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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

See here's what will happen. The politicians are not going to allow themselves humiliated by this failure. So instead, they will modify the program to pay more, which will drastically increase the cost, causing higher taxes.

But the Leftists, won't blame the bad program... no, they'll blame "lobbyist!" and "Corporations own the government!"
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers
(B) If there were no insurance companies, who would you pay your premiums to? :dunno:

There is only one single reason that an insurance company would voluntarily terminate all their policies under ObamaCare.... it's no profitable.

If it's not profitable.... no one else is going to pick them up either.

See, you are looking at it from a free-market perspective. When one company falls out of the market, other companies move in, because they can now raise the rates, because there is less competition.

But this isn't a free market. They can't raise rates. The law prevents them. So if it's not profitable.... then they will slowly all move away.
 
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Another thing Obama ruined
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

There won't be a vacuum. If every single private insurer bails (a truly unrealistic scenario), Medicare for all can move into that gap.

Even Trump's been touting single-payer. Or at least he was a couple of weeks ago. By now he's probably touting polka-dot socks as the solution to healthcare in America, and next week it'll be something else.
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Well duh stupid.

That's the point. You people are so mindless sometimes.... can't you think critically for once in your life?

Look.... since obviously you are incapable of understanding it that way, let's think of it another way....

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

So $300 a month, by all the people in the company, for a couple of years... we build up a large fund, and we can cover everything.

Now, Bob get's hired, and he refuses to join the co-op. No health insurance pool for him. 4 years later, Bob goes to the doctor and finds out he has cancer. But he doesn't tell us this. He comes in Monday... "hey I'd like to join your co-op!" So he joins sends in his first $300 payment, and then sends a $300,000 bill for cancer treatment. Suddenly our Co-op health insurance pool, is drained rather quickly, and now we have to raise premiums on everyone.

Then after 3 years of paying into the pool, Bob finishes his cancer treatment, and the next month "Oh hey, I'm canceling my Co-op. Thanks bye!".

So not only did Bob empty out the co-op, and not only did he not pay a penny in until he was taking $300,000 out, but when he was finished, he canceled, leaving all of us... INCLUDING YOU... to pay higher premiums to replenish the pool.

Now if you had to pay those costs directly, YOU would be SCREAMING for a pre-exiting condition clause.

But you live in a myth. The myth that you don't pay those costs. You live in a mythical world where the insurance company pays those costs.

WRONG! YOU pay those costs. The insurance company passes all of those costs right along to you. That's why the insurance companies created pre-existing condition clauses. So that you don't have to pay for Bob being irresponsible.

But of course you people on the lest were so stupid, you forced the companies to accept everyone. And the politicians knew that it would drive up costs, which is why they put in place controls on premiums.... so now the companies are leaving, and you won't have insurance at all.

Brilliant. Brain dead idiotic fools.... There is nothing a capitalist system can't build and grow, that a mindless left-wing ape, can't tear down and destroy. Soviet ruins... here we come.
 

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Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

There won't be a vacuum. If every single private insurer bails (a truly unrealistic scenario), Medicare for all can move into that gap.

Even Trump's been touting single-payer. Or at least he was a couple of weeks ago. By now he's probably touting polka-dot socks as the solution to healthcare in America, and next week it'll be something else.

No, Medicare can't even attempt to cover that gap.

Medicare doesn't cover the full cost of health care. Right now, private patients pay a higher price, so that Medicare patients pay a lower price.

As there are fewer and fewer private patients, hospitals and doctors will be forced to either charger higher prices, or quit accepting medicare patients.

Remember the Mayo Clinic, that Obama visited, saying it was a model for America? He was right more than he knew.

Why the Mayo Clinic is refusing to see Medicare patients

After the passing of Obama Crap, Mayo Clinic no longer accepts Medicare. Again, Medicare does not pay enough money to cover the cost of care.

You take all those private patients, and make them all Medicare patients, then all the hospitals and doctors and clinics in the country will shift away from Medicare, because they will have no choice. They either refuse medicare, or close the clinic.
 

