Kursk. Surrender or Die

[ColonelAngus]

The 2014 CIA orchestrated coup in Donbas sure worked out well, didnt it?

 

[JimH52]

The funniest thing is that someone actually takes these comments seriously.

Ukranians don't need any ceasefire to simply fall back to Ukranian side of the border. They are not encircled in any way.


So what is Putin actually saying? He is saying that he doesn't want any ceasefire and needs an excuse to reject it.

Poootin is going to play trump like a fiddle. Ukraine is going to lose in any deal that trump and Poootin make. trump wants to be known as "peace maker" even if it means giving away a democratic country.

 

[Rogue AI]

Poootin is going to play trump like a fiddle. Ukraine is going to lose in any deal that trump and Poootin make. trump wants to be known as "peace maker" even if it means giving away a democratic country.

Democratic country? Where is that? Russia? At least Russia held elections during the war. Do you even know whose side your rhetoric backs? You clowns are funny.

 

[AntonToo]

Today. Ukraine attacked Kursk for politics. Hoping to get Russia to make a deal.

They let politics decide strategy. They fucked up.

Ukraine attacked Kursk because it was poorly defended and a relatively easy take, expanding war into Russian territory for a change. It gave Ukraine initiative and forced Russia into scrambling to defend and counterattack which often led to unfavorable exchanges.

To say if it was definitively worth it, you'd need to compare losses on each side.

 

[bendog]

If I was Russian? I'd agree to anything as long as there was a solid agreement on no eastward movement of NATO. That would put a huge dent in US influence in the region.

But Putin's aim may be all of Ukraine, and imo that is what it is.

 

[AntonToo]

Democratic country? Where is that? Russia? At least Russia held elections during the war.

Russia does not have any official recognition of state of war and you have to be an idiot to think there are real elections in Russia.

Putin controls all public narratives through state TV and effective ban of any serious opposition. There were exactly zero anti-war candidates that were allowed to run against Putin.

So saying Russia is a democracy is about as stupid as saying that Iraq was a democracy under Saddam because they held theatrical elections.

 

[Rogue AI]

Russia does not have any official recognition of state of war and you have to be an idiot to think there are real elections in Russia.

Thats like saying Iraq was a democracy under Saddam because they held theatrical elections.

Because you say so? Provide some credible evidence that Putin is not popular in Russia. I'll wait.

 

[Edgetho]

There are no reliable sources. You certainly arent one

Politicians lie. Tombstones do not --

The Russians are getting badly hurt in this War. So is Ukraine but Russia thinks they can take more casualties. Since that's the only way Russia knows how to fight (Hey Diddle-Diddle, Charge Up The Middle) which is by taking massive casualties, they're taking them.

I've seen the drone footage of Russian draftees trying to desert being summarily shot by Russian enforcer troops. If I'm seeing it, the civilians back home in Russia know about it.

Russia is being very, very badly hurt in this War. Badly.

The Politicians sitting in Moscow drinking peppered Vodka never have and never will give a shit about the average Russian soldier. Why should they? They're safe and Russians make boys just so they can die for Rodina.

If Russia backs away from these peace talks and OMB gives Ukraine the equipment to fight on an equal footing with Russia, Ukraine will kick their asses.



The Russians are, as usual, talking out of their asses. They're bluffing. They got nothing left. They're getting their asses kicked by a pip-Squeak Country that didn't even have an Army ten years ago.

Mighty Russia.......

My ass

 

[AntonToo]

Because you say so? Provide some credible evidence that Putin is not popular in Russia. I'll wait.

Naivete like that should hurt.

Anyone who can take control of speech and national narratives will be popular. If all your media tells you what a glorious leader your president is and how everyone else is bad and stupid, then odds are very good that's exactly what you'll believe along with the rest of whatever propaganda Dear Leader wants you to believe.

Authoritarians tend to be much more popular than leaders in open democratic societies, because public criticism and oppostion is squashed.

 

[JimH52]

Russia does not have any official recognition of state of war and you have to be an idiot to think there are real elections in Russia.

Putin controls all public narratives through state TV and effective ban of any serious opposition. There were exactly zero anti-war candidates that were allowed to run against Putin.

So saying Russia is a democracy is about as stupid as saying that Iraq was a democracy under Saddam because they held theatrical elections.

