Late news on how Putin is faring

[Zavulon]

1. Allowing russians who want to leave Ukraine to leave and emigrate to Russia, would be a completely reasonable point for Russia to push for.

No. Allowing some of Ukrainian nazies flew in Argentina and Canada with few years of handicap before Russia starts hunting them there. All Ukrainian nazies who are staying on the territory of the former Ukraine - to be eliminated.

2. You're not getting nato out of eastern europe. Not at this point in time. Your position is no where strong enough to make that demand.

You are withdrawing NATO forces (especially medium range missiles) from eastern Europe by yourself. Formal membership of those countries might be continuing. If no, we are going to eliminate both USA and NATO. Our position is strong enough, because we can do it with relatively small and acceptable losses.

 

[BackAgain]

May be. May be not. Actually, if we attack you first we'll suffer rather modest and acceptable damage. You know, it's like playing Russian roulette. If we play - we have five chances out of six to win. If we don't play - we have no chances at all. In the worst case we'll have a good company in Hell. In the best case you are dead and we are not.

Your ignorance is astounding. If your imbecile leader launches first (from any location or locations on Earth) the response will be the destruction of Russia and all of their known launch sites.

The practical effect will be a nuclear winter and most of the population of all lands will be practically wiped out.

And you go right ahead and trust Russian technology and shelters. But Chernobyl is a good indication of their reliability.

 

[Zavulon]

Your ignorance is astounding. If your imbecile leader launches first (from any location or locations on Earth) the response will be the destruction of Russia and all of their known launch sites.

If we launch first, and by this first strike destroy all, or almost all your nukes, your retaliation will be weakened, and partly intercepted by ABD systems.

The practical effect will be a nuclear winter and most of the population of all lands will be practically wiped out.

Actually, "nuclear winter" is rather stupid pseudo scientific conception, based on some obviously false ideas. As a matter of fact, the undrerwater bursts of 12 gigaton-class torpedoes will cause evaporation of the enormous amounts of water, and "nuclear summer". Anyway, winter (even nuclear) isn't a thing that can scary Russians.

And you go right ahead and trust Russian technology and shelters. But Chernobyl is a good indication of their reliability.

And what is the problem with Chernobyl? Anyway getting our chances in nuclear roulette is much better than have no chances at all, by allowing NATO countries and their proxies continue their genocide of Russians.

 

[BackAgain]

If we launch first, and by this first strike destroy all, or almost all your nukes, your retaliation will be weakened, and partly intercepted by ABD systems.




Actually, "nuclear winter" is rather stupid pseudo scientific conception, based on some obviously false ideas. As a matter of fact, the undrerwater bursts of 12 gigaton-class torpedoes will cause evaporation of the enormous amounts of water, and "nuclear summer". Anyway, winter (even nuclear) isn't a thing that can scary Russians.

And what is the problem with Chernobyl? Anyway getting our chances in nuclear roulette is much better than have no chances at all, by allowing NATO countries and their proxies continue their genocide of Russians.

Moron, your first strike effort would be retaliated against within minutes of launch. That would happen well before impact)s).

Russia can then bend over and stick its national head between its legs and kiss its collective ass goodbye.

You’re truly too stupid to breathe.

 

[Zavulon]

Moron, your first strike effort would be retaliated against within minutes of launch. That would happen well before impact)s).

May be. But more likely, as in the case of a sophisticated coordinated attack (as in the movie The House of Dynamite) it won't. And if your C2 system (as in the movie) is compromised - you might choose not to shoot in your own leg.

Russia can then bend over and stick its national head between its legs and kiss its collective ass goodbye.

No. Even in the worst scenario (with totally unsuccessful first counter-force strike), but if the Russians had won the initiative (and their cities are partly evacuated, partly sheltered) American retaliation won't kill more than 30 mln of Russians.

You’re truly too stupid to breathe.

Or, may be, I'm just a bit better informed.