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Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in, and screwed up the system with their bad policies, and now your trying to blame them, instead of your bad policies.

And by the way... if you really believe that, then by all means put your money where your mouth is, and open your own co-op. Lot a of barking from you people, but you never back it up with a bite. You think you have a point, then prove it.

But of course you can't, because the moment you got into the business, you'd fail so bad, you'd make Kerry in 2004, look like a winner.
 

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(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Single-payer has little to no realistic chance of happening anytime in the near future

There won't be a vacuum. If every single private insurer bails (a truly unrealistic scenario), Medicare for all can move into that gap.

Even Trump's been touting single-payer. Or at least he was a couple of weeks ago. By now he's probably touting polka-dot socks as the solution to healthcare in America, and next week it'll be something else.

No, Medicare can't even attempt to cover that gap.

Medicare-for-all, i.e., single-payer.
 

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Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

Which is exactly how health insurance began in this country.

Then the for-profit insurers were let in, and resulted in the mess we have today.

No. The socialists were let in...

Aetna, Cigna, et al. are socialists? Evidence, please.
 

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UnitedHealth CEO: We may bail on Obamacare


And when all providers leave will our premiums hit the moon?

(A) What makes you think all providers would leave? Usually when one bails the others swoop in and pick up their customers

If it was profitable for them to be in the business of ObamaCare they wouldn't be bailing on it in the first place.

They're still getting the same premiums. What's bugging them is that they can't deny patients for preexisting conditions or set lifetime caps for coverage, poor babies.

Single-payer, here we come.

Well duh stupid.

That's the point. You people are so mindless sometimes.... can't you think critically for once in your life?

Look.... since obviously you are incapable of understanding it that way, let's think of it another way....

Pretend you and me, and a dozen others, are all working at a company, and we say "screw insurance, let's run our own co-op". So we open our own health-insurance-pool. We all pay into the pool, and when we need health care, we pull money from the pool, and write a check.

So $300 a month, by all the people in the company, for a couple of years... we build up a large fund, and we can cover everything.

Now, Bob get's hired, and he refuses to join the co-op. No health insurance pool for him. 4 years later, Bob goes to the doctor and finds out he has cancer. But he doesn't tell us this. He comes in Monday... "hey I'd like to join your co-op!" So he joins sends in his first $300 payment, and then sends a $300,000 bill for cancer treatment. Suddenly our Co-op health insurance pool, is drained rather quickly, and now we have to raise premiums on everyone.

Then after 3 years of paying into the pool, Bob finishes his cancer treatment, and the next month "Oh hey, I'm canceling my Co-op. Thanks bye!".

So not only did Bob empty out the co-op, and not only did he not pay a penny in until he was taking $300,000 out, but when he was finished, he canceled, leaving all of us... INCLUDING YOU... to pay higher premiums to replenish the pool.

Now if you had to pay those costs directly, YOU would be SCREAMING for a pre-exiting condition clause.

But you live in a myth. The myth that you don't pay those costs. You live in a mythical world where the insurance company pays those costs.

WRONG! YOU pay those costs. The insurance company passes all of those costs right along to you. That's why the insurance companies created pre-existing condition clauses. So that you don't have to pay for Bob being irresponsible.

But of course you people on the lest were so stupid, you forced the companies to accept everyone. And the politicians knew that it would drive up costs, which is why they put in place controls on premiums.... so now the companies are leaving, and you won't have insurance at all.

Brilliant. Brain dead idiotic fools.... There is nothing a capitalist system can't build and grow, that a mindless left-wing ape, can't tear down and destroy. Soviet ruins... here we come.

What is making health costs go up is not only the corruption with medical costs, and drugs..by our dumb ass congress siding with the people who funded their campaign .
but by the uninsured going to the Emergency Room for expensive treatment, ( less expensive at the doctors office) and never paying the bill...

We get charged for that..
 

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