jc456
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what is your evidence to make such a statement?
make me a believer with you? why do you all always have so much trouble producing facts to support your statements?
Leftist politicians are still trying to push the MMGW Hoax. It's a political scam to redistribute wealth.
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make me a believer with you? why do you all always have so much trouble producing facts to support your statements?
I'm not a believer. Just frustrated that we can't discuss it intelligently, without the idiocy of partisans jackasses like you muddying up the works.
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cause I ask for evidence I'm muddying it up? wow. Just curious, something made you post the statement that it probably exists, based off what?
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Here's our first confessed sucker!!!!
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"China emits almost a third of all man-made greenhouse gases — more than the United States, Europe and Japan combined."
China Is Burning More Coal, a Growing Climate Challenge (Published 2022)
The country’s emissions of greenhouse gases rose last year at the fastest pace in a decade. Beijing is looking for alternatives.
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everyone in the world knows what about what?
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Well then, we need to give them US tax dollars to become a developed nation."China emits almost a third of all man-made greenhouse gases — more than the United States, Europe and Japan combined."
China Is Burning More Coal, a Growing Climate Challenge (Published 2022)
The country’s emissions of greenhouse gases rose last year at the fastest pace in a decade. Beijing is looking for alternatives.www.nytimes.com
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I thought demofks were against nation building?
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THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE CLIMATE. IT IS ABOUT THE BIGGEST POLITICAL SCAM IN HISTORY.
In short, our liberal politicians in the US and around the world are running the biggest scam in history in order to bankrupt the US and transfer wealth to "developing" countries like China.
That's right, the biggest polluter on the planet by far, China, qualifies for the latest handout Biden announced this week. Please tell me the science behind that.
Please look at the MMGW Cult track record:
4 Catastrophic Climate Predictions That Never Came True
Current climate predictions can be terrifying if you don't know about the previous dire climate claims that amounted to nothing.
If you’re under 50, there’s a good chance you’re expecting to see climate change create chaos and death in your lifetime. Scientists and pundits seem so certain we’re headed for global collapse and their predictions can be terrifying—especially if you’re young enough not to remember the last dozen times they predicted imminent collapse and were wrong. In each case, claims of impending environmental disaster were backed by allegedly irrefutable data and policymakers were encouraged to act before it was too late.
Global Cooling
The Prediction: Top climate specialists and environmental activists predicted that “global cooling trends” observed between WWII and 1970 would result in a world “eleven degrees colder in the year 2000 ... about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” Bitter winters and floods from “delayed typhoons” would trigger massive drops in food production, followed by widespread famine.
The Prophecies:
What Actually Happened: Global cooling trends didn’t continue unabated, and temperatures stabilized. Within a few years, the same alarmists were predicting a life-threatening rise in temperatures, presaging many of the same dire effects on plant and animal life. Those new predictions were continually revised as their “near certainty” collided with the truth year after year, but prophets seem unchastened by their abysmal historical accuracy. Newsweek issued a correction to the 1975 article in 2006.
- Newsweek Magazine’s "The Cooling World" Peter Gwynne April 28, 1975
- Time Magazine’s “A New Ice Age?” April 28, 1974
- BBC’s Nigel Calder International Wildlife magazine, 1975
- Betty Friedan in Harper’s magazine, 1958
- University of California at Davis professor Kenneth Watt, Earth Day 1974
The Great Die-Off
The Prediction: More women having babies in the developing world was expected to exceed the “carrying capacity” of the earth, experts were certain. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supply we make,” Ehrlich said. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years [1970-1980].” Ehrlich predicted that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.” This would lead to “an utter breakdown of the capacity of the planet to support humanity.”
