leaving obamacare?

[froggy]

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

 

[Arianrhod]

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

 

[Andylusion]

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Never said they were. You put socialists in government, who put in place laws that jacked up the costs of health care.

Aetna didn't making the destructive laws. Aetna is who you are trying to blame, for the effects of your destructive laws, because you are simply too partisan and childish to see cause and effect.

Every socialists cause around the world, they never blame their own bad policies, they always blame people who react to those policies.

Venezuela price controls, blame food shortages on CIA and Capitalist corporations.

French Wealth Tax, blame fiscal emergency on Wealthy 1% leaving the country.

Cuba impoverishment, blame the US for the embargo.

All leftists are the same. Like a 5 year old, saying 'he hit me back first'.

Similarly, you put in place bad health care programs and policies, that drive up the cost of care throughout the country, and then blame Insurance companies instead of your own incompetence.

 

[Andylusion]

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

The CEO of Aetna, one of the country's largest health insurers, says the company is not giving up on the ObamaCare marketplaces despite losing money in them in 2015.

"We believe it’s incredibly important in the business we’re in that we insure all Americans," CEO Mark Bertolini said at the JP Morgan Healthcare Conference in San Francisco. “This is our first attempt to make this happen, and we believe we have an obligation to stick it out and work with it until we know that it won’t work, and I believe it is too early to give up on this process.”

In fact, even if you don't read the article, the fact he saying "it's too early to give up"... means people are thinking of giving up on it. That's why he would say that.

And they wouldn't be thinking of giving up... if it was working great.... would they? Tell me you are at least intelligent enough to figure this out.

They lost money on providing this insurance. Tons of money.

Companies are not in the business of losing money until they are bankrupt. Tell me you are smart enough to figure that out too.

Now what he's saying is, Obama Care has to change, to be profitable for them to stay in it.

My guess is.... either the law will be repealed and replaced, or they will change the law so that these companies can make a profit. When that happen, premiums will go up... and the companies will make billions... and then you idiots on the left will complain that "companies own the government" instead of blaming your own incompetence.

That's what children do. They blame everyone, but themselves. "It's BUSH's fault!" You people have only a few plays in your play book, and you just use them over and over and over again.

 

[Arianrhod]

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

 

[Andylusion]

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was. Once again, making up crap. Can't argue with what was said, so just make up something, claim what no one said is wrong, and declare victory.

Typical mindless left-wing debate style.

 

[Arianrhod]

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

 

[Andylusion]

Aetna CEO: 'Too early to give up' on ObamaCare marketplace

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that. Still waiting for you to post like an adult, instead of a child.

 

[Arianrhod]

So the claim that "every insurer is leaving" turns out to be exaggerated.

Y'all can't seem to stick to your own narrative.

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

 

[Andylusion]

Actually... if you had... oh I don't know... read the article (crazy idea for you I'm sure), then you would have known it completely validates what we've been saying.

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

Yes I said socialism was to blame. You are the only one that asked to prove Aetna and Cigna were socialists. Since I never said they were, then I do not need to prove a claim I never made. Only you made the claim.

 

[Arianrhod]

I did. The first thing I noticed is that it's dated October 15, 2015...about the time that clients are notified that their health insurance is up for renewal for the following year.

So, as I mentioned, this is yet another thread to add to the numerous other threads predicting that premiums will go up in 2016.

Just as premiums have always gone up year over year.

What it is not is some Big New Article about premiums going up twice since October, 2015.

Unless and until y'all understand that, there's no basis for the other things you want to talk about.

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

Yes I said socialism was to blame. You are the only one that asked to prove Aetna and Cigna were socialists. Since I never said they were, then I do not need to prove a claim I never made. Only you made the claim.

Because it was the entry of for-profit insurers into the market that changed the face of health insurance.

An adult would know that.

 

[Andylusion]

No one said it was.

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

Yes I said socialism was to blame. You are the only one that asked to prove Aetna and Cigna were socialists. Since I never said they were, then I do not need to prove a claim I never made. Only you made the claim.

Because it was the entry of for-profit insurers into the market that changed the face of health insurance.

An adult would know that.

No. An idiot might know that, because he's ignorant. Socialism is what caused the problem. Not for-profit whatever BS you make up.

 

[Arianrhod]

Posting it as if it's Big News is either ignorant or disingenuous.

Still waiting for you to prove that for-profit insurers are "socialist."

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

Yes I said socialism was to blame. You are the only one that asked to prove Aetna and Cigna were socialists. Since I never said they were, then I do not need to prove a claim I never made. Only you made the claim.

Because it was the entry of for-profit insurers into the market that changed the face of health insurance.

An adult would know that.

No. An idiot might know that, because he's ignorant. Socialism is what caused the problem. Not for-profit whatever BS you make up.

Then it should be easy for you to prove that, but you're not.

 

[Votto]

UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

 

[Arianrhod]

UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

So the Tardis left you in 2009? You must have made The Doctor very, very angry.

 

[Andylusion]

I already answered that.

You said "socialism" was to blame for the current situation. I must have missed the part where you proved that Aetna, Cigna, et al. were socialist. After you do that, you should notify the Dow.

Yes I said socialism was to blame. You are the only one that asked to prove Aetna and Cigna were socialists. Since I never said they were, then I do not need to prove a claim I never made. Only you made the claim.

Because it was the entry of for-profit insurers into the market that changed the face of health insurance.

An adult would know that.

No. An idiot might know that, because he's ignorant. Socialism is what caused the problem. Not for-profit whatever BS you make up.

Then it should be easy for you to prove that, but you're not.

Huh? You make a statement..... that you have absolutely zero evidence for... and then claim that it is true until I prove it wrong?

So when you say something idiotic, it's assumed true until proven false.... but if I say anything, it's assumed false until proven true?

I'd be surprised, but your a leftist. This is how all leftists think. Proof is only required of everyone else.

You prove your BS first.

 

[Andylusion]

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

So the Tardis left you in 2009? You must have made The Doctor very, very angry.

Ironically, my doctor sold his practice. In fact I just got a letter in the mail, that my dentist sold his practice too.

Oddly enough, I happen to ask both, and you are right, they were both mad.... at Obama Care.

 

[Arianrhod]

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

So the Tardis left you in 2009? You must have made The Doctor very, very angry.

Ironically, my doctor sold his practice. In fact I just got a letter in the mail, that my dentist sold his practice too.

Oddly enough, I happen to ask both, and you are right, they were both mad.... at Obama Care.

The for-profit insurers entered the market in the late '70s/early 80s.

 

[Andylusion]

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

So the Tardis left you in 2009? You must have made The Doctor very, very angry.

Ironically, my doctor sold his practice. In fact I just got a letter in the mail, that my dentist sold his practice too.

Oddly enough, I happen to ask both, and you are right, they were both mad.... at Obama Care.

The for-profit insurers entered the market in the late '70s/early 80s.

And so did Carter enter the white house in the late 70s, early 80s. Both are equally irrelevant to the point.

 

[Arianrhod]

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

And neither does Obamacare.

So the Tardis left you in 2009? You must have made The Doctor very, very angry.

Ironically, my doctor sold his practice. In fact I just got a letter in the mail, that my dentist sold his practice too.

Oddly enough, I happen to ask both, and you are right, they were both mad.... at Obama Care.

The for-profit insurers entered the market in the late '70s/early 80s.

And so did Carter enter the white house in the late 70s, early 80s. Both are equally irrelevant to the point.

Explain why you believe this is true.