Elon Musk publicized the names of government employees he wants to cut. It’s terrifying federal workers

[jc456]

i think she was expressing her opinion of the govt workers who dont work....unlike you jc some people here express what THEY think about what is going on........

yes she was because the OP is about Elon Musk, did you fail to read the title of the thread?

 

[Harry Dresden]

yes she was because the OP is about Elon Musk, did you fail to read the title of the thread?

no she was expressing HER opinion of it....did you read more than the title or did you jump in after one post?...

 

[mikegriffith1]

So apparently the goal isn't just to cut out waste and save money, it's also to intimidate and terrify other people, in this case the federal workforce. Sadly, this is not news to me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/busi...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

CNN —​

When President-elect Donald Trump said Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy would recommend major cuts to the federal government in his administration, many public employees knew that their jobs could be on the line.​

​

Now they have a new fear: becoming the personal targets of the world’s richest man – and his legions of followers.​

​

Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts.​

​

Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.​

​

Several current federal employees told CNN they’re afraid their lives will be forever changed – including physically threatened – as Musk makes behind-the-scenes bureaucrats into personal targets. Others told CNN that the threat of being in Musk’s crosshairs might even drive them from their jobs entirely – achieving Musk’s smaller government goals without so much as a proper review.​

​

“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”​

​

This isn’t new behavior for Musk, who has often singled out individuals who he claims have made mistakes or stand in his way. One former federal employee, previously targeted by Musk, said she experienced something very similar.​

​

“It’s his way of intimidating people to either quit or also send a signal to all the other agencies that ‘you’re next’,” said Mary “Missy” Cummings, an engineering and computer science professor at George Mason University, who drew Musk’s ire because of her criticisms of Tesla when she was at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.​

​

Going dark after attacks​

Last week Musk reposted an account with the handle Fentasyl and the name “Datahazard,” which describes itself as “Unincorporated Think Tank ~~ Focus: Govt Efficiency, Civil Rights, Victim Advocacy.”​

​

One of the posts reads: “I don’t think the US taxpayers should pay for the employment of a ’Director of Climate Diversification (she/her)’ at the US International Development Finance Corporation,” with a partial screengrab of an employee and her location.​

​

Musk, who called himself “super pro climate” in an X post last year, reposted and commented: “So many fake jobs.” The post has received more than 33 million views and a storm of negative comments. Some called the role a “fraud job” and others demanded Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency cut jobs like it. One user commented: “Gravy train is over.”​

​

It appears the woman Musk targeted has since gone dark on social media, shutting down her accounts. The agency, the US International Development Finance Corporation, says it supports investment in climate mitigation, resilience and adaptation in low-income countries experiencing the most devastating effects of climate change. A DFC official said the agency does not comment on individual personnel positions or matters.​

​

Related articleRemote work crackdown: How Trump’s DOGE could push federal workers to quit​

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Musk also called out the Department of Energy’s chief climate officer in its loan programs office. The office funds fledgling energy technologies in need of early investment and awarded $465 million to Tesla Motors in 2010, helping to position Musk’s electric vehicle company as an EV industry leader. The chief climate officer works across agencies to “reduce barriers and enable clean energy deployment” according to her online bio.​

​

Another woman, who serves as senior advisor on environmental justice and climate change at the Department of Health and Human Services, was another Musk target. HHS focuses on protecting the public health from pollution and other environmental hazards, especially in low-income communities and communities of color that are experiencing a higher share of exposures and impacts. The office first launched at Health and Human Services under the Biden administration in 2022.​

​

A senior adviser to climate at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also singled out. The original X post said the woman “should not be paid $181,648.00 by the US taxpayer to be the ‘Climate advisor’ at HUD.” Musk reposted with the comment: “But maybe her advice is amazing.” Followed by two laughing emojis.​

​

CNN reached out to all four federal employees who either declined comment or were unable to be reached. CNN also reached out to HHS, DOE and HUD for comment.​

​

X did not respond to an email seeking comment.​

​

The AFGE public union pointed out that as a federal contractor, Musk himself has benefited from government programs, with $750 billion per year spent on federal contractors compared to about $200 billion for the civilian federal workforce. “We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” Kelley said.​

​

Putting people in harm’s way​

Musk has done this kind of thing before – and it’s led to real danger for the people named.​

​

Missy Cummings angered Musk when she was appointed a senior advisor at the NHTSA because her research and public comments were critical of Tesla’s driver-assist programs and she had called for regulating the systems.​

​

Musk targeted Cummings on what was then called Twitter, and his legions of fans followed.​

