Leaked details of draft peace plan give Putin what he wants

[PeterPilot]

Thats complete bullshit... Bombing Ukraine and killing innocent people is not protecting his homeland. He wanted the land back. He was unprovoked and the obvious aggressor.

You are ignorant of history in that region of the world sir, a typical American.

 

[PeterPilot]

Why is Z bad? Cause he is trying to save his country from a tyrant.

I asked you first Jim. Can you answer? Why is Russia the enemy? There was a time when stranded US astronauts were returned to earth by Russian spacecraft. Does that make them the enemy? They lost more men and treasure in defeating Hitler. Does that make them the enemy?

 

[Slade3200]

No... why now?... what was the trigger... our media is completely uncurious wouldn't you say?...
My guess is our CIA had something to do with triggering Russia into this action...
The USA has been working to surround Russia with democracies and we should not be doing that... the cold war days are over but we have diehards in our government who still want the glory of war with Russia... they can't go to war themselves so they want Ukraine to do it for them... there is nothing right about that...

We shouldn't be working to surround Russia by Democracies?! what in the world are you talking about?

Yes, Putin is triggered by democracies and see's them as a threat. The more the Russian people want their voices to be heard and the more that promote a democratic system and freedom the more of a threat his regime is under. But that doesn't mean that the US supporting democracies and freedom has anything to do with Russia. Our country was founded on principles of freedom and democracy. It's what we have always promoted.

We know how Putin rules. We know he is a bad dude. We know Russia is a threat. Why are you making excuses for them and trying to lay fault on us?

 

[Slade3200]

Putin's a bad guy, no argument! But so is Zelensky.

What are you trying to say?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Why is Z bad? Cause he is trying to save his country from a tyrant.

Then let him do it without our billions of taxpayer money to launder. And tyrant describes Zelensky also.

 

[PeterPilot]

Wow Slade, you are thoroughly brainwashed by Deep State propaganda.

 

[Slade3200]

You are ignorant of history in that region of the world sir, a typical American.

What kind of argument is that? Replying by calling somebody ignorant with nothing to back it up is a waste of space. Do better.

 

[Slade3200]

Wow Slade, you are thoroughly brainwashed by Deep State propaganda.

Another empty comment. are you capable of making a substantive argument?

 

[PeterPilot]

What kind of argument is that? Replying by calling somebody ignorant with nothing to back it up is a waste of space. Do better.

It's not really an argument, it's just a statement of fact. Logical argument does not work with humans in denial of facts.

 

[Rambunctious]

We shouldn't be working to surround Russia by Democracies?! what in the world are you talking about?

Yes, Putin is triggered by democracies and see's them as a threat. The more the Russian people want their voices to be heard and the more that promote a democratic system and freedom the more of a threat his regime is under. But that doesn't mean that the US supporting democracies and freedom has anything to do with Russia. Our country was founded on principles of freedom and democracy. It's what we have always promoted.

We know how Putin rules. We know he is a bad dude. We know Russia is a threat. Why are you making excuses for them and trying to lay fault on us?

How would you like living your last days on earth while the world is at war?... does that sound like fun to you?...
Russia with Ukraine or without is not a threat to the USA or Europe...

 

[CrazyTrader55]

What are you trying to say?

Did I stutter?

 

[Slade3200]

It's not really an argument, it's just a statement of fact. Logical argument does not work with humans in denial of facts.

Interesting so in your world we can just make statements and pretend they are facts with nothing to back them up?!

Wow, let me try... I'm right and you're wrong. I win.

Ok, that was easy!

 

[Slade3200]

Did I stutter?

You made a statement with no context to its relevance. Ok you think Z is a bad dude. So what? What is your point?

 

[PeterPilot]

Interesting so in your world we can just make statements and pretend they are facts with nothing to back them up?!

Wow, let me try... I'm right and you're wrong. I win.

Ok, that was easy!

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

I discovered that simple fact 30 years ago.

 

[Slade3200]

How would you like living your last days on earth while the world is at war?... does that sound like fun to you?...
Russia with Ukraine or without is not a threat to the USA or Europe...

I would not like it. It does not sound fun. Why did you ask those questions and divert from the conversation we were having?

 

[Slade3200]

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink. You can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.

I discovered that simple fact 30 years ago.

You aren't leading anything or dropping any substance. You're making statements and proclamations with zero back up and just claiming they are fact. Thats meaningless. Back up your arguments if you want to be taken seriously because what you're doing makes it looking like you don't have the intellectual chops to back anything you say up.

 

[Rambunctious]

I would not like it. It does not sound fun. Why did you ask those questions and divert from the conversation we were having?

Because the only path to a Russian defeat is through a third world war...

 

[Slade3200]

Because the only path to a Russian defeat is through a third world war...

Or a civil war where the people revolt and overthrow the communist regime

 

[Rambunctious]

Or a civil war where the people revolt and overthrow the communist regime

Do you think Putin would let Russia fall to Ukraine without going all in?.... now who is being foolish?...

 

[otto105]

Trump knows how to negotiate and it's way over your head.

Does a negotiation start with one side giving away all leverage?