 

[BackAgain]

May be. But more likely, as in the case of a sophisticated coordinated attack (as in the movie The House of Dynamite) it won't. And if your C2 system (as in the movie) is compromised - you might choose not to shoot in your own leg.


No. Even in the worst scenario (with totally unsuccessful first counter-force strike), but if the Russians had won the initiative (and their cities are partly evacuated, partly sheltered) American retaliation won't kill more than 30 mln of Russians.



Or, may be, I'm just a bit better informed.

You don’t know a damn thing on this topic except how to follow along with a fictional plot.

 

[Zavulon]

You don’t know a damn thing on this topic except how to follow along with a fictional plot.

Nobody knows. Including Trump and Putin. One of the main reasons of resuming nuclear testing is decreasing of this uncertainty. But there are some things that we do know for sure. One of them - an enemy won't kill you if you kill him first.

And, of course, fictional plots in books and movies is just one of our ways to play situations, possible in the real life. Unexpected (and unbelievable) sophisticated and coordinated attacks "out of blue" are definitely part of our life. Shit happens and you guys should understand that this shit might happen one more time.


Another thing you should know for sure is also quite simple. If you say that the Russians are subhumans who should be discriminated, abused and genocided, if you believe that the safety of Russia is irrelevant, if you are making your preparations to attack Russia... Ok, there are pretty good chances that the Russians will eliminate you or, at least, remove from the historical scene.

 

[Correll]

Oh, thank you for your kindness, dear sir!

Cutting a deal is ... do you need the concept explained to you?

 

[Correll]

That is exactly why many people believe that there is nothing to talk about.

OK. We can keep the status quo going for a long time.


It cost us some money. It is literally killing you.

So... ok. Let us know when you are ready to deal.

 

[Correll]

No. Allowing some of Ukrainian nazies flew in Argentina and Canada with few years of handicap before Russia starts hunting them there. All Ukrainian nazies who are staying on the territory of the former Ukraine - to be eliminated.


You are withdrawing NATO forces (especially medium range missiles) from eastern Europe by yourself. Formal membership of those countries might be continuing. If no, we are going to eliminate both USA and NATO. Our position is strong enough, because we can do it with relatively small and acceptable losses.

What will actually happen is more of the status quo, ie a meatgrinder that is bleeding your nation white.


So, give us a call when you are tired of that and want to change it up.

 

[Zavulon]

OK. We can keep the status quo going for a long time.

Of course no. You can't. In few more years all adult male Ukrainians will be killed, European economy (in the terms of natural energy-demanding production) collapsed and American Revolutionary Army will shoot federal agents at sight.

It cost us some money. It is literally killing you.

As if we don't kill you by our proxies in much higher numbers for much lesser money.

So... ok. Let us know when you are ready to deal.

When we are ready to allow you to genocide us? I think never.

 

[Zavulon]

What will actually happen is more of the status quo, ie a meatgrinder that is bleeding your nation white.

In the matter of fact, nothing is bleeding our nation white. It is not something that bother us. Even if it will - we'll simply escalate.

So, give us a call when you are tired of that and want to change it up.

Sure. You'll see mushrooms over your ICBM silos and SSBN bases as our call to negotiations. But after this call we'll negotiate Alaska and California, not Ukraine and Baltic states.

 

[Correll]

Of course no. You can't. In few more years all adult male Ukrainians will be killed, European economy (in the terms of natural energy-demanding production) collapsed and American Revolutionary Army will shoot federal agents at sight.


As if we don't kill you by our proxies in much higher numbers for much lesser money.


When we are ready to allow you to genocide us? I think never.

1. It's POSSIBLE that US internal issues will undermine our ability to support the ukrainians in short to medium term. Even if that were to happen, the economics of being on the DEFENSE, implies that EUROPE by itself could keep Ukraine afloat. This is a slim hope for your side.

2. It is possible that Ukraine collapses at some point. I don't know how much more manpower they have. This is a slim hope for your side.


But more likely seems to be just more of the same meatgrinder.

If you insist on staying the course, we cannot force you to stop fighting. So, more of the same, for the foreseeable future, until something changes.

