Kremlin says Russia is open to dialogue with Trump on Ukraine

[AntonToo]

I guess you must be a Russian troll.

Nuh, he just sleeps with a Russian that infects him with a heavy dose of PutinTV brainwashing.

 

[Dragonlady]

Russia lost 1,000,000 men and Ukraine lost 700,000 men...and counting.

Trump said that Russia has a bigger population so they can wear down the Ukrainians over time, a "war of attrition" by any other name.

It loks like oth sides are now ready for an "off-ramp". Let's hope so.

Trump proposed a deal, and Putin told Trump to go **** himself. Putin has his state TV mocking Trump and showing nude pictures of Melania. Xi and Putin were signing a new cooperation deal while Trump was being inaugurated.

I'm watching Trump's speech at Davos, and he just threatened the world with tariffs, and demanded that Canada become the 51st state. The rest of the world doesn't have tame media to paraphrase what Trump said to threaten the rest of the world.

5% of GDP to "defense" for NATO. The USA spends 4% of GDP on Defense, and it's bankrupting your nation.

 

[Contumacious]

it was only AFTER Russian invasion did they throw that law out and replaced it with NATO goals

Incorrect

In December 2013 Obama turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

 

[AntonToo]

Incorrect

In December 2013 Obama turned Ukraine into a CIA Colony

What's incorrect nutbag? I gave you facts.

FACT - Ukraine had a neutrality law, that was only changed in 2017 - after Crimea was annexed and Eastern Ukraine occupied.

 

[toobfreak]

Your ilk

My ilk? I have an ilk? Show me.

was braying the EXACT opposite 60 days ago.

Yeah? Show me.

 

[AntonToo]

I can't find the part in your post where Biden held high level talks to stave off an invasion by Russia........

No? Really? You can't?

Stop being helpless and just click the link.

United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The US attempted to deter Russia from invading, among other, by proposing US - Russia summit, and meeting with Russian officials in November 2021 and January 2022. The efforts failed.

 

[AntonToo]

Here's his giving Putin the green light to attack:

"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."

Dummy that quote is about Russian military moving into Eastern Ukraine territories it was already de-facto occupying.

The pretense for the war was Russia recognizing LNR/DNR and supposedly defending them. Russia moving in their forces into those areas would be at least consistent with that thesis. Invading Kiev is not.

 

[80zephyr]

Trump is going to allow Putin to keep the Donba region. Trump loves mass-murdering warmongering dictators.

Biden let the Taliban keep Afghanistan. Feel the same way about him?

 

[Contumacious]

What's incorrect nutbag? I gave you facts.

FACT - Ukraine had a neutrality law, that was only changed in 2017 - after Crimea was annexed and Eastern Ukraine occupied.

But CIA Agent Victoria Nuland claimed that the Minsk 1 & 2 did not apply to the US because it wasn't a signatory.

 

[TimFitz]

Are you comparing Sweden and Finland to Ukraine? Sweden and Finland are now less safe than they were before joining NATO. If Russia or China were to enter into a military alliance with a few countries in the Western Hemisphere (American continent), we may not go to war immediately or see that as an existential threat, provided the countries joining this "Russo-Latin American" or "Chinese-Latin American" alliance, aren't Mexico or Cuba. We have a redline, and what we allow in some countries on our continent may not be permitted in Mexico, Cuba, or the Dominican Republic.

Pretending that Russia has no legitimate security concerns or grievances with NATO expansion into its perceived sphere of influence, is quite naive, if not disingenuous. NATO is a Cold War dinosaur, that is inherently hostile to Russia, historically, operationally, doctrinally..etc. It was created to fight Russia.

It was created to stem Russian expansionism in Europe.

The Russians responded by herding their new vassal states into the Warsaw Pact, which dissolved with the Soviet Union.
NATO expanded after the fall of the USSR, because the former vassal states wanted to stay out from under the Russian boot.

In view of Russia's recent invasion of Ukraine, more rushed to join.

They were not recruited or forced to by the United States, as you falsely imply.

You can call NATO a "cold war dinosaur" . But it is as strong and vital as ever, especially in the face of the very Russian agrression ofwas created to oppose.

 

[TimFitz]

To join NATO back then, pretty much-secured membership in the EU. If you want to become an EU member, the fastest way to do that is to become a NATO base for Western powers, and you're in the club. That's what actually occurred.

Prove it. You're trying to defend your misleading attempt to equate the two with a made up claim.

 

[TimFitz]

Bullshit peddler Ukraine had added NO-NATO law on the books as it pursued EU membership.

There are no NATO requirements for EU membership and in fact 5 countries in EU are not in NATO.

He's almost certainly a Russian troll. Another one of them is calling Victoria Nuland a "CIA agent" without evidence, and trying to use his made up claim to discredited what she said about the Minsk accords.

The trolls like bringing up the Minsk Accords, even though the Russian violated them before the ink was even dry,

 

[AntonToo]

But CIA Agent Victoria Nuland claimed that the Minsk 1 & 2 did not apply to the US because it wasn't a signatory.

...Misk agreements were signed AFTER annexation of Crimea and invasion of eastern Ukraine.

US was not a signatory, it was agreement between Ukraine and Russia, arbitrated by international monitoring organization.

 

[TimFitz]

Trump proposed a deal, and Putin told Trump to go **** himself. Putin has his state TV mocking Trump and showing nude pictures of Melania. Xi and Putin were signing a new cooperation deal while Trump was being inaugurated.

I'm watching Trump's speech at Davos, and he just threatened the world with tariffs, and demanded that Canada become the 51st state. The rest of the world doesn't have tame media to paraphrase what Trump said to threaten the rest of the world.

