Zone1 Lawlessness Is Not Compassionate

[rightwinger]

Why do you say that?

Maybe because he looked after the poor, lepers, the sick

 

[Carl in Michigan]

"Im not going back to Haiti!"

 

[JoeB131]

No, I don't see it that way. My focus is on the underlying problem of immigration, specifically open borders. Open borders cause problems that theorists supporting open borders because it is "humanitarian" are clearly ignorant of, or dismiss as having to break a lot of eggs, but shouldn't "compassion" win the day? Complacent theorists (being above the trenches) haven't a clue of the burdensome realities and problems inherent in open borders.

except none of the burdens you whine about are really that big of a deal. They just aren't.

Here's the problem.

We have jobs.

They have Bodies.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Were open borders originally thought of as the solution to the problems you described in an earlier post? Are our immigration laws and procedures so onerous as to no longer being the welcome and ushering in of immigrants (legal)? Then, that is the problem that should be being addressed. Open borders isn't the solution as it causes many more problems, so what can make the legal immigration process run smoothly? You may have some ideas about that.

Here's the thing you guys don't get. 41% of "illegal immigrants" were at one time legal immigrants. They didn't sneak over an Open Border, they came here on a legal visa that they overstayed.

This is where it appears you guys learned not a thing from Prohibition. The illegality of alcohol caused people like Al Capone, because people still wanted alcohol and didn't care who provided it.

Same problem with illegal immigration. It's a pain in the ass to get all those documents together. I had to pay $4000 and get together 200 pages of documentation just to switch Mrs. B131 from "Asylum case pending" to "relative sponsorship."

So imagine you are a farmer or a factory owner, instead of a loving husband, do you...

1) Fill out tons of documents hoping that the government will approve your H2A or H2B work permit.

or

2) Just hire some guy off the street if his papers look good enough, knowing that he's going to be gone by the time the government matches up his I-9 to the real person.

Why do you doubt this?

It's been decades since I did this study, but recall Joseph was a carpenter, which included stone masonry and simply hauling rocks. It wasn't always working with wood. Note at the time, a lot of renovation was still being done on Herod's Temple, although the main construction was complete. There was a community of Jews in Egypt who were also building a temple. Remember, the (real) Temple for Jews was meant to be in Jerusalem, but there was work being done (carpentry, masonry, hauling rocks) being done on in this building in Egypt.

Here's an idea: Being in reach of Herod was getting risky. Or, perhaps, not as many carpenters were needed as work now centered on the perimeters of the Temple. Carpentry workers were needed in that Jewish community in Egypt. Joseph needed work; the family would be safer out of Herod's reach. Why not move (or migrate) to the Jewish settlement in Egypt.

That's some lovely bible fan-fic you got there, but the problem is the "slaughter of the innocents" was an invention by the Author of Matthew's Gospel. It is not recorded in any other source, including the history of Josephus.

So more likely, Matthew was cribbing off Mark, and realized he needed story in there that paralleled the story in Exodus of how Moses avoided Pharoahs' wrath.

Luke, on the other hand, tells a completely different story, no wise men, no Herod slaughtering babies, nobody fleeing to Egypt.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nothing in the NT would ever justify Christians doing that ... That, however, doesn't imply that Christianity is false or not based on divine truth.

for another thread - there was not a self sacrifice by jesus, what do you claim divine in any of the desert bibles ...

yes, christianity, those churches in south america particularly catholic are responsible for the mass graves of innocent citizens murdered by brutal dictatorships installed by them as proxies for u s gov't - than adherence to legitimate election results - same as the responses in this thread those that cringe about biden.

- there has never been a repentant christian in the history of modern civilization.

 

[hadit]

read it again----you are confused

IMO----Trump overstated the criminality of Haitian migrants---
but just that "overstated" an unfortunate fact, the ramifications
of which now fall on his head.

I have read it, many times. They had to make a long journey on foot in the late term of Mary's pregnancy to pay their taxes. Why is that even controversial?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

read it again----you are confused

IMO----Trump overstated the criminality of Haitian migrants---
but just that "overstated" an unfortunate fact, the ramifications
of which now fall on his head.

Even you are incapable of differentiating between legal migrants and illegal aliens?

This stuff doesn't even deserve to be debated. They are not here legally. The adults are back. And it's time for them to go home

 

[sparky]

Here's the thing you guys don't get. 41% of "illegal immigrants" were at one time legal immigrants. They didn't sneak over an Open Border, they came here on a legal visa that they overstayed.

Then they're illegals Joe

Which is exactly why one of our finest is dead now>>>>

Federal prosecutors file charges in probe of fatal shooting of border patrol agent in Vermont - VTDigger

A Washington state woman faces two felony charges stemming from the investigation into the death of Agent David C. Maland on Monday. She has not been charged with Maland’s killing.

vtdigger.org

Bauckholt, according to the court filing, “appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database.”

~S~

 

[ding]

You haven't read your Bible?

I have read my bible. What did Jesus do to ease human suffering?

 

[ding]

Maybe because he looked after the poor, lepers, the sick

Did he eliminate poverty, leprosy and sickness?

If it is as you say, he eased human suffering, why didn't he eliminate suffering?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I have read my bible. What did Jesus do to ease human suffering?

Thank you.
Libs have zero understanding as to why Jesus came to this earth

 

[Meriweather]

except none of the burdens you whine about are really that big of a deal. They just aren't.

They are. But there is no talking to you about anything.

 

[rightwinger]

Did he eliminate poverty, leprosy and sickness?

If it is as you say, he eased human suffering, why didn't he eliminate suffering?

 

[ding]

That's not an option he gave you.