​

In an interview, Cummings said she received a torrent of attacks, including death threats, and had to temporarily relocate before she eventually moved.​

​

Cummings said she already knows of federal employees who “have dedicated their lives to civil service,” already quitting their jobs in anticipation of what’s to come.​

​

“He intended for them, for people just like this, to be intimidated and just go ahead and quit so he didn’t have to fire them. So his plan, to some extent, is working,” she said.​

​

CNN reached out to multiple experts and academics who specialize in cyber harassment, doxing and online abuse. But several declined to comment on the record for fear of themselves becoming Musk’s targets.​

​

“What has happened has an incredible and horrific chilling effect,” one of them said.​

​

Another said they are “not surprised” with Musk’s re-posts, adding they are an example of a “classic pattern” of cyber harassment.​

​

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Ramaswamy did not directly respond to questions about singling out individual federal employees but told CNN: “Most federal employees, like most human beings, are fundamentally good people and deserve to be treated with respect, but the real problem is the bureaucracy.”​

​

“Our opponent is not any particular individual. Our opponent is the bureaucracy,” he added.​

​

In a follow-up post, the Fentasyl account, which itself is anonymous, wrote: “It goes without saying that you should not harass someone solely because they hold a senior government plum job that should probably not exist,” the account posted. “But senior government officials are not mere rank-and-file employees. We deserve to know who is running our government & what they do.”​

​

Cummings, who was also one of the first female fighter pilots in the US Navy, said she felt an obligation to speak out.​

​

“Somebody has got to speak out,” she said. “I’m just not going to let him win on this point.”

Oh, boo hoo hoo. What a bunch of sniveling and whining. I notice you didn't even bother to say whether or not those positions deserve to be cut. But, gee, who cares about that, right? What a bunch of snowflake nonsense.

 

[jc456]

no she was expressing HER opinion of it....did you read more than the title or did you jump in after one post?...

It’s a message board, everyone has an opinion, why would hers on the topic not be on Elon in an Elon thread?

 

[Lisa558]

How terrifying! Government workers might have to show up at the office.

 

[JoeB131]

It was middle-class, high-achieving white kids who were rejected in favor of lower-achieving blacks.

Again, why do you care? It wasn't like you personally had a dog in the hunt, other than your fear of black people and not wanting to see them get ahead in life.

Why is hiring or admitting less-qualified people good for business simply because their skin color is different? It’s BAD for business, which is why businesses are abandoning DEI programs.

Talk to some Gen Z some time. They value diversity.

It's actually good business to get a wide array of viewpoints.

A few businesses are abandoning them, the ones that weren't serious to start with. The smart companies are continuing to do it. It's why every place you apply for will ask questions on gender and race and sometimes sexual orientation.

First, I will always be Jewish because my mother is Jewish. And second, why would I even want to stop being Jewish?

Oh, I don't know; you might actually realize clinging to bronze-age superstitions isn't a good idea.

I was born Catholic because my parents were Catholic. But then one day, I realized that Catholicism didn't have the answers, so I'm not Catholic anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

I want the Constitutionally mandated Government. We live in the 21st Century no company could poison it's customers without the entire world knowing about it almost instantly and being bankrupted the next day. This would happen without your godlike Federal Government and millions of redundant regulations.

3 regulations is all we need. Don't poison/kill your customer. Don't poison/kill your employees. Don't poison/destroy the environment. Any of the above and massive fines will apply which all go to the victims not one cent goes to unelected bureaucrats or politicians.

Well, that's not really true. A bunch of companies have poisoned thousands of people and had minimal accountability. If we didn't have government, they would engage in even more shenanigans.

The problem with your three regulations is that we don't really agree on what poisoning or killing someone would consist of, do we?

 

[JoeB131]

Govt workers NEVER get axed.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Certainly better than the private sector, where you have NO job security at all.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, they had you make multiple trips to their office to do a simple task that you could have done on line. That’s governmental waste at its best. Unnecessary work done by unnecessary people.

Or they had safeguards to make sure no one was committing identity theft using my wife or my name.

On the other hand, I've been exposed to at least two data breaches against former employers because some wage-slave clicked a link they shouldn't have.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, boo hoo hoo. What a bunch of sniveling and whining. I notice you didn't even bother to say whether or not those positions deserve to be cut. But, gee, who cares about that, right? What a bunch of snowflake nonsense.

No, man, the nonsense is thinking you can arbitrarily slash thousands of government jobs, and think that no one will be affected.

