Kremlin says Russia is open to dialogue with Trump on Ukraine

[Zavulon]

Good luck trying to invade a NATO country. Even Putin isn't that stupid.

It would be stupid to allow NATO countries gather forces and attack Russia first.

How many years will it take to capture Ukraine?

We are not "taking Ukraine". It's not about territory and never have been. It's just a gentle slapping of unruly slut. It suppose to be slow, educative and enjoyable for both sides. Coerction into Russia acceptable terms of peace.

Best bet is to end the war and lick your wounds.

There are no any "wounds". We are just warming up.

 

[Zavulon]

Anyway, my dear American friends. We are talking about possibility of Russia-American negotiations. Does anybody think that Trump is really in control of Pentagon and his words is something more than noise?

 

[kyzr]

It would be stupid to allow NATO countries gather forces and attack Russia first.

We are not "taking Ukraine". It's not about territory and never have been. It's just a gentle slapping of unruly slut. It suppose to be slow, educative and enjoyable for both sides. Coercion into Russia acceptable terms of peace.

There are no any "wounds". We are just warming up.

1. NATO never attacks, NATO defends.
2. Putin thought that he could capture Kiev in 3-days, yes it is about taking territory, like Crimea and Donbas. Russia has almost 1-million men killed, that is a disaster by any measure, not to mention the million men who left Russia to avoid military service. Life expectancy on the front line is about 10-hours. A very brutal and deadly conflict.
3. Warming up my ass. Russia needs to import North Koreans to plug holes in their lines. Better to make a peace deal with Trump than to have him put the screws to the flimsy Russian economy.

 

[kyzr]

Anyway, my dear American friends. We are talking about possibility of Russia-American negotiations. Does anybody think that Trump is really in control of Pentagon and his words is something more than noise?

Yes Trump is in control. He successfully ran a very complex organization before. He also has 4-years experience as president, so he knows how to be an effective president. Besides, Pete Hegseth is a combat veteran not a "politician" as Secretary of Defense.

Have you studied Trump's business empire? He is a very smart guy. Plus he has Elon Musk's brainpower to rely on for guidance

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[berg80]

President Vladimir Putin said Russia’s ready for talks with the US on the war in Ukraine as he offered congratulations to Donald Trump on his inauguration as president. Russia welcomed Trump’s desire to restore direct contacts and his statements on the need to prevent a third world war, he said. “We are open to dialogue with the new US administration on the Ukrainian conflict,” Putin said. “Its goal should not be a short truce, not some kind of respite for regrouping forces and rearmament with the aim of subsequently continuing the conflict, but a long-term peace based on respect for the legitimate interests of all people, all nations that live in this region.”
Putin has said repeatedly that he’s open to talks about a settlement to Russia’s nearly three-year-long war, even as he also insists he won’t give up territories that his army seized in the east and south of Ukraine since he ordered the full-scale invasion. Moreover, Putin will only make a deal if Ukraine reduces its army and refuses to join NATO altogether. Even before his inauguration, Trump said he understood the Russian president in this regard, so he would be willing to make concessions in addition to his own plan to pressure Russia to end the war.​

Your post implies the US should be making decisions for Ukraine. If Putin wants to discuss a solution for the end of the war he needs to communicate with Zelensky, not Dotard.

 

[Zavulon]

1. NATO never attacks, NATO defends.

Plain lie. NATO never defends, NATO always attack.

2. Putin thought that he could capture Kiev in 3-days,

Plain lie. You don't know what Putin though, but previous time liberation of Ukraine of European forces took 3 years, and anti-guerilla war after it took more than 10 years.

yes it is about taking territory, like Crimea and Donbas.

Its about protection people, and taking territory is just the way who it works. I mean annexation means responsibility and responsibility means wealth and safety for people. People in US annexed Texas live better than in US non-annexed Iraq

Russia has almost 1-million men killed,

Plain lie. But even 1 mln is pretty acceptable price. Previous time liberation of Ukraine costed more than 7 mln killed soldiers (say nothing about civilians).

that is a disaster by any measure, not to mention the million men who left Russia to avoid military service. Life expectancy on the front line is about 10-hours. A very brutal and deadly conflict.

Of course no. Actual losses are barely more than the losses in traffic accidents. It will become "brutal and deadly" when we start using nukes (or if it becomes really brutal and deadly - we'll use nukes).

3. Warming up my ass. Russia needs to import North Koreans to plug holes in their lines. Better to make a peace deal with Trump than to have him put the screws to the flimsy Russian economy.

No. Russia needs North Koreans well trained (and equipped) for the modern war mostly to reunion Korea by military way. DPRK is our ally now, and we need strong, well trained and well equipped allies in our instable world.