 

[SweetSue92]

Thank you.
Libs have zero understanding as to why Jesus came to this earth

Exactly.

The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.--Matthew 26:11

Jesus did care for the poor, but His greater ministry is to save people by his sacrifice.

Of course Leftists think He came to increase the power of the govt

 

[TruthNotBS]

I have read my bible. What did Jesus do to ease human suffering?

According to the Bible, he saved his disciples from hell, and he motivated them to serve humanity, spreading His gospel and feeding the poor, housing the homeless..etc. As a Christian, in general, if you see someone who is suffering, or in need you should do something to help them.

 

[ding]

According to the Bible, he saved his disciples from hell, and he motivated them to serve humanity, spreading His gospel and feeding the poor, housing the homeless..etc. As a Christian, in general, if you see someone who is suffering, or in need you should do something to help them.

Saving us from hell doesn't ease human suffering. He didn't end hunger, homelessness or poverty.

I'm not arguing against we shouldn't be charitable. I'm arguing his mission wasn't to ease human suffering nor did he ease human suffering. Did he ease the suffering of a relatively few number of individuals? Sure.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Saving us from hell doesn't ease human suffering. He didn't end hunger, homelessness or poverty.

I'm not arguing against we shouldn't be charitable. I'm arguing his mission wasn't to ease human suffering nor did he ease human suffering. Did he ease the suffering of a relatively few number of individuals? Sure.

You're not reading your Bible.

1. Jesus’ Invitation to the Weary​

Matthew 11:28–30 (ESV)

“Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

This is the well-known passage where Jesus promises spiritual rest and relief from life’s burdens to those who follow Him.

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2. Jesus’ Gift of Peace​

John 14:27 (ESV)

“Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.”

Jesus offers an inner peace that transcends circumstances (and thus can alleviate suffering at the level of the human heart and mind).

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3. Jesus’ Mission to the Poor and Oppressed​

Luke 4:18–19 (ESV)
(Quoting Isaiah 61:1–2, which Jesus reads in the synagogue)

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

From the outset, Jesus’ public ministry included a focus on relieving the suffering of the oppressed and needy (physically and spiritually).

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4. The Early Church’s Sharing and Charity​

The Book of Acts shows how the first Christians put Jesus’ teachings into action:

Acts 2:44–45 (ESV)

“And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.”

Acts 4:34–35 (ESV)

“There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.”

Here we see the early believers ensuring that no one lacked necessities. This is a direct physical alleviation of suffering within their community.

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5. The Command to Serve “the Least of These”​

Matthew 25:31–46 (ESV)
(The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats)

“For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me… Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.”
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“Then he will say to those on his left [the goats], ‘Depart from me… For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink…’”

Jesus ties the tangible acts of helping the needy, feeding, clothing, housing, and caring, to faithfulness to Himself. Failing to help the suffering results in condemnation (the goats), showing that Jesus sees caring for human suffering as central to Christian obedience.

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6. Providing for Brothers and Sisters in Need​

1 John 3:16–18 (ESV)

“By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.”

This passage explicitly teaches that seeing someone in need and refusing to help is inconsistent with possessing God’s love. It’s an instruction to ease suffering whenever we can.

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7. Faith in Action: Practical Help​

James 2:14–17 (ESV)

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, ‘Go in peace, be warmed and filled,’ without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”

James emphasizes that mere words are not enough. True faith expresses itself in meeting practical, physical needs.

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8. Promise of Reward (and Increase) for Sacrifice​

Mark 10:29–30 (ESV)

“Jesus said, ‘Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time… and in the age to come eternal life.’”

Jesus here promises both present blessings (“now in this time”) and eternal life to those who follow Him sacrificially. It implies that following Jesus comes with a supportive spiritual family and often physical provision within the body of believers.

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9. Jesus the Good Shepherd (Protection and Care)​

John 10:11, 27–28 (ESV)

“I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep…”
…
“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.”

This is more spiritual in nature but still addresses Jesus’ protective and nurturing role for those who trust in Him. “Good shepherd” imagery includes caring for physical and emotional needs (safety, provision, leadership).

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10. Isaiah 58: The True Fast​

Though in the Old Testament, Isaiah 58 clarifies God’s heart on “true fasting”—that it involves caring for those who suffer. This directly connects to the New Testament emphasis on practical mercy.

Isaiah 58:6–7 (ESV)

“Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?”

Jesus’ teachings (and those of the apostles) carry forward this same principle of selfless love and compassion for others.


There are many other verses in the Bible, both in the OT and NT, that state God alleviates suffering, and commands His people to do the same.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus did care for the poor, but His greater ministry is to save people by his sacrifice.

not an ounce of truth, self determination, liberation theology is what jesus teaches - the refutation of false commandments and the religion of apartheid, hereditary idolatry - judaism is why they were crucified.

 

[JoeB131]

Then they're illegals Joe

Which is exactly why one of our finest is dead now>>>>

Bauckholt, according to the court filing, “appeared to have an expired visa in a Department of Homeland Security database.”

~S~

Naw, he's dead because his AMERICAN girlfriend was able to buy a gun and he was hit by his fellow cops when they had a shootout.

They are. But there is no talking to you about anything.

Sure there is. But "I don't want to live next door to brown people" isn't a burden, it's just your hangup.

You need to check with your Church, they are the biggest advocates for immigrant rights these days, probably because old White Catholics aren't putting asses in pews anymore.

 

[irosie91]

Even you are incapable of differentiating between legal migrants and illegal aliens?

This stuff doesn't even deserve to be debated. They are not here legally. The adults are back. And it's time for them to go home

it is being debated -----time for you to face reality