 

[Correll]

In the matter of fact, nothing is bleeding our nation white. It is not something that bother us. Even if it will - we'll simply escalate.

It is bleeding your nation white. Lying like that, undermines your credibility.

Sure. You'll see mushrooms over your ICBM silos and SSBN bases as our call to negotiations. But after this call we'll negotiate Alaska and California, not Ukraine and Baltic states.

I don't believe you. I won't believe you, until I see the mushrooms clouds. So, we have a problem here.

I will continue to support the war, until your side is willing to cut a deal that maga can live with.

Your move.

 

[Ringo]

If Ukraine had been a genuinely independent country, capable of making autonomous decisions in the best interests of the people, this conflict would have been over April 2022:

Ukraine's oil and gas infrastructure was hit by the most powerful attack in the ongoing war on the night leading up to November 8, according to Ukrainian sources.
The attack targeted oil and gas infrastructure in the Kharkiv, Sumy, Poltava, Kyiv, and Chernihiv regions.
Energy infrastructure in the Dnipropetrovsk, Kyiv, and Poltava regions was also targeted. In the Poltava region, the city of Kremenchuk was left without electricity.
The attached map shows the approximate routes of unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles during the nighttime attacks.

 

[Zavulon]

I don't believe you. I won't believe you, until I see the mushrooms clouds. So, we have a problem here.

You have this problem. What is even more important - this problem is going to become fatal for your country. No one can blind your state better than your own imbeciles in power.

 

[Correll]

If Ukraine had been a genuinely independent country, capable of making autonomous decisions in the best interests of the people, this conflict would have been over April 2022:

Ukraine's oil and gas infrastructure was hit by the most powerful attack in the ongoing war on the night leading up to November 8, according to Ukrainian sources.
The attack targeted oil and gas infrastructure in the Kharkiv, Sumy, Poltava, Kyiv, and Chernihiv regions.
Energy infrastructure in the Dnipropetrovsk, Kyiv, and Poltava regions was also targeted. In the Poltava region, the city of Kremenchuk was left without electricity.
The attached map shows the approximate routes of unmanned aerial vehicles and missiles during the nighttime attacks.

Explain how the fact that they took a hit, means that they are not are not a real country.

 

[Correll]

You have this problem. What is even more important - this problem is going to become fatal for your country. No one can blind your state better than your own imbeciles in power.

One of us is living in a fool's paradise.

If it is me, than we have a nuclear holocaust and the world becomes a much shittier place.

If it is you, then Russia is rushing headlong into decline, maybe eventual fall, because of it's inability to admit that an invasion failed.

 

[Zavulon]

One of us is living in a fool's paradise.

If it is me, than we have a nuclear holocaust and the world becomes a much shittier place.

If it is you, then Russia is rushing headlong into decline, maybe eventual fall, because of it's inability to admit that an invasion failed.

Don't be that pessimistic. Everything that doesn't kill us - makes us stronger. Everything that kills us because of our weakness and stupidity - makes the humanity stronger and smarter. So, anyway, post-WWIII world will be much better place (without you or without us).

But I don't think that you are hopeless. Sometimes you realise that reality is important.

 

[Correll]

Don't be that pessimistic. Everything that doesn't kill us - makes us stronger. Everything that kills us because of our weakness and stupidity - makes the humanity stronger and smarter. So, anyway, post-WWIII world will be much better place (without you or without us).

But I don't think that you are hopeless. Sometimes you realise that reality is important.

I like the optimism of that line, ie what doesn't kill us makes us stronger. It's a good line for people in rehab or trying to get into shape.

BUt, it's not true. There is plenty of shit that can happen, that makes us WEAKER.

We are at an impasse. I, speaking for MAGA, are not prepared to let you win.

You have the choice of cutting a deal, trying to bull your way though, or escalating.


YOu are currently just trying to bull your way though, while talking about escalating.

I don't think you can win. And I don't believe you will push the button.

So.... your move.