders— Amos Vogel

evangelical
noun, often capitalized
Definition of evangelical (Entry 2 of 2)
: one holding evangelical principles or belonging to an evangelical party or church

What is evangelical Catholicism? What is an evangelical Catholic? | GotQuestions.org

What is evangelical Catholicism? What is an evangelical Catholic? Is evangelical Catholicism evangelical in beliefs, or evangelical in practice?

www.gotquestions.org

An evangelical Catholic is, quite simply, a Catholic who is evangelical. That is, an evangelical Catholic is a member of the Roman Catholic Church who is loyal to the pope, faithful to Catholic doctrine, observant of the sacraments, and possessing a desire to spread Catholicism into new areas.

George Weigel, author of Evangelical Catholicism: Deep Reform in the 21st-Century Church, gives a more detailed definition: “An evangelical Catholic is a Catholic who has absorbed the deep reform of the Church that was begun in the late 19th century under Pope Leo XIII, a reform that was accelerated at the Second Vatican Council (1962–65) and given its authoritative interpretation for the 21st century by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Evangelical Catholics understand themselves as members of a communion of disciples, formed by friendship with Jesus, by Word, and by sacrament, for the fulfillment of the Great Commission” (“Pope Francis Is an Evangelical Catholic, Catholic Theologian Says,” an interview with George Weigel in the Christian Post by Napp Nazworth, Pope Francis Is an Evangelical Catholic, Catholic Theologian Says, accessed June 6, 2016).

Many people see the word evangelical and assume that evangelical Catholicism represents a doctrinal shift that brings Catholic creeds into closer alignment with the catechisms of evangelical Protestantism. But it’s a false assumption. As Weigel writes, “Evangelical Catholicism is not a substitute for RomanCatholicism” (Evangelical Catholicism: Deep Reform in the 21st-Century Church, George Weigel, Basic Books, 2013, emphasis his). Evangelical Catholics still equate oral tradition with the Bible, still obey the magisterium, and still mix works with grace in seeking salvation. What makes them “evangelical” is their goal of re-packaging the Catholic faith and presenting it in a modern context, taking into account the world’s changing conditions. Ecumenism is a major priority for evangelical Catholics.

A recent pope promoted evangelical Catholicism as a way to open people up “to a full sense of human existence.” Pope John Paul II wrote, “Great riches are waiting to be discovered through an intensification of the missionary effort of each of the lay faithful. Such an individual form of apostolate can contribute greatly to a more extensive spreading of the Gospel” (Christifideles Laici, 28).

The Vatican II Council did not change Catholic doctrine. Evangelical Catholicism is still Catholicism. The serious doctrinal disagreements between Catholics and biblical Christians remain.

Evangeliticalism is a Protestant thing...not Catholic.

Your link, your quote....defination...states that.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's the new catch phrase of the left: Our democracy is in danger if you vote Republican. Now, I've asked leftists on USMB how is democracy threatened if we vote Republican, and not one can give me a coherent answer or in most cases, any answer at all. Like robots, just repeat what you are told to repeat. Since I never got any answer, I'm creating a topic on it to see if somebody, anybody on the left can explain this threat to me.

On the right there was 1/6, a one day event that lasted several hours but resulted in business carried out as usual. No Republican representative supported it. No right-wing radio or television host supported it. And it happened nearly two years ago.

On the left you had the FBI engage in assisting the Democrat party by obtaining warrants with false applications to spy on a political foe, pressuring major social media companies to remove any posts about Hunter Biden's laptop scandal which resulted in Biden's win, two phony impeachments, attacking pro-life people protesting abortion clinics and arresting them, and more recently a President asking an oil producing nation to withhold their announcement they intend to cut oil production to help his party in a midterm election; something they based their first phony impeachment on President Trump for even though he never did any such thing.

So which party is the actual threat to democracy here?

Well, let’s see…

Voting for Trump itself was a threat to democracy.

Propagating election lies – lies about ‘fraud,’ ‘cheating,’ and elections being ‘stolen.’

Defending the 1/6 rightwing terrorists; downplaying, minimizing, and attempting to mitigate the 1/6 rightwing terrorist attack.