The Prophecies:
- Paul Erlich, The Progressive, Earth Day 1970
- The Population Bomb, 1968 Bestseller
What Actually Happened: Motivated by the urgent call for population control and fears of famine, India and China performed millions of forced abortions and sterilizations. But the number of people at risk of starvation dropped from 25 percent to 10 percent globally as genetically modified seeds and advances in irrigation improved crop yields. Far from the Great Die-Off, the global population nearly doubled while agricultural capacity soared and rates of starvation plummeted. Ehrlich’s star has continued to rise, though his signature predictions were nonsense, and now holds an endowed chair in Population Studies at Stanford. The millions scapegoated by his fear-mongering have not fared as well.
Pollution Particle Clouds
The Prediction: Ecologists and environmentalists claimed that the buildup of nitrogen, dust, fumes, and other forms of pollution would make the air unbreathable by the mid-1980s. They predicted all urban dwellers would have to don gas masks to survive, that particle clouds would block the majority of sunlight from reaching earth, and that farm yields would drop as dust blotted out the sun.
The Prophecies:
What Actually Happened: When these doomsayers were pronouncing the imminent death of our atmosphere, the rate of air pollution had already been falling for most of the world, usually in the absence of dedicated policy changes. Developments like air filtration, as well as an overall decline in household pollutants (like the smoke from cooking with coal or wood) greatly reduced the health risks of the particles that remained. Increased adoption of fossil fuels and electricity grids, rather than traditional stoves, accelerated the improvements.
- Ecologist Kenneth Watt
- Life Magazine, 1970
- Newsweek Magazine, 1970
- Science News, C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization, 1975
75 Percent of Species Will Go Extinct
The Prediction: Alleged experts in biology and zoology predicted that of all species of animals alive in 1970, at least 75 percent would be extinct by 1995. They blamed human activities like hunting and farming for shrinking wild habitats and cited pollution and climate change as key drivers of the new extinctions. Paul Ehrlich claimed “[By 1985] all important animal life in the sea will be extinct."
The Prophecies:
- Sen. Gaylord Nelson, Look Magazine
- Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute
- The Sinking Ark 1979, Oxford biologist Norman Myers
What Actually Happened: You may have noticed that earth has not lost three-quarters of its 8.7 million species, and indeed total biomass continues to grow. 99 percent of all species that have ever existed are already extinct, and natural rates of extinction predict we might lose anywhere from 200 to 2,000 species per year without any human intervention. Since 2000, we’ve identified fewer than 20.
The language surrounding these various environmental disasters sounds much like Wednesday night’s town hall, and yet each thesis has faded from public consciousness, and the fear-mongers faced no accountability for their misplaced alarmism. Before we make unprecedented sacrifices to fight a climate phantom, let’s review the credibility of claims that the end is near—but really, this time.
4 Catastrophic Climate Predictions That Never Came True
The language surrounding these various environmental disasters sounds much like Wednesday night’s town hall, and yet each thesis has faded from public consciousness, and the fear-mongers faced no accountability for their misplaced alarmism.fee.org
Now for a prediction that will come true, leftists will come into this thread whining and crying about the source without being able to refute any of the facts contained in this OP.
More to come........
All these studies allow the Academics to be more relevant, get grant money, drive nice cars, take trips to Europe and be able to afford a summer home as well as their primary mansion.
It all makes perfect sense.
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all while flying around on private jets. You know, those climate free type.
Yep. You're also too stupid to understand the point I was making. The problem with the Dems response to global warming is that they're using it as an excuse for socialism. But Trumpsters aren't smart enough to argue against the socialism, so they pretend there's not a problem. They don't really care whether there is or isn't, they're just obsessed with their culture war. Stupid in, stupid out.
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If the predictions of the 70s had been true, today the State of Florida, New Orleans, Manhattan, New Amsterdam, London, Venice and all low lying cities and towns across the world would be submerged under the sea.
These cities are not under the sea and the myth of Climate Cooling, Climate Warming, or Climate Change is a Maoist Democrat political ploy.
Earths temperature is controlled by its distance and angle from the Sun.