 

[JWBooth]

So apparently the goal isn't just to cut out waste and save money, it's also to intimidate and terrify other people, in this case the federal workforce. Sadly, this is not news to me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/busi...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

CNN —​

When President-elect Donald Trump said Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy would recommend major cuts to the federal government in his administration, many public employees knew that their jobs could be on the line.​

​

Now they have a new fear: becoming the personal targets of the world’s richest man – and his legions of followers.​

​

Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts.​

​

Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.​

​

Several current federal employees told CNN they’re afraid their lives will be forever changed – including physically threatened – as Musk makes behind-the-scenes bureaucrats into personal targets. Others told CNN that the threat of being in Musk’s crosshairs might even drive them from their jobs entirely – achieving Musk’s smaller government goals without so much as a proper review.​

​

“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”​

​

This isn’t new behavior for Musk, who has often singled out individuals who he claims have made mistakes or stand in his way. One former federal employee, previously targeted by Musk, said she experienced something very similar.​

​

“It’s his way of intimidating people to either quit or also send a signal to all the other agencies that ‘you’re next’,” said Mary “Missy” Cummings, an engineering and computer science professor at George Mason University, who drew Musk’s ire because of her criticisms of Tesla when she was at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.​

​

Going dark after attacks​

Last week Musk reposted an account with the handle Fentasyl and the name “Datahazard,” which describes itself as “Unincorporated Think Tank ~~ Focus: Govt Efficiency, Civil Rights, Victim Advocacy.”​

​

One of the posts reads: “I don’t think the US taxpayers should pay for the employment of a ’Director of Climate Diversification (she/her)’ at the US International Development Finance Corporation,” with a partial screengrab of an employee and her location.​

​

Musk, who called himself “super pro climate” in an X post last year, reposted and commented: “So many fake jobs.” The post has received more than 33 million views and a storm of negative comments. Some called the role a “fraud job” and others demanded Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency cut jobs like it. One user commented: “Gravy train is over.”​

​

It appears the woman Musk targeted has since gone dark on social media, shutting down her accounts. The agency, the US International Development Finance Corporation, says it supports investment in climate mitigation, resilience and adaptation in low-income countries experiencing the most devastating effects of climate change. A DFC official said the agency does not comment on individual personnel positions or matters.​

​

Related articleRemote work crackdown: How Trump’s DOGE could push federal workers to quit​

​

Musk also called out the Department of Energy’s chief climate officer in its loan programs office. The office funds fledgling energy technologies in need of early investment and awarded $465 million to Tesla Motors in 2010, helping to position Musk’s electric vehicle company as an EV industry leader. The chief climate officer works across agencies to “reduce barriers and enable clean energy deployment” according to her online bio.​

​

Another woman, who serves as senior advisor on environmental justice and climate change at the Department of Health and Human Services, was another Musk target. HHS focuses on protecting the public health from pollution and other environmental hazards, especially in low-income communities and communities of color that are experiencing a higher share of exposures and impacts. The office first launched at Health and Human Services under the Biden administration in 2022.​

​

A senior adviser to climate at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also singled out. The original X post said the woman “should not be paid $181,648.00 by the US taxpayer to be the ‘Climate advisor’ at HUD.” Musk reposted with the comment: “But maybe her advice is amazing.” Followed by two laughing emojis.​

​

CNN reached out to all four federal employees who either declined comment or were unable to be reached. CNN also reached out to HHS, DOE and HUD for comment.​

​

X did not respond to an email seeking comment.​

​

The AFGE public union pointed out that as a federal contractor, Musk himself has benefited from government programs, with $750 billion per year spent on federal contractors compared to about $200 billion for the civilian federal workforce. “We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” Kelley said.​

​

Putting people in harm’s way​

Musk has done this kind of thing before – and it’s led to real danger for the people named.​

​

Missy Cummings angered Musk when she was appointed a senior advisor at the NHTSA because her research and public comments were critical of Tesla’s driver-assist programs and she had called for regulating the systems.​

​

Musk targeted Cummings on what was then called Twitter, and his legions of fans followed.​

​

In an interview, Cummings said she received a torrent of attacks, including death threats, and had to temporarily relocate before she eventually moved.​

​

Cummings said she already knows of federal employees who “have dedicated their lives to civil service,” already quitting their jobs in anticipation of what’s to come.​

​

“He intended for them, for people just like this, to be intimidated and just go ahead and quit so he didn’t have to fire them. So his plan, to some extent, is working,” she said.​

​

CNN reached out to multiple experts and academics who specialize in cyber harassment, doxing and online abuse. But several declined to comment on the record for fear of themselves becoming Musk’s targets.​

​

“What has happened has an incredible and horrific chilling effect,” one of them said.​