Supporting and voting for Republican officeholders and candidates who engage in gerrymandering, who oppose voting by mail and early voting; Republican candidates and officeholders who shutdown voting venues in minority communities making it more difficult for voters of color to vote.

Supporting and voting for Republican election officials who will reject or invalidate ballots in bad faith because they don’t like the outcome of an election, falsely claiming ‘fraud’ or ‘cheating.’

Supporting voter intimidation, perceiving Democrats as ‘the enemy.’

Opposition to consensus and compromise.

Indeed, Republicans, conservatives, and others on the right are engaged in an ongoing campaign to spread misinformation, conspiracy theories, and lies intended to hobble the political process and undermine our democratic institutions.

 

[M14 Shooter]

NFBW: You are avoiding my point, the popular vote runs in parallel with electoral college.

The popular vote and the electoral college, usually, correlate to some degree.
The electoral college is not a function of the popular vote, so any correlation or lack thereof, is irrelevant.

Is it more faur and accurate than your emo self-righteous faith based method for yuh and I to agree to count the actual popular vote for president in the past four elections to accurately determine if the actually majority will of the people...

The people do not elect he President; as such the "will of the people" as expressed by a majority on the popular vote is meaningless.

...the majority of Americans who want progress in America to be made: safe gun laws,

None of the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek to lay on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by the law abiding will make anyone safer; even if the majority of the people want said restrictions, the Constitution protects the right from them.

and a woman’s right to make her own health and economic well being decision without government intrusion and coercion

The limits of a woman right to chose - and there have -always- been limits on that right - is to be determined by the states through the Democratic process.
The federal government has no authority here.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

16 pages and leftists failed to provide an adequate explanation. Shocking.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You really are lost, ain't cha? Religion played nothing into the Roe decision. It was a bad ruling from the 70s.

NFBW: Is the anti-abortion movement driven by rabid secular constitutional purists or by religious churched operatives who are convinced that God created America through them and mostly for them but have to admit that God forgot to write the Constitution giving full human rights to fertilized eggs attached to the uterus if women who Gid did not intend to own property and have the right to vote?

END2211070918

 

[hadit]

16 pages and leftists failed to provide an adequate explanation. Shocking.

I have observed and I keep saying that, to a democrat, democracy means voters have a choice of which democrat to elect. Basically, they have staked out the position that voting for anyone other than a democrat is a threat to democracy. Oddly enough, they would rather vote for someone who openly campaigns against the economic freedoms we have built into our nation (Bernie) than for someone who wants to preserve them (conservative Republicans).

 

[M14 Shooter]

NFBW: Is the anti-abortion movement driven by rabid secular constitutional purists...

If true: So?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I have observed and I keep saying that, to a democrat, democracy means voters have a choice of which democrat to elect. Basically, they have staked out the position that voting for anyone other than a democrat is a threat to democracy.

That's -exactly- what they mean.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

irrelevant

AHHHHH The right wing irrationalist’s anti-reason favorite argument.

 

[iceberg]

Everything you say here is a lie. And with almost 300 election deniers running for office, if you can't see the threat to democracy it's because you don't want to.

Amd if you can't talk to that point without attacks, it's because you don't want to.

Or it's all a lie.

 

[iceberg]

No, but when he sent out that disparaging tweet about Mike Pence in the middle of the chaos, it was throwing gas on the fire.

Even members of his own staff describe being disgusted by his actions.


Go to 8:30.



Several members of his staff, even members of his cabinet, resigned over his actions that day.

The Trump Administration Officials Who Resigned Over Capitol Violence

Several officials announced that they were stepping down after a mob of the president’s supporters disrupted the process of certifying the election results on Wednesday.

www.nytimes.com

And yet you refuse to see anything wrong with what he did. Facts are not on your side. You’re on the wrong side of history with this one.

Again, more huge drama statements but zero substance.

 

[iceberg]

Probably.

And if they don’t win, you guys will throw another hissy fit temper tantrum.

Should we point out the lefts tantrums?

 

[struth]

NFBW: Is the anti-abortion movement driven by rabid secular constitutional purists or by religious churched operatives who are convinced that God created America through them and mostly for them but have to admit that God forgot to write the Constitution giving full human rights to fertilized eggs attached to the uterus if women who Gid did not intend to own property and have the right to vote?

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Your division and hate speech, not with standing...you make zero sense