As we in the Northern hemisphere experience winter, those in the Southern hemisphere are experiencing Summer.
These cities are not under the sea and the myth of Climate Cooling, Climate Warming, or Climate Change is a Maoist Democrat political ploy.
Earths temperature is controlled by its distance and angle from the Sun.
As we in the Northern hemisphere experience winter, those in the Southern hemisphere are experiencing Summer.
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Argue against socialism? What’s the argument you are using?
You wouldn't understand.
What I see, in all of this, is just a big fake argument over scientific details that neither side gives a shit about. Whether climate change is real, and what we should do if it is, is NOT a partisan issue. But it's being pulled into the partisan cesspool anyway. And I put most of the blame on the Democrats. If they weren't using it as a wedge for socialism, maybe the Republicans would pull their heads out of their asses and actually address the issue.
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Guess what, dingbat. I'm from Western New York and with global warming you get more wetness and wind and that's what caused this lake effect snow storm. In the last ten years or so Buffalo has gotten about the same amount of snow as Baltimore New York City and Boston which is totally different, and our winters are a hell of a lot easier than they used to be and we are becoming the Miami of the north, and don't ask for any of our water lol. We now have more wetness more heat. Less wetness where there is drought historically.... and more wetness where drought is not a problem historically. maybe if you listen to a TV station that reports the god dam news......
Ecology is a biological science. Watt had no expertise in atmospheric science and Life Magazine is hardly a refereed science jounal. Pollution was a growing problem when that article came out and it was addressed by a number of "dedicated policy changes" such as the Clean Air Act (1963, amended with the National Ambient Air Quality Standards in 1965, the National Emissions Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants from 1970-1990, the New Source Performance Standards from 1970-1977, the Acid Rain Program in 1990, Ozone Layer protection in 1990 and the increasingl;y stringent Mobile Source Program of 1965), the Clean Water Ac of 1972 and the creation of the EPA in late 1970. While moving from burning wood in open fires for heating and cooking to the use of gas and electricity generated primarily by fossil fuels was an improvement in particulates, it caused a major increase in GHG production, whose two primary components are ICE powered motor vehicles and energy generation, not cooking.
What is actually happening:
During the past 100–200 years, biodiversity loss and species extinction have accelerated[11] to the point that most conservation biologists now believe that humankind has either entered a period of mass extinction,[12][13] or is on the cusp of doing so.[14][15]
Holocene and Anthropocene extinctions span numerous families of bacteria, fungi, plants,[16][17][18] and animals, including mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish, invertebrates, and affecting not just terrestrial species but also large sectors of marine life.[19] With widespread degradation of highly biodiverse habitats such as coral reefs and rainforests, as well as other areas, the vast majority of these extinctions are thought to be undocumented, as the species are undiscovered at the time of their extinction, which goes unrecorded. The current rate of extinction of species is estimated at 100 to 1,000 times higher than natural background extinction rates[8][11][20][21] and increasing.[22]
The Holocene extinction includes the disappearance of large land animals known as megafauna, starting at the end of the last glacial period. Megafauna outside of the African mainland, which did not evolve alongside humans, proved highly sensitive to the introduction of human predation, and many died out shortly after early humans began spreading and hunting across the Earth.[23][24] Many African species have also gone extinct in the Holocene, along with species in North America, South America, and Australia, but – with some exceptions – the megafauna of the Eurasian mainland was largely unaffected until a few hundred years ago.[25] These extinctions, occurring near the Pleistocene–Holocene boundary, are sometimes referred to as the Quaternary extinction event.
The most popular theory is that human overhunting of species added to existing stress conditions as the Holocene extinction coincides with human colonization of many new areas around the world. Although there is debate regarding how much human predation and habitat loss affected their decline, certain population declines have been directly correlated with the onset of human activity, such as the extinction events of New Zealand and Hawaii. Aside from humans, climate change may have been a driving factor in the megafaunal extinctions, especially at the end of the Pleistocene.