 

[kyzr]

Plain lie. NATO never defends, NATO always attack.

Plain lie. You don't know what Putin though, but previous time liberation of Ukraine of European forces took 3 years, and anti-guerilla war after it took more than 10 years.

Its about protection people, and taking territory is just the way who it works. I mean annexation means responsibility and responsibility means wealth and safety for people. People in US annexed Texas live better than in US non-annexed Iraq

Plain lie. But even 1 mln is pretty acceptable price. Previous time liberation of Ukraine costed more than 7 mln killed soldiers (say nothing about civilians).

Of course no. Actual losses are barely more than the losses in traffic accidents. It will become "brutal and deadly" when we start using nukes (or if it becomes really brutal and deadly - we'll use nukes).

No. Russia needs North Koreans well trained (and equipped) for the modern war mostly to reunion Korea by military way. DPRK is our ally now, and we need strong, well trained and well equipped allies in our unstable world.

Switching to positive news, Putin wants to talk with Trump about a peace deal in Ukraine.
Lets hope that they can agree on terms before things get out of control.

 

[Zavulon]

Switching to positive news, Putin wants to talk with Trump about a peace deal in Ukraine.
Lets hope that they can agree on terms before things get out of control.

Talks are cheap. The question is if Trump can control the USA and NATO or not. Latter, right now, seems more likely to me. And if I'm right the talks are totally meaningless.

 

[kyzr]

Talks are cheap. The question is if Trump can control the USA and NATO or not. Latter, right now, seems more likely to me. And if I'm right the talks are totally meaningless.

Peace talks are only meaningless if one side won't negotiate in good faith. For example, if Z says he will not concede one square meter of land, the wars continues. Or if Putin says that Ukraine cannot join NATO, the war continues.

A peace deal is when both sides win, like if Putin keeps Crimea and Donbas, and Ukraine joins NATO to guarantee their security, that is a win-win.

What is your suggested win-win deal?

 

[Zavulon]

Peace talks are only meaningless if one side won't negotiate in good faith. For example, if Z says he will not concede one square meter of land, the wars continues. Or if Putin says that Ukraine cannot join NATO, the war continues.

So, the war continues.

A peace deal is when both sides win, like if Putin keeps Crimea and Donbas, and Ukraine joins NATO to guarantee their security, that is a win-win.

Ukraine is not a side of the negotiations. It's just one plate on the big table.

What is your suggested win-win deal?

My suggestion is America withdraw its forces from Europe and don't do any hostilities (direct or indirect) against Russia (while Russia denazificate Europe), and Russia don't nuke the USA and don't supply Latinoamerican countries with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

 

[krichton]

The Joe Biden - Kamala Harris - Barack Obama crowd are NOT traditional Democrats . They are Marxists using the Democrat Party as a subterfuge

Post examples of their policies which align with Marxist philosophy.

 

[kyzr]

So, the war continues.

Dumb idea.

Ukraine is not a side of the negotiations. It's just one plate on the big table.

Another bad idea. NATO is the only adult at the big table.

My suggestion is America withdraw its forces from Europe and don't do any hostilities (direct or indirect) against Russia (while Russia de-Nazifies Europe), and Russia don't nuke the USA and don't supply Latin-American countries with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

The US is in NATO, so Russia needs to reconsider its position.
There are no Nazis in the EU, that is propaganda, Hitler is dead a long time.
If Russia gives any South American country, or Cuba, any weapons of mass destruction, they will be destroyed and the regime changed.
Russia is in a deep hole, the stupid ***** need to stop digging it deeper.

 

[Contumacious]

Peace talks are only meaningless if one side won't negotiate in good faith. For example, if Z says he will not concede one square meter of land, the wars continues. Or if Putin says that Ukraine cannot join NATO, the war continues.

A peace deal is when both sides win, like if Putin keeps Crimea and Donbas, and Ukraine joins NATO to guarantee their security, that is a win-win.

What is your suggested win-win deal?

The Republics of Crimea , Donetsk and Luhansk have spoken - they rejoined Mother Russia.

If Ukraine joins NATO then Russia should have the right to place missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

 

[Contumacious]

Post examples of their policies which align with Marxist philosophy.

If you do not know which policies are Marxists then you brain is fried and FUBR

 

[krichton]

If you do not know which policies are Marxists then you brain is fried and FUBR

Well, let's just assume I don't. Why don't you tell me what they are

 

[krichton]

Dumb idea.

Another bad idea. NATO is the only adult at the big table.

The US is in NATO, so Russia needs to reconsider its position.
There are no Nazis in the EU, that is propaganda, Hitler is dead a long time.
If Russia gives any South American country, or Cuba, any weapons of mass destruction, they will be destroyed and the regime changed.
Russia is in a deep hole, the stupid ***** need to stop digging it deeper.

