Leaked details of draft peace plan give Putin what he wants

[Slade3200]

Do you think Putin would let Russia fall to Ukraine without going all in?.... now who is being foolish?...

Are you implying that there was a threat of Ukraine taking over Russia??

 

[Slade3200]

Trump knows how to negotiate and it's way over your head.

Trump isn't really negotiating, he is just trying to end the war so he can brag that he ended the war. He is fine giving Russia whatever they want and bullying Ukraine into submission if thats what it takes.

I can't respect ending a war through forcing Ukraine into submission to the Russian aggressors. All that does is reward Russia and justify their initiation of the war. It will promote those actions in the future. Give China a green light to go after Taiwan... Give Russia the green light to go after Ukraine at a later date. Its just a bad way handle this situation.

 

[Rambunctious]

Are you implying that there was a threat of Ukraine taking over Russia??

No not without our help.... but when the cougar is cornered that is when the fight comes out... I can't believe we have people in Washington that can't see where this is going... a deal needs to be made before that happens.... I have grandchildren and I don't want them to be living through a world war..... and we shouldn't ever help a nation that steals the money we give them.... not one more dime....

 

[Slade3200]

No not without our help.... but when the cougar is cornered that is when the fight comes out... I can't believe we have people in Washington that can't see where this is going... a deal needs to be made before that happens.... I have grandchildren and I don't want them to be living through a world war..... and we shouldn't ever help a nation that steals the money we give them.... not one more dime....

What in the world are you talking about?! Russia was never under threat of being taken over by Ukraine. They have always wanted to get Ukraine back. They were the aggressors here. We were not trying to help Ukraine take over Russia, that is an absurd notion.

A statement needs to be made that it is not OK to attack a free nation without provocation. For us to participate in helping Russia get a surrender and claim victory in that war is sending the message that it is OK to do what Russia did. It is going to encourage other countries like China to do the same. Without the USA and our Allies standing up for what is right it is only going to encourage bad actors to do wrong. That is what will threaten a world war in the future.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Yes, the tax cuts were just fine. A bit lopsided, geared towards corporations… and the cap on real estate deductions screwed a lot of home owners making them pay more.

Someone wealthy like you complaining about the cap on real estate deductions seems hypocritical. Trump didn't cause me to pay more on my home taxes and I live in a Blue State. Those tax cuts helped me a tremendous amount in my middle income bracket. That's why I voted for Trump and I'm glad I did.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Your BS is rejected.

Putin started the war.

Putin has been encroaching into Ukraine since 2014.

He has made his imperial ambitions longer than that.

And your beloved fuhrer has offered up Putin’s dreams on a plate, and asked for nothing in return.

Trump is squandering our respect and influence in the world, Giving in to the aggressor, in the most cowardly manner. And kowtowing to Russia, which is weakened and vulnerable.

You forgot that Putin waited until Biden was the president of the United States before he invaded. It was because of Biden's weakness. It is going to take Trump some time to recover, for us, our standing in the world, from the inept and incompetent Biden Administration, but we will, together, make America great again, despite people like you.

 

[Rambunctious]

What in the world are you talking about?! Russia was never under threat of being taken over by Ukraine. They have always wanted to get Ukraine back. They were the aggressors here. We were not trying to help Ukraine take over Russia, that is an absurd notion.

A statement needs to be made that it is not OK to attack a free nation without provocation. For us to participate in helping Russia get a surrender and claim victory in that war is sending the message that it is OK to do what Russia did. It is going to encourage other countries like China to do the same. Without the USA and our Allies standing up for what is right it is only going to encourage bad actors to do wrong. That is what will threaten a world war in the future.

What happens in war?... one nation wins and the other loses isin't that the intent?... then what are you talking about?.... if with our continued help Russia is feeling beaten they will go all out just like we would... why is that so hard for you people to understand?...
A beaten Russia is a dangerous Russia just like it would be for any nation.... Putin will never accept defeat its not in him... and he has nukes...
Is the quest to watch Putin lose worth it all to you?...

 

[schmidlap]

Another lie that cannot be documented:

57% trust their president. Yeah, that sounds like a legitimate number. I mean, it's not like the poll could have been rigged, or anything. PUTZ

Many of Trump’s early actions are unpopular, Post-Ipsos poll finds​

... reviews from Americans are mixed to negative on many of his specific initiatives, and 57 percent say he has exceeded his authority since taking office.

Overall, 43 percent of Americans say they support what the president has done during his first month in office...

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Those who strongly oppose outnumber those who strongly support by 37 percent to 27 percent...

Those unhappy with the direction he is taking the country say they fear Trump is allowing billionaire Elon Musk to dismantle critical government programs... most Americans agree with the view that he has exceeded his authority... About 2 in 3 say Trump should have to get approval from Congress to freeze funding for programs previously approved by Congress and past presidents.

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[CrazyTrader55]

Trump isn't really negotiating, he is just trying to end the war so he can brag that he ended the war. He is fine giving Russia whatever they want and bullying Ukraine into submission if thats what it takes.