In the twentieth century, human numbers quadrupled, and the size of the global economy increased twenty-five-fold.[26][27] This Great Acceleration or Anthropocene Epoch has also accelerated species extinction.[28][29] Ecologically, humanity is now an unprecedented "global superpredator"[30] that consistently preys on the adults of other apex predators, takes over other species' essential habitats and displaces them,[31] and has worldwide effects on food webs.[32] There have been extinctions of species on every land mass and in every ocean: there are many famous examples within Africa, Asia, Europe, Australia, North and South America, and on smaller islands.
Overall, the Holocene extinction can be linked to the human impact on the environment. The Holocene extinction continues into the 21st century, with human population growth, increasing per capita consumption[11][33][34][35] and meat production[7][36][37][38][39][40] being the primary drivers of mass extinction. Deforestation,[7] overfishing, ocean acidification, the destruction of wetlands,[41] and the decline in amphibian populations[42] are a few broader examples of global biodiversity loss.
Holocene extinction - Wikipedia
Humans and their livestock now make up 96% of the planet's biomass. That is the reason it continues to grow. See: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1711842115
That is egregiously disingenuous. Current extinction rates are grossly higher than the natural background rate and have led biologists to assert we have entered the sixth great extinction. "What worries ecologists is that extinctions today are happening much faster than nature would predict. This has happened five times in the past: these are defined as mass extinction events and are aptly named the ‘Big Five’. In each extinction event the world lost more than 75% of its species in a short period of time (here we mean ‘short’ in its geological sense – less than two million years)." Extinctions
That is absolute bullshit. "There’s a natural background rate to the timing and frequency of extinctions: 10% of species are lost every million years; 30% every 10 million years; and 65% every 100 million years." ibid. There are currently 8.7 million different species. Ten perecent of that would be 870,000 species. Over a million years that is 0.87 species per year, not "200 to 2,000". ibid
The language surrounding this unsupported screed is sickeningly unconcerned about life on this planet.
Perhaps because they were the unverified opinions of the unqualified and picked here to create a vulnerable strawman to attack
Just as you the author here will face no accountability for their irresponsible lies.
Yes, lets. Perhaps the UN could create an intergovernmental panel of experts on climate change to assess the peer reviewed science from around the world and tell us whether or not there is a real problem and a real threat.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was restricted to a single option. I seem to have done both.
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All we need to know about the climate apocalypse alarmists as mostly scam artists is to observe how they live their lives. They obviously are not worried at all about their personal carbon footprints and don't seem to be bothered by prediction of rising seas and such. Instead of teleconferencing, they frequently jet--often in private jets--here and there all over the world. Wouldn't you think those who truly believed the doctrines they were preaching would at least give the illusion of walking the walk instead of just talking the talk?
When they tell us to follow the science they mean what THEY consider to be science and not any opposing data or information that exists in the scientific world. Wouldn't those truly interested in the science include ALL the science instead of what conveniently supports their doctrines?
And if you needed no other evidence that this is a scam or money laundering scheme or whatever, the so-called retributions for pollution being assessed, China with the second largest economy in the world and challenging the USA for the No. 1 spot and #6 in the world for being high tech is being classified as a 'third world country'. They are exempted from having to pay restitution to 'victimized poor countries' despite being in the top 5 CO2 'polluters' in the world.
When they tell us to follow the science they mean what THEY consider to be science and not any opposing data or information that exists in the scientific world. Wouldn't those truly interested in the science include ALL the science instead of what conveniently supports their doctrines?
And if you needed no other evidence that this is a scam or money laundering scheme or whatever, the so-called retributions for pollution being assessed, China with the second largest economy in the world and challenging the USA for the No. 1 spot and #6 in the world for being high tech is being classified as a 'third world country'. They are exempted from having to pay restitution to 'victimized poor countries' despite being in the top 5 CO2 'polluters' in the world.
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