Even Russia doesn't use the nazi excuse anymore, but useful idiots can't let go of a narrative, which is what makes them useful idiots to begin with.

 

[kyzr]

The Republics of Crimea , Donetsk and Luhansk have spoken - they rejoined Mother Russia.
If Ukraine joins NATO then Russia should have the right to place missiles in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.

The US will not allow foreign missiles in our hemisphere.
The issue to be solved is the war in Ukraine.
What can and cannot be allowed in Ukraine is up for negotiation as part of the peace deal.

 

[Zavulon]

Dumb idea.

Much better than allow Ukraine in NATO (or NATO in Ukraine).

Another bad idea. NATO is the only adult at the big table.

It's misperception. No, you are not. May be, the USA is at the table, but European part of NATO is definitely on the table.

The US is in NATO, so Russia needs to reconsider its position.

I don't see any reason for it. May be, you can show even one?

There are no Nazis in the EU, that is propaganda, Hitler is dead a long time.

Its not about Hitler only. Russophobia is a part of their nature.

If Russia gives any South American country, or Cuba, any weapons of mass destruction, they will be destroyed and the regime changed.

Really? We'll see.

Russia is in a deep hole, the stupid ***** need to stop digging it deeper.

It's not a hole. It's a trench (or may be even silo). And you guys, are walking in open, pretending that you are in safety, only because you are stoned as sh-t.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Under Capitalism the economy and the government are completely DIVORCED - NO TAXES UNDER CAPITALISM

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That's utter nonsense. Capitalism, especially at a national scale, can't run without government authority. Capitalism can’t function without a state to issue currency, enforce contracts, patrol borders, and protect private property rights. Try running a nation's modern economy with no legal system, no infrastructure, and no regulatory framework, you’d have Mad Max-style, feudal land grabs by bloodthirsty warlords, and all the technology you rely on would sputter to a screeching halt without the underlying public investments and infrastructure that made it possible.

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This myth that smartphones, the internet, and every other piece of essential modern tech magically sprang from “entrepreneurial genius” alone ignores the massive public funding behind them. The original internet started as ARPANET, a government (specifically Pentagon) project because private telecommunications giants refused to invest in what they saw as a financially dubious venture. Wi-Fi was born out of a University of Hawaii program, partially funded by the Navy and DARPA. The GPS chip in your phone that helps you navigate? Developed by the Department of Defense. Multitouch interfaces and display tech in smartphones got their start in government-funded labs or university research projects long before Apple or Google slapped their logos on them.

And let’s not pretend that a world without taxes or regulations somehow fosters endless innovation. Private firms, by definition, chase quarterly profits and balk at the kind of long-term, expensive R&D that may take decades to bear fruit. That’s why the bulk of truly groundbreaking research, the stuff that ends up changing the world, comes from publicly funded institutions, from universities to the NSF to the military. Once something’s proven viable, then sure, private companies swoop in, monopolize the industry through mergers, and reap the profits.

Yet, whenever there’s a crisis, like a financial meltdown or the threat of massive unemployment from automation, capitalists come begging for bailouts or government intervention to stop the chaos they themselves helped engineer. So let’s stop pretending the government isn’t the backbone of the system. Listen to Elon Musk and others of his ilk, admit to capitalism's need for massive government intervention in the form of a monthly UBI (Universal Basic Income) and regulations:

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Capitalism not only relies on the state for infrastructural and legal support but also for the basic rights and protections now embedded in labor law. Left to its own devices, “pure” capitalism had a "zero problem" with child labor, sweatshops, and 80-hour workweeks in unsafe factories. Only through government regulation did workers win safer conditions, shorter hours, and child labor prohibitions.

Simply put, without the authority of government to set and enforce the rules, protect workers, and fund large-scale research, we wouldn’t have modern capitalism or any of the creature comforts you claim come solely from the "free market" (a freaking unicorn that has never existed and can't exist, especially at a national scale economy). So yes, taxes exist under any real version of capitalism, and that’s not a design flaw but a fundamental feature that keeps the entire arrangement from collapsing into barbarism. If you still think the economy and the government can be “completely divorced,” then you’re ignoring every historical and modern example showing that markets, at a national level, require a robust state to exist. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The US will not allow foreign missiles in our hemisphere.
The issue to be solved is the war in Ukraine.
What can and cannot be allowed in Ukraine is up for negotiation as part of the peace deal.

The US will for very good reason, not allow that, but somehow Russia has to allow our missiles in their "neighborhood"? Learn the golden rule: Don't do unto others, what you don't want done to you.