I can't respect ending a war through forcing Ukraine into submission to the Russian aggressors. All that does is reward Russia and justify their initiation of the war. It will promote those actions in the future. Give China a green light to go after Taiwan... Give Russia the green light to go after Ukraine at a later date. Its just a bad way handle this situation.

So the alternative is that a lot of people will continue to die, because you can't stand to see Trump get the credit.

 

[schmidlap]

So the alternative is that a lot of people will continue to die, because you can't stand to see Trump get the credit.

Yes, vast numbers of people who depend on USAID will die, but the azzhole should get the credit.

... 58 percent of respondents opposed laying off large numbers of federal workers. And Musk, Trump’s most high-profile adviser, is not getting good marks either: Just 34 percent of respondents in the Post poll approved of Musk’s role in the federal government, while 54 percent of respondents in the CNN poll said it was bad for Trump to have given the SpaceX CEO a prominent role in his administration.

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Americans also remain skeptical of Trump’s handling of an issue the public has long said is among the most important: high prices. In the CNN survey, 62 percent of respondents — including 47 percent of Republicans — said the president has not done enough to try to reduce the prices of everyday goods.

And tariffs, perhaps Trump’s signature economic issue so far, aren’t seen as a solution: 69 percent of respondents in the Post poll said tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China would make products in the U.S. more expensive.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/20/cnn-washington-post-polls-trump-approval-00205169

 

[Slade3200]

What happens in war?... one nation wins and the other loses isin't that the intent?... then what are you talking about?.... if with our continued help Russia is feeling beaten they will go all out just like we would... why is that so hard for you people to understand?...
A beaten Russia is a dangerous Russia just like it would be for any nation.... Putin will never accept defeat its not in him... and he has nukes...
Is the quest to watch Putin lose worth it all to you?...

A beaten Russia is exactly how this conflict should end. With a clear message from the WORLD that it is not OK to invade sovereign countries without provocation.

An even better outcome would be for the people of Russia to react in a way to overthrow Putin and his murderous regime and install a government more representative of the needs of the people.

 

[Slade3200]

So the alternative is that a lot of people will continue to die, because you can't stand to see Trump get the credit.

It has nothing to do with who gets the "credit" the only person who cares about that is Trump. This conflict needs to end in a way that sends a message to Russia and other authoritarian countries that it is NOT OK to invade other countries just to take over their territory. Otherwise Taiwan is next and who knows what else.

 

[otto105]

Trump isn't really negotiating, he is just trying to end the war so he can brag that he ended the war. He is fine giving Russia whatever they want and bullying Ukraine into submission if thats what it takes.

I can't respect ending a war through forcing Ukraine into submission to the Russian aggressors. All that does is reward Russia and justify their initiation of the war. It will promote those actions in the future. Give China a green light to go after Taiwan... Give Russia the green light to go after Ukraine at a later date. Its just a bad way handle this situation.

Shitler! is a surrender monkey.

 

[meaner gene]

What happens in war?... one nation wins and the other loses isin't that the intent?... then what are you talking about?.... if with our continued help Russia is feeling beaten they will go all out just like we would... why is that so hard for you people to understand?...
A beaten Russia is a dangerous Russia just like it would be for any nation.... Putin will never accept defeat its not in him... and he has nukes...
Is the quest to watch Putin lose worth it all to you?...

Putin is losing on the economic front, not the battlefront.
Putin is begging North Korea and Iran for help.
And you can use nukes against economic sanctions.

 

[meaner gene]

You forgot that Putin waited until Biden was the president of the United States before he invaded. It was because of Biden's weakness. It is going to take Trump some time to recover, for us, our standing in the world, from the inept and incompetent Biden Administration, but we will, together, make America great again, despite people like you.

Actually you have it backwards.
As we've seen with the current negotiations, Trump would hand Ukraine over to Putin. So Putin had no reason to use the military, when Trump was going to just give him anything he wanted.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Actually you have it backwards.
As we've seen with the current negotiations, Trump would hand Ukraine over to Putin. So Putin had no reason to use the military, when Trump was going to just give him anything he wanted.

You forgot about the weak and feckless Biden Administration. Did you vote for that?

 

[meaner gene]

You forgot about the weak and feckless Biden Administration. Did you vote for that?

Putin took Georgia under George W. Bush.

Are you going to say Bush was weak?

The August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Georgia, was a war waged against Georgia by the Russian Federation and the Russian-backed separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

 

[meaner gene]

Trump knows how to negotiate and it's way over your head.

What happened to Trumps claim that as president he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours?
Trump claimed he would do it by having Russia and Ukraine sit down together at the negotiating table, because both were eager to end the war.

 

[Slade3200]

What happened to Trumps claim that as president he would end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours?
Trump claimed he would do it by having Russia and Ukraine sit down together at the negotiating table, because both were eager to end the war.

That was obvious hot air and fake campaign rhetoric. It amazes me if anybody really believes his crap at this point.

 

[meaner gene]

That was obvious hot air and fake campaign rhetoric. It amazes me if anybody really believes his crap at this point.

Enough people believed Trumps promises to get him elected.
And Trump made a shitload of promises, from huge tax cuts, to bringing down prices very quickly.