Russia IS NOT a democracy. Their elections are shams and controlled by Poootin.

 

[Edgetho]

Anybody that wants to keep up with the War and learn what's really going on --

Institute for the Study of War

Russian President Vladimir Putin may hold hostage the ceasefire proposal to which Ukraine has agreed in order to extract preemptive concessions before formal negotiations to end the war have started. Reuters reported on March 12 that senior Russian

www.understandingwar.org

I expect my link to be fully ignored

 

[luiza]

800,000 Russian casualties. The most military dead of any country since WWII.

UAF and NATO maimings and deaths could now exceed one million .
It would be highly surprising if the equivalent Russian figure is even one third of that.

The UAF spent most of its time on the offensive getting slaughtered by Russians on higher ground and in better defense lines .

Given the artillery imbalance ( around 1:10 ) and complete Russian air space dominance the Deaths ratio would be expected to be between 5 and 6 to one .

Upset US and NATO amateurs can bleat forever but the end fact is that Russia has lots of men , equipment and ammunition . The remnants of the UAF have almost nothing .

Stop deluding yourself .

Off to Sumy for the Good Guys and if fortune favours the brave and worthy , even Odessa is possible .

At least America hangs on to its precious record of always being on the losing side since the British held your hand on the way to Berlin .

 

[Edgetho]

Here is footage of Russian commanders hand-cuffing their own troops to keep them from deserting....



Here is footage of Russia's most advanced Tank, the Mighty T90, going up against an old, small, Bradley FV.



Here is a good article on the cost Russia is paying. It isn't pretty.

Invisible Losses: Tens of thousands fighting for Russia are dying unnoticed on the frontline in Ukraine

The Kremlin’s recruitment policy is shielding society from the true impact of war.

www.bbc.com

 

[jwoodie]

Putin wants to keep Ukraine from joining the EU or NATO.

You haven't proven the war was instigated by the west.

Oxymoron. If NATO hadn't been open to Ukraine joining it, there wouldn't have been a war.

 

[Hollie]

Poootin is going to play trump like a fiddle. Ukraine is going to lose in any deal that trump and Poootin make. trump wants to be known as "peace maker" even if it means giving away a democratic country.

You keyboard jihadis are hilarious.

Your brain dead politburo comrade, Biden, gave away Uke by inviting Putin with an allowance for a "minor incursion".

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Ukranian army is not 'surrounded' at Kursk.

However, :The situation in Kursk is complex and rapidly evolving. Ukrainian forces have been under significant pressure from Russian troops, who have recently made substantial advances in the region. Reports indicate that Russian forces have recaptured most of the territory previously held by Ukraine, including key areas like Sudzha2. Ukrainian military officials have stated that they are working to stabilize the front lines and preserve the lives of their soldiers."

1 www.france24.com
2 www.aljazeera.com
3 kyivindependent.com

 

[Scoutster]

Ukraine cannot beat Russia, end of discussion unless we put our own troops fighting in Ukraine and that’s not gonna happen not with us and not with Europe.

Ukrainian troops have fought valiantly, but unless we directly get involved along with Europe they can’t win. More of their people will just continue to die.

 

[Hollie]

Ukraine cannot beat Russia, end of discussion unless we put our own troops fighting in Ukraine and that’s not gonna happen not with us and not with Europe.

Ukrainian troops have fought valiantly, but unless we directly get involved along with Europe they can’t win. More of their people will just continue to die.

Yep. Unfortunately, the leftoids will willingly sacrifice the lives of Ukranians if they see an opportunity to thwart Trump's peace efforts.

 

[kyzr]

Oxymoron. If NATO hadn't been open to Ukraine joining it, there wouldn't have been a war.

Oxymoron. If NATO was open to Ukraine becoming a member, they would be already.

Putin just wanted to keep Ukraine in his sphere of influence, Ukrainians wanted the EU and NATO.

The Budapest Memorandum should have protected Ukraine...but it didn't.

 

[AntonToo]

Ukraine cannot beat Russia

What does that mean?

Russia set out it's war goals as removal of Ukraine's "Nazi" government and demilitarization, which effectively means subjugation of Ukraine to Russia.

It failed all of that and there are no reasonable expectations for them to achieve that - so if we go by war goals achieved, Russia got beat.