5% of GDP to "defense" for NATO. The USA spends 4% of GDP on Defense, and it's bankrupting your nation.

I stopped watching after the first one or two questions. He was making it up as he went along, and had already fallen back on the BS rhetoric he peddled in his campaign.

Did he really stand on the world stage and demand that another country should be a U.S. State?

Everyone there must be looking at one another shaking their heads knowing that Trump is not a serious person.

 

[AntonToo]

I stopped watching after the first one or two questions. He was making it up as he went along, and had already fallen back on the BS rhetoric he peddled in his campaign.

Did he really stand on the world stage and demand that another country should be a U.S. State?

Everyone there must be looking at one another shaking their heads knowing that Trump is not a serious person.

Yep, pretty embarrassing for US and very damaging to international law standards.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Prove it. You're trying to defend your misleading attempt to equate the two with a made up claim.

There is a long trail of political and diplomatic history showing that, for most post-communist Eastern European countries, NATO membership went hand in hand with an informal, but powerful assurance of eventual EU membership. The first wave of former Warsaw Pact countries to enter NATO, namely Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary, did so in 1999. Five years later, in 2004, all three joined the EU.

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania joined both NATO and the EU in 2004, completing the process first in defense terms and then solidifying their place within the European Union’s political and economic structures. Formally, the three Baltic states acceded to NATO in late March 2004, followed by EU accession slightly over a month later, on May 1, 2004.

Romania and Bulgaria’s accession timeline was joining NATO in 2004 and they became EU members in 2007. Croatia, became a NATO member in 2009 and entered the EU in 2013.

In sum, while there was no official, written “join NATO for guaranteed EU membership” clause, the events of the late 1990s and early 2000s speak for themselves. As soon as Eastern European nations entered the Atlantic alliance and adopted the political, military, and institutional reforms that NATO demanded, their path to EU membership became noticeably smoother. Time and again, NATO entry served as a fast track or at the very least a strong signal to Brussels and major EU capitals that a given state was ready to fully join the Western community, not just in defense matters but in the broad political and economic sense that the EU embodies.

You can pretend otherwise, and that's expected being that you're not concerned with reality but rather just grinding the ax against Russia and pretending these Eastern European nations joined NATO out of fear of being invaded by an economically ruined country. For most people with a bit of common sense and knowledge of how NATO expanded into former Soviet Bloc countries, it's pretty clear that they joined to solidify and strengthen their ties with the West and eventually join the EU. It was more of an economic decision than one based on fear of Russia invading them. As Russophobes and haters of Russia, believe whatever nonsense toots your horn.

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[AntonToo]

There is a long trail of political and diplomatic history showing that, for most post-communist Eastern European countries, NATO membership went hand in hand with an informal, but powerful assurance of eventual EU membership.

Dummy, which part of NO-NATO law passed in Ukraine while it was looking to join EU do you not get?

Ukraine had no interest in NATO when Russians invaded and it was the invasion itself that pushed them to seek security guarantees in a defensive alliance.

Ukraine Says ’No’ to NATO

New Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s move to ban Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO is not without a base of public support.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[TimFitz]

There is a long trail of political and diplomatic history showing that, for most post-communist Eastern European countries, NATO membership went hand in hand with an informal, but powerful assurance of eventual EU membership. The first wave of former Warsaw Pact countries to enter NATO, namely Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary, did so in 1999. Five years later, in 2004, all three joined the EU.

Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania joined both NATO and the EU in 2004, completing the process first in defense terms and then solidifying their place within the European Union’s political and economic structures. Formally, the three Baltic states acceded to NATO in late March 2004, followed by EU accession slightly over a month later, on May 1, 2004.

Romania and Bulgaria’s accession timeline was joining NATO in 2004 and they became EU members in 2007. Croatia, became a NATO member in 2009 and entered the EU in 2013.

In sum, while there was no official, written “join NATO for guaranteed EU membership” clause, the events of the late 1990s and early 2000s speak for themselves. As soon as Eastern European nations entered the Atlantic alliance and adopted the political, military, and institutional reforms that NATO demanded, their path to EU membership became noticeably smoother. Time and again, NATO entry served as a fast track or at the very least a strong signal to Brussels and major EU capitals that a given state was ready to fully join the Western community, not just in defense matters but in the broad political and economic sense that the EU embodies.

You can pretend otherwise, and that's expected being that you're not concerned with reality but rather just grinding the ax against Russia and pretending these Eastern European nations joined NATO out of fear of being invaded by an economically ruined country. For most people with a bit of common sense and knowledge of how NATO expanded into former Soviet Bloc countries, it's pretty clear that they joined to solidify and strengthen their ties with the West and eventually join the EU. It was more of an economic decision than one based on fear of Russia invading them. As Russophobes and haters of Russia, believe whatever nonsense toots your horn.

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So, explain the 5 NATO members that are not in the EU.

 

[Dragonlady]

I stopped watching after the first one or two questions. He was making it up as he went along, and had already fallen back on the BS rhetoric he peddled in his campaign.

Did he really stand on the world stage and demand that another country should be a U.S. State?

Everyone there must be looking at one another shaking their heads knowing that Trump is not a serious person.

If Hegseth is confirmed, the world will have further confirmation that Trump is a complete fool. Not that there was ever any doubt.

 

[TimFitz]

If Hegseth is confirmed, the world will have further confirmation that Trump is a complete fool. Not that there was ever any doubt.

True.

But he may not last too long. He can only be confirmed on a straight party line vote.

He is a stooge for Trump, nothing more. A minor Fox presenter being vetted for a job he is clearly totally unqualified form

He will be in way over his head on day one. (Just like his boss).

The clown show Trump put on for Davos was an embarrassment, to say the least. It is a disgrace to have a President who is such an obvious buffoon.