Zone1 Lawlessness Is Not Compassionate

[rightwinger]

So you would dare lock your doors, but don’t allow our country to do the same?

What are you, the devil?

Coward.

I lock my doors in case Republicans try to break in.
I hear Republicans eat cats and dogs and I need to protect my pets.

 

[HeyNorm]

rightwinger is neither devil nor coward. Note he freely takes a swing at Republicans but gives a pass to illegal immigrants. Perhaps that is because he views Republicans as the 'haves' and illegal immigrants as the 'have nots'. He is not in the arena, but he sides with illegal immigrants over American citizens, perhaps believing most citizens fall into the 'have' category. It's neither devilish nor cowardly to have a generous heart. My perspective is that this is a situation that he doesn't fully understand all the ramifications. So, all he may be guilty of is naivete.

He just doesn’t want to live the way he says everyone else must.

No, that’s a coward.

 

[BreezeWood]

I hear Republicans eat cats and dogs and I need to protect my pets.

don't be so selfish - they are hungry and can't blame biden for sleeping through work and not getting paid.

 

[HeyNorm]

I lock my doors in case Republicans try to break in.
I hear Republicans eat cats and dogs and I need to protect my pets.

I hear that you think so highly of yourself that you would rather watch women burned alive in subways than lose a pet.

Loser

 

[HeyNorm]

jesus knew what was crime and sin ...

not sour sue et al ...

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their hearts lie with the junta to solve what those poor people need to know about keeping their place - whether starving or not.

The guy that set the sleeping woman on fire in the subway, then watched her burn to death, was poor. I’m sure you are sympathetic to him, aye?

 

[BreezeWood]

I hear that you think so highly of yourself that you would rather watch women burned alive in subways than lose a pet.

Loser

norm ... found a job yet.

 

[HeyNorm]

norm ... found a job yet.

Goin on 50 years.

What else ya got.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus was a migrant

Jesus and his parents fled to Egypt to escape King Herod's persecution and the genocide of baby boys in Bethlehem.

His parents fled WITHIN THE EMPIRE. Much as if one of your abortion seekers fled from Alabama to liberal California.

 

[SweetSue92]

You keep spreading the hate and fear mongering against migrants
Eating cats and dogs is not enough?

You lost the argument.

 

[SweetSue92]

I lock my doors in case Republicans try to break in.
I hear Republicans eat cats and dogs and I need to protect my pets.

You lost. Crawl away.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The claim that Christians are immoral for not wanting our nation filled up with illegal immigrants is ignorant and disingenuous.

From start to finish, the Bible is a book of laws. Jesus Himself said, "Don't think I came to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."--Matthew 5:17

God is a God of mercy AND of justice. Christians practice this with prison ministry, for example. We minister to criminals while not condoning the crime. We can and will "meet people where they are" without demanding that murder be made legal (?!).

Yet liberals demand we accept illegal immigrants into our nation with free housing, food, education, etc. This is not compassionate; it is lawbreaking. We have a system of asylum that demonstrates compassion WHILE YET upholding the law.

If anyone could present a rational argument as to why this is wrong, rather than just whining and name-calling, I'm all ears.

The claim that Christians are immoral for not wanting our nation filled up with illegal immigrants is ignorant and disingenuous.

It's even more ignorant and disingenuous when you pretend that they're coming here to the empire due to some character deficiency or inherent, systemic problem that originates ONLY with them. Bigoted White Americans like to pretend that their beloved, GODLY, PERFECT, INNOCENT nation, had nothing to do with it, WHEN IT DOES.

The same flawed analysis is common among Europeans, who complain about all of those Muslims and Africans migrating to Europe. They hate the fact that their continent is being overrun by tens of millions of dark-skinned, alien...

Arabs and Africans, but do they ever ask WHY? No, they just complain and pretend they're innocent little lambs, whose governments supposedly didn't do anything wrong recently against these "dark aliens" who are migrating to their beautiful, White, European countries.

Add several unnecessary wars to the above critique by the Italian Prime Minister. ​

From start to finish, the Bible is a book of laws. Jesus Himself said, "Don't think I came to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."--Matthew 5:17

We're not under the old covenant anymore, so Matthew is saying that the law is fulfilled and made complete in Jesus Christ. Yes, there is the law of Christ, and Christians should also follow the laws of the land in which they live, provided it doesn't violate God's law.

God is a God of mercy AND of justice. Christians practice this with prison ministry, for example. We minister to criminals while not condoning the crime. We can and will "meet people where they are" without demanding that murder be made legal (?!).
Yet liberals demand we accept illegal immigrants into our nation with free housing, food, education, etc. This is not compassionate; it is lawbreaking. We have a system of asylum that demonstrates compassion WHILE YET upholding the law.

I agree with you, however, we need to also address the conditions that compel people to leave their home countries and come here. If we do that and help them improve their situation, they're much more likely to remain over there in their own countries and not come here.

If anyone could present a rational argument as to why this is wrong, rather than just whining and name-calling, I'm all ears.

There's no rational argument that justifies open borders and not enforcing our immigration laws. Notwithstanding, again, we also need to look at the source of the problem, and if we discover that we are part of that problem, we should change our foreign policy and stop contributing to those negative conditions, that cause people to come here illegally.

I'm not suggesting that the United States is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE, for what is happening in many Latin American countries, because that would be an exaggeration and simply not true. But we do have, to a certain extent, a hand in what is happening in those "perpetually developing" third-world countries (not just in Latin America but in other continents as well).

