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I'm saying the employer has the right--at least he/she SHOULD have the right--to fire an insubordinate employee unless they're ordering the employee to do something illegal. The employees do not get to set the rules and policies for the employer they work for.The point is that if you refused, you could have not been fired.
As a Christian, if I worked for a company owned by Jews, would they have a right to make me wear a Star of David necklace while working?I'm saying the employer has the right--at least he/she SHOULD have the right--to fire an insubordinate employee unless they're ordering the employee to do something illegal. The employees do not get to set the rules and policies for the employer they work for.
I have thought it through. Good bosses would not impose such rules, but that does not mean they can't impose them no matter how ill advised or downright stupid. Or at least a business owner should be able to set the rules for his/her own operation. When business owners no longer are able to do that, we will have a lot fewer businesses and a lot more totalitarian government.As a Christian, if I worked for a company owned by Jews, would they have a right to make me wear a Star of David necklace while working?
How about if I worked for a Muslim doctor, and was told I had to wear traditional Muslim clothing?
If I worked for a Mexican restaurant for years and the owners suddenly decided that since I did not speak Spanish fluently, I would be fired?
You did NOT think this through!
Religious discrimination is illegal. What part of that do you NOT understand?I'm saying the employer has the right--at least he/she SHOULD have the right--to fire an insubordinate employee unless they're ordering the employee to do something illegal. The employees do not get to set the rules and policies for the employer they work for.
A uniform is not religious discrimination. If I run a Christian bookstore and want employees to wear vests with crosses on them, I should have every right to require that. If the Jewish or Hindu or Muslim or Atheist person objects, I'll give them a great letter of recommendation for their next job and wish them well. However the Jew and the Hindu who worked for a Christian bookstore I helped out for awhile didn't mind those vests at all. They were happy to have the job. Different strokes for different folks. The boss should have the right to set the rules for his own business. It is up to each individual employee whether they are willing to accept those rules. If they aren't, they should work elsewhere.Religious discrimination is illegal. What part of that do you NOT understand?
A uniform is not religious discrimination. If I run a Christian bookstore and want employees to wear vests with crosses on them, I should have every right to require that. If the Jewish or Hindu or Muslim or Atheist person objects, I'll give them a great letter of recommendation for their next job and wish them well. However the Jew and the Hindu who worked for a Christian bookstore I helped out for awhile didn't mind those vests at all. They were happy to have the job. Different strokes for different folks. The boss should have the right to set the rules for his own business. It is up to each individual employee whether they are willing to accept those rules. If they aren't, they should work elsewhere.
You've made your opinion quite clear. Have a pleasant evening.You don't, so you are simply wrong.
You have a pleasant evening and don't fire anyone for abiding by their religious beliefs.You don't, so you are simply wrong.
Fired because they WOULDN'T wear LGBTQ pins???!
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I’ve always felt that.Are you feeling OK?
I struggle with stuff like this.
I strongly defended and will continue to defend to this day the right of a Christian baker to refuse to bake a wedding cake and set it up at a gay wedding. The gay couple had been long time customers and were treated as friends in the place when they came in for other products offered for sale. But the baker did not believe in gay marriage and should never have been forced to participate in something he did not offer for sale and went against his religious beliefs. But that was his business, his turf.
Employees who work for somebody else should expect to follow the protocol, rules, regs, including wearing uniforms established and provided by the employer however unjust, ridiculous, improper, or wrong they may believe those to be. If they have religious objections to any of it, they should amicably resign and move on. Their employers should give them letters of recommendation if they are good employees, but, however much of a jerk it would make him, he should not have to accommodate the religious convictions of his employees.
Imagine being frightened of a multicolored heart.Another win for the good guys!
- An Arkansas federal judge ordered Kroger to pay two former employees $180,000.
- They were fired from the store after refusing to wear an apron with a "multicolored heart," court documents show.
- "Both have sincerely held religious beliefs that homosexuality is a sin and that they cannot support or promote it," the judge wrote.
Kroger had to pay $180,000 to workers who were fired after they wouldn't wear LQBTQ+ pride symbols
A federal judge ordered Kroger to pay two former employees $180,000 after they were fired for refusing to wear an apron with an LGBTQ+ symbol.www.insider.com
Snowflakes on the Right for sure.If an employee is uncomfortable wearing a symbol then they shouldn't have to. Evidently the courts agree
Stop; lying. It had to do with a Religious Discrimination.
According to the EEOC’s lawsuit, Kroger Limited Partnership I engaged in religious discrimination when it disciplined and ultimately fired the employees for refusing to wear an apron with the company’s “Our Promise” symbol because they believed it represented support for the LGBTQ+ community. Kroger denies the allegations.
I struggle with stuff like this.
I strongly defended and will continue to defend to this day the right of a Christian baker to refuse to bake a wedding cake and set it up at a gay wedding. The gay couple had been long time customers and were treated as friends in the place when they came in for other products offered for sale. But the baker did not believe in gay marriage and should never have been forced to participate in something he did not offer for sale and went against his religious beliefs. But that was his business, his turf.
Employees who work for somebody else should expect to follow the protocol, rules, regs, including wearing uniforms established and provided by the employer however unjust, ridiculous, improper, or wrong they may believe those to be. If they have religious objections to any of it, they should amicably resign and move on. Their employers should give them letters of recommendation if they are good employees, but, however much of a jerk it would make him, he should not have to accommodate the religious convictions of his employees.
What would you say if a company decided to add swastika symbols to a company uniform?
I would find a new place to work
Another win for the good guys!
- An Arkansas federal judge ordered Kroger to pay two former employees $180,000.
- They were fired from the store after refusing to wear an apron with a "multicolored heart," court documents show.
- "Both have sincerely held religious beliefs that homosexuality is a sin and that they cannot support or promote it," the judge wrote.
Kroger had to pay $180,000 to workers who were fired after they wouldn't wear LQBTQ+ pride symbols
A federal judge ordered Kroger to pay two former employees $180,000 after they were fired for refusing to wear an apron with an LGBTQ+ symbol.
But where do you draw the line? An employee doesn't want to wear the uniform provided by his employer that is required of all employees. Should an employer allow him/her to not wear the uniform all employees are required to wear? If the proper business attire is suit and tie or corporate dress for the women, do the employees get to turn thumbs down on that just because they're uncomfortable?
The employer cannot demand that his employees believe, think, like anything that they don't. He cannot demand that somebody work for him/her. But it is the employer's business. As an employee I can ask for special treatment or privilege, but I have no right to demand it of my employer. It's his turf. He/she gets to set the rules for protocol, dress, and all other rules and regs in that business. If as a matter of conscience I can't follow them--I have had a job once in which I could not--then I resign and move on to something else. If I refuse and don't quit, the employer has every right to fire me.
