Kursk. Surrender or Die

[AntonToo]

What part of your slobbering tirade did you forget you wrote, dumbass?

“Ukraine had no interest to join NATO when they were invaded.”

wtf? Your quote said exactly same thing I did - it was only AFTER Putin's invasion did Ukraine rethink it's 2011 NUETRALITY LAW and started seeking NATO membership again to ensure long term security.

 

[Hollie]

What part of that you don't get dumbass?

All Putin had to do to keep Ukraine from wanting to join NATO was NOT INVADE.


Crazy idea - right?

You really are clueless.

“Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed to the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005”

The Ukes made clear their intentions, you’re just slow, dumbass.

 

[AntonToo]

You really are clueless.

“Ukraine joined NATO's Partnership for Peace in 1994 and the NATO-Ukraine Commission in 1997, then agreed to the NATO-Ukraine Action Plan in 2002 and entered into NATO's Intensified Dialogue program in 2005”

The Ukes made clear their intentions, you’re just slow, dumbass.

...dumbass Ukraine did previously explore NATO membership (and so did Russia), but they also rejected it in 2010's and even passed a NUETRALITY LAW in 2011

Ukraine Says ’No’ to NATO

New Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s move to ban Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO is not without a base of public support.

www.pewresearch.org

When I said “Ukraine had no interest to join NATO when they were invaded.” - I was exactly right and not a word I've said is contradicted by what you are posting.

 

[Hollie]

...dumbass Ukraine did previously explore NATO membership (and so did Russia), but they also rejected it in 2010's and even passed a NUETRALITY LAW in 2011

Ukraine Says ’No’ to NATO

New Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s move to ban Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO is not without a base of public support.

www.pewresearch.org

When I said “Ukraine had no interest to join NATO when they were invaded.” - I was exactly right and not a word I've said is contradicted by what you are posting.

Dumbass, you were exactly wrong. The “neutrality law” didn’t do much, dumbass.

Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Ukraine Nato membership

In response to a question, the Ukrainian president said he would give up his position for peace.

www.bbc.com

“Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Nato membership”​

 

[scruffy]

Ukraine attacked Kursk because it was poorly defended and a relatively easy take, expanding war into Russian territory for a change. It gave Ukraine initiative and forced Russia into scrambling to defend and counterattack which often led to unfavorable exchanges.

To say if it was definitively worth it, you'd need to compare losses on each side.

Silly leftard.

A general you ain't.

Next time tell your Neo-Lib leftard masters not to poke the bear.

 

[AntonToo]

Silly leftard.

A general you ain't.

Next time tell your Neo-Lib leftard masters not to poke the bear.

Thats too many words to say nothing at all.

 

[AntonToo]

Dumbass, you were exactly wrong. The “neutrality law” didn’t do much, dumbass.

Of course it didn't, because Russia invaded in 2014 anyway, three years after Ukraine instituted neutrality law.

Do you at all get the concept of cause and effect?

Russia did not invade because Ukraine wanted NATO membership, it's exactly the other way around - Ukraine wanted NATO membership because Russia invaded.

 

[Scoutster]

Dumbass, you were exactly wrong. The “neutrality law” didn’t do much, dumbass.

Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Ukraine Nato membership

In response to a question, the Ukrainian president said he would give up his position for peace.

www.bbc.com

“Zelensky willing to give up presidency in exchange for Nato membership”​

Ukraine is not getting NATO membership if they were going to and if the West wanted them to they would’ve done it after 2014. This needs to stop. People are dying in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands have fled the country.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine is not getting NATO membership if they were going to and if the West wanted them to they would’ve done it after 2014. This needs to stop. People are dying in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands have fled the country.

Thats false - NATO charter has specific requirements, including socio-econoic reforms and settlement of all territorial disputes.

So to get into NATO Ukraine needs to settle territory question with Russians first.

But even aside from just NATO, Ukraine will never settle for a long term peace deal that doesn't give them some sort of security guarantees from Russian re-invasion.

 

[jc456]

They dont give a damn about the 10000 who are either gonna die or surrender.

Politicians lose Wars.

every time.

 

[Scoutster]

Thats false - NATO charter has specific requirements, including socio-econoic reforms and settlement of all territorial disputes.

So to get into NATO Ukraine needs to settle territory question with Russians first.

But even aside from just NATO, Ukraine will never settle for a long term peace deal that doesn't give them some sort of security guarantees from Russian re-invasion.

If they won’t accept a peace deal, they better get ready to lose. Because the US nor European leaders will put troops on the ground to help them, it will not happen and they can’t survive this long-term. That is the cold hard fact! So my advice is anybody that wants to live needs to start leaving Ukraine now.

 

[AntonToo]

If they won’t accept a peace deal, they better get ready to lose. Because the US nor European leaders will put troops on the ground to help them, it will not happen and they can’t survive this long-term. That is the cold hard fact! So my advice is anybody that wants to live needs to start leaving Ukraine now.

Ukraine didn't need boots on the ground to hold off Russians for three years to take back almost half of the territory they lost in the full scale invasion.

What makes you think they need them now?

 

[Scoutster]

Ukraine didn't need boots on the ground to hold off Russians for three years to take back almost half of the territory they lost in the full scale invasion.

What makes you think they need them now?

Best of luck to them. Many more Ukrainians are gonna die if they listen to your advice!

 

[MarathonMike]

This just in: The Ukraine War is a non-stop shit show.

 

[AntonToo]

Best of luck to them. Many more Ukrainians are gonna die if they listen to your advice!

I don't know wtf you are talking about.

Ukranians are not listening for "advice" on what they ought to do on some political discussion forum in US. They have their own minds and ideas.

 

[whitehall]

BBC news?

 

[AntonToo]

This just in: The Ukraine War is a non-stop shit show.

Certainly news to Trump.

 

[eagle1462010]

The flock doesn't want to talk about that.

Your sources. Hmmm.

 

[MarathonMike]

Certainly news to Trump.

Democrats: WE LOVE THE SHIT SHOW!!! HERE'S MORE WEAPONS AND MONEY!! KEEP KILLING!!!
Trump: THIS WAR MUST END AND THE KILLING MUST STOP!!!

That's the difference between the Party of War and the President of Peace.

 

[JWBooth]

So. Would you, if you were Russia, ALLOW them to escape once you have already won??

I believe any reasonable person woild say NO... That doesnt mean you are happy about it. Doesnt mean you support Russia.

It just means you know and understand that maybe 10000 Ukraine troops are surrounded and basically screwed.

Hold them, weed out foreign mercs, ship the rest to someplace where they cannot be re-impressed into service.