​

Another said they are “not surprised” with Musk’s re-posts, adding they are an example of a “classic pattern” of cyber harassment.​

​

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​

Ramaswamy did not directly respond to questions about singling out individual federal employees but told CNN: “Most federal employees, like most human beings, are fundamentally good people and deserve to be treated with respect, but the real problem is the bureaucracy.”​

​

“Our opponent is not any particular individual. Our opponent is the bureaucracy,” he added.​

​

In a follow-up post, the Fentasyl account, which itself is anonymous, wrote: “It goes without saying that you should not harass someone solely because they hold a senior government plum job that should probably not exist,” the account posted. “But senior government officials are not mere rank-and-file employees. We deserve to know who is running our government & what they do.”​

​

Cummings, who was also one of the first female fighter pilots in the US Navy, said she felt an obligation to speak out.​

​

“Somebody has got to speak out,” she said. “I’m just not going to let him win on this point.”

Parasites don’t like being remove from the host.
Fuck em.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Well, that's not really true. A bunch of companies have poisoned thousands of people and had minimal accountability. If we didn't have government, they would engage in even more shenanigans.

The problem with your three regulations is that we don't really agree on what poisoning or killing someone would consist of, do we?

You ignored the part where I stated any company that broke the three regulations would be hit with massive fines and poisoning and killing someone isn't complicated for most people. If it makes someone sick or they die is pretty simple.

 

[Rawley]

I'm saying a 60 year old shouldn't have to be working.

No, you actually said "60 is too old to be working."

 

[imawhosure]

So apparently the goal isn't just to cut out waste and save money, it's also to intimidate and terrify other people, in this case the federal workforce. Sadly, this is not news to me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/busi...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

CNN —​

When President-elect Donald Trump said Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy would recommend major cuts to the federal government in his administration, many public employees knew that their jobs could be on the line.​

​

Now they have a new fear: becoming the personal targets of the world’s richest man – and his legions of followers.​

​

Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts.​

​

Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.​

​

Several current federal employees told CNN they’re afraid their lives will be forever changed – including physically threatened – as Musk makes behind-the-scenes bureaucrats into personal targets. Others told CNN that the threat of being in Musk’s crosshairs might even drive them from their jobs entirely – achieving Musk’s smaller government goals without so much as a proper review.​

​

“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”​

​

This isn’t new behavior for Musk, who has often singled out individuals who he claims have made mistakes or stand in his way. One former federal employee, previously targeted by Musk, said she experienced something very similar.​

​

“It’s his way of intimidating people to either quit or also send a signal to all the other agencies that ‘you’re next’,” said Mary “Missy” Cummings, an engineering and computer science professor at George Mason University, who drew Musk’s ire because of her criticisms of Tesla when she was at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.​

​

Going dark after attacks​

Last week Musk reposted an account with the handle Fentasyl and the name “Datahazard,” which describes itself as “Unincorporated Think Tank ~~ Focus: Govt Efficiency, Civil Rights, Victim Advocacy.”​

​

One of the posts reads: “I don’t think the US taxpayers should pay for the employment of a ’Director of Climate Diversification (she/her)’ at the US International Development Finance Corporation,” with a partial screengrab of an employee and her location.​

​

Musk, who called himself “super pro climate” in an X post last year, reposted and commented: “So many fake jobs.” The post has received more than 33 million views and a storm of negative comments. Some called the role a “fraud job” and others demanded Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency cut jobs like it. One user commented: “Gravy train is over.”​

​

It appears the woman Musk targeted has since gone dark on social media, shutting down her accounts. The agency, the US International Development Finance Corporation, says it supports investment in climate mitigation, resilience and adaptation in low-income countries experiencing the most devastating effects of climate change. A DFC official said the agency does not comment on individual personnel positions or matters.​

​

Related articleRemote work crackdown: How Trump’s DOGE could push federal workers to quit​

​

Musk also called out the Department of Energy’s chief climate officer in its loan programs office. The office funds fledgling energy technologies in need of early investment and awarded $465 million to Tesla Motors in 2010, helping to position Musk’s electric vehicle company as an EV industry leader. The chief climate officer works across agencies to “reduce barriers and enable clean energy deployment” according to her online bio.​

​

Another woman, who serves as senior advisor on environmental justice and climate change at the Department of Health and Human Services, was another Musk target. HHS focuses on protecting the public health from pollution and other environmental hazards, especially in low-income communities and communities of color that are experiencing a higher share of exposures and impacts. The office first launched at Health and Human Services under the Biden administration in 2022.​