Example.....Elon Musk:

H-1B visa = Brain Drain. The American capitalist ruling elites, drain, and extract, the best minds, and talent from third-world countries, in order to save money on labor, because an American doing the same job, would get paid more, and would have worker rights, and expect more benefits (like healthcare, sick leave, yearly vacations), maybe even a labor union representing them.

So Elon and his ilk will bring in cheap, highly exploitable labor, consisting of the very best those poor countries have. The average Joe in those developing third-world countries, that doesn't come here on an H-1B visa, ends up living in a "perpetually developing"/impoverished nation that lacks experts, scientists, engineers..etc. The empire "drains" the brains of those countries. That's just one example of several reasons as to why the American capitalist ruling class and their corrupt cronies in our government, are partly responsible for all of this illegal immigration.

This is just one example, of several other factors that we (Americans), as well as Canadians, and Europeans, are contributing to all of the illegal immigration to Western "White Countries". We're not completely responsible, but at least partly.

 

[SweetSue92]

It's even more ignorant and disingenuous when you pretend that they're coming here to the empire due to some character deficiency or inherent, systemic problem that originates ONLY with them. Bigoted White Americans like to pretend that their beloved, GODLY, PERFECT, INNOCENT nation, had nothing to do with it, WHEN IT DOES.

The same flawed analysis is common among Europeans, who complain about all of those Muslims and Africans migrating to Europe. They hate the fact that their continent is being overrun by tens of millions of dark-skinned, alien...

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Arabs and Africans, but do they ever ask WHY? No, they just complain and pretend they're innocent little lambs, whose governments supposedly didn't do anything wrong recently against these "dark aliens" who are migrating to their beautiful, White, European countries.

Add several unnecessary wars to the above critique by the Italian Prime Minister. ​

We're not under the old covenant anymore, so Matthew is saying that the law is fulfilled and made complete in Jesus Christ. Yes, there is the law of Christ, and Christians should also follow the laws of the land in which they live, provided it doesn't violate God's law.



I agree with you, however, we need to also address the conditions that compel people to leave their home countries and come here. If we do that and help them improve their situation, they're much more likely to remain over there in their own countries and not come here.



There's no rational argument that justifies open borders and not enforcing our immigration laws. Notwithstanding, again, we also need to look at the source of the problem, and if we discover that we are part of that problem, we should change our foreign policy and stop contributing to those negative conditions, that cause people to come here illegally.

I'm not suggesting that the United States is COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE, for what is happening in many Latin American countries, because that would be an exaggeration and simply not true. But we do have, to a certain extent, a hand in what is happening in those "perpetually developing" third-world countries (not just in Latin America but in other continents as well).

Example.....Elon Musk:

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H-1B visa = Brain Drain. The American capitalist ruling elites, drain, and extract, the best minds, and talent from third-world countries, in order to save money on labor, because an American doing the same job, would get paid more, and would have worker rights, and expect more benefits (like healthcare, sick leave, yearly vacations), maybe even a labor union representing them.

So Elon and his ilk will bring in cheap, highly exploitable labor, consisting of the very best those poor countries have. The average Joe in those developing third-world countries, that doesn't come here on an H-1B visa, ends up living in a "perpetually developing"/impoverished nation that lacks experts, scientists, engineers..etc. The empire "drains" the brains of those countries. That's just one example of several reasons as to why the American capitalist ruling class and their corrupt cronies in our government, are partly responsible for all of this illegal immigration.

This is just one example, of several other factors that we (Americans), as well as Canadians, and Europeans, are contributing to all of the illegal immigration to Western "White Countries". We're not completely responsible, but at least partly.

I don't know who you're talking too but I think racism is dumb and have made that abundantly clear on this site. I don't care what color aliens are. I don't care if they all come from Congo or Denmark. If they're here illegally, they have committed a crime.

 

[rightwinger]

You lost. Crawl away.

I have as much evidence that Republicans are breaking in and eating cats and dogs as Trump has that Haitian migrants are doing it.

I have as much of a right to claim it as Trump does

 

[SweetSue92]

I have as much evidence that Republicans are breaking in and eating cats and dogs as Trump has that Haitian migrants are doing it.

I have as much of a right to claim it as Trump does

Defend the argument in the OP or crawl away in shame.

 

[rightwinger]

Defend the argument in the OP or crawl away in shame.

Do you have any proof that Republicans eat fewer cats and dogs than Haitian immigrants?

For me, I’m keeping Republicans away from my pets

 

[SweetSue92]

Do you have any proof that Republicans eat fewer cats and dogs than Haitian immigrants?

For me, I’m keeping Republicans away from my pets

Defend the argument in the OP or crawl away in shame.

 

[rightwinger]

Defend the argument in the OP or crawl away in shame.

Already have…..Shot you down in post #2

 

[SweetSue92]

Already have…..

No you haven't. You called names and ran people down. Because there is no rational defense of my argument.

 

[SweetSue92]

Already have…..Shot you down in post #2

"Jesus was a migrant" is not an argument. Plus, it's in error.

 

[sparky]

H-1B visa = Brain Drain. The American capitalist ruling elites, drain, and extract, the best minds, and talent from third-world countries, in order to save money on labor, because an American doing the same job, would get paid more, and would have worker rights, and expect more benefits (like healthcare, sick leave, yearly vacations), maybe even a labor union representing them.

you forgot student debt, which many H-1B don't have Truth....... but i digress ......the program indeed allows for the prostitution of cheap labor.

Just what economic impact insourcing has has been just as much a debate as outsourcing

That said, it is a legal means of entry to the USofA , albeit the eligibility , duration, and annual cap seem to be moving targets

H-1B visa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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