​

A senior adviser to climate at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also singled out. The original X post said the woman “should not be paid $181,648.00 by the US taxpayer to be the ‘Climate advisor’ at HUD.” Musk reposted with the comment: “But maybe her advice is amazing.” Followed by two laughing emojis.​

​

CNN reached out to all four federal employees who either declined comment or were unable to be reached. CNN also reached out to HHS, DOE and HUD for comment.​

​

X did not respond to an email seeking comment.​

​

The AFGE public union pointed out that as a federal contractor, Musk himself has benefited from government programs, with $750 billion per year spent on federal contractors compared to about $200 billion for the civilian federal workforce. “We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” Kelley said.​

​

Putting people in harm’s way​

Musk has done this kind of thing before – and it’s led to real danger for the people named.​

​

Missy Cummings angered Musk when she was appointed a senior advisor at the NHTSA because her research and public comments were critical of Tesla’s driver-assist programs and she had called for regulating the systems.​

​

Musk targeted Cummings on what was then called Twitter, and his legions of fans followed.​

​

In an interview, Cummings said she received a torrent of attacks, including death threats, and had to temporarily relocate before she eventually moved.​

​

Cummings said she already knows of federal employees who “have dedicated their lives to civil service,” already quitting their jobs in anticipation of what’s to come.​

​

“He intended for them, for people just like this, to be intimidated and just go ahead and quit so he didn’t have to fire them. So his plan, to some extent, is working,” she said.​

​

CNN reached out to multiple experts and academics who specialize in cyber harassment, doxing and online abuse. But several declined to comment on the record for fear of themselves becoming Musk’s targets.​

​

“What has happened has an incredible and horrific chilling effect,” one of them said.​

​

Another said they are “not surprised” with Musk’s re-posts, adding they are an example of a “classic pattern” of cyber harassment.​

​

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​

Ramaswamy did not directly respond to questions about singling out individual federal employees but told CNN: “Most federal employees, like most human beings, are fundamentally good people and deserve to be treated with respect, but the real problem is the bureaucracy.”​

​

“Our opponent is not any particular individual. Our opponent is the bureaucracy,” he added.​

​

In a follow-up post, the Fentasyl account, which itself is anonymous, wrote: “It goes without saying that you should not harass someone solely because they hold a senior government plum job that should probably not exist,” the account posted. “But senior government officials are not mere rank-and-file employees. We deserve to know who is running our government & what they do.”​

​

Cummings, who was also one of the first female fighter pilots in the US Navy, said she felt an obligation to speak out.​

​

“Somebody has got to speak out,” she said. “I’m just not going to let him win on this point.”

OMG, you mean they are pooping their pants because they might have to work? Say it isn't so, lololol.

I KNOW people who work in DC, and let me tell ALL of you.............they ADMIT that they work between 1 and 2hrs a day, and that is on a BUSY day-)

 

[initforme]

No, you actually said "60 is too old to be working."

Yep. If they are forced to work that's anti human for the nation awash in wealth.

 

[Lisa558]

It’s a message board, everyone has an opinion, why would hers on the topic not be on Elon in an Elon thread?

Who are you guys talking about?

OMG, you mean they are pooping their pants because they might have to work? Say it isn't so, lololol.

I KNOW people who work in DC, and let me tell ALL of you.............they ADMIT that they work between 1 and 2hrs a day, and that is on a BUSY day-)

yup. I know someone who is GS-14 step 10 earning $180,00 a year - and she admits to me that she has so little work that she barely puts in two hours a day.

 

[JoeB131]

You ignored the part where I stated any company that broke the three regulations would be hit with massive fines and poisoning and killing someone isn't complicated for most people. If it makes someone sick or they die is pretty simple.

Gee, how about stopping them before they poison anyone?

Here's the problem with your theory. Let's suppose you are stuffing your fat face with a hamburger, and you get E. Coli and die.

Was it the fault of the meat packer, the meat wholesaler, or the kid who didn't wash his hands at the Greasy Burger before he made your food?

Well, the government doesn't have investigators anymore, so damned if they know.

So your heirs sue, and the meat company has billions in slush funds, and your side has an office-front lawyer who is willing to settle.

 

[Rawley]

Yep. If they are forced to work that's anti human for the nation awash in wealth.

So you're amending what you said, what you really meant to say was "60 is too old to be forced to be working," right?

 

[initforme]

So you're amending what you said, what you really meant to say was "60 is too old to be forced to be working," right?

Being forced to be working after 55 says something is wrong. But then again I owe you zero.

 

[Rawley]

Being forced to be working after 55 says something is wrong.

But being forced to work at 50 is OK?

But then again I owe you zero.

You owe me a million dollars.