"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[Rigby5]

He is an El Salvador citizen and not an US citizen, that is fact.

It was his defense that argued he was in a gang, this making it “too dangerous” to deport him.

Wrong.
Once he applied for asylum back in 2011, he gained all the protections of a US citizen, even though the process is not finished yet.

It was NOT "his defense" that argued he was in a gang.
His defense was that he was threatened by MS-13.
He always maintained he was never a gang member, and no evidence of gang membership was ever presented by anyone.

Nor does your claim make any sense at all, since it could never be "too dangerous" to deport anyone if they were a gang member.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wrong.
Once he applied for asylum back in 2011, he gained all the protections of a US citizen, even though the process is not finished yet.

It was NOT "his defense" that argued he was in a gang.
His defense was that he was threatened by MS-13.
He always maintained he was never a gang member, and no evidence of gang membership was ever presented by anyone.

Nor does your claim make any sense at all, since it could never be "too dangerous" to deport anyone if they were a gang member.

He didn't apply for asylum in 2011, he entered the country illgeally in 2011. It wasn't until 2019 that he made the asylum request.

Other than that you are correct.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

He established his right to be here years ago.

There was no right. He was given a temporary privilege.

Not that it matters.

He’s obviously dead. My guess is that the killed him right away.

Which is why Trump can’t get him back, and El Salvador pretends they can’t release him.

Then the case is moot and should be dropped, is your point?

This nonsense is so obviously hokey that no intelligent adult would believe it.

None the less, the Trump regieme is entirely responsible for snatching someone entitled to due course under the law, and railroads him to a dangerous (and possibly lethal) fate.

This is not what Americans do. It is flagrantly contrary to both our laws and Constitution.

No, it isn't. Deporting verified gang members to their home country fits in with American values for decades.

It was done several times to Italian-American gangsters.

The really bad thing about it is that the Supreme Court was ambiguous enough to allow him to skate accountability.

Now, Trump will defy the rule of law and the Supreme Court, and rule by decree (Executive Order), just like the dictator he always wanted to be.

He'll run the executive branch, just like the voters chose him for.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If they do not return Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, then they are not an "ally" at all and deserve nothing.

They are an ally of the American people, if they keep that vicious verified gang member locked up, when our courts cannot be relied on to do so.

Killmore can stay there for the rest of his life, before I'd see one child put at risk by his return.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Yes.
Since sending Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia even by accident was illegal, it voids any contract until the violation of law is corrected by returning Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.

A court would have to decide that.

Someone would have to show the court that clause in the contract.

 

[TimFitz]

I'm sorry, I need to correct this statement.

There is no right to enter the country illegally, and remain. When it comes to immigration and naturalization the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) provides the power to Congress to define the laws. (Laws that the Constitution requires the President to faithfully execute (Article III, Section 3).

So Abrego Garcia entered the country illegally around 2011, was detained in 2019 and applied for asylum because he was running away from gangs trying to force him to join. Judge Davis in 2019 invalidated the asylum request because of it not being timely submitted (IIRC is has to be within one year, his claim was 7 years or so out of date). The Judge did find he could be deported, however he placed a hold on the deportation to prevent him being deported to El Salvador where his life was in danger if he were returned.

All the Trump administration had to do was comply with 8 USC 1231 (law passed by Congress) and locate a 3rd country (not El Salvador) that would accept him, then file a motion with the judge to have the hold lifted and deportation could continue.

WW

Then, that’s all they have to do now.

The very idea that the President of a police state can’t order a prisoner released is absurd.

Especially at the request of the President of the United Story.

 

[TimFitz]

A court would have to decide that.

Someone would have to show the court that clause in the contract.

But you were just saying that he don’t need no stinking court!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Then, that’s all they have to do now.

The very idea that the President of a police state can’t order a prisoner released is absurd.

Especially at the request of the President of the United Story.

Correct.

Return him, give him a proceeding, present a motion to the Judge has the deportation plan, and ask the judge to lift the hold.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

Then, that’s all they have to do now.

The very idea that the President of a police state can’t order a prisoner released is absurd.

Especially at the request of the President of the United Story.

The USSC order does not specify that he request anything from Bukele. "Facilitate" means to make easier. That implies something that will happen without you, but when it does, you make it easier.

So, if Bukele suddenly decides that 'hey! This is a good boy! I'm sending him back on the next Air Salvador or whatever their airline is called, Trump should sent people to greet him and help him settle in his new surroundings.

But you were just saying that he don’t need no stinking court!

Killmore already has his day(s) in court. The court would be for whoever has standing to try and nullify the contract with El Salvador.

Lawyers are crawling out from under rocks to oppose Trump on this. Surely one of them can file such a case. If they can find a client, I guess?

 

[Marener]

Then why would a judge put a “hold” on his deportation based on the fact that a rival gang would kill him? That means he was in a gang.

You have it backwards. The argument was that because he was in a gang, he couldn’t be deported.

If he wasn’t in a gang, there would be no justification for the hold on deportation.

Then why would a judge put a “hold” on his deportation based on the fact that a rival gang would kill him? That means he was in a gang.

You have it backwards. The argument was that because he was in a gang, he couldn’t be deported.

If he wasn’t in a gang, there would be no justification for the hold on deportation.

That’s bullshit. You clearly didn’t read the judge’s ruling. He was protected from deportation to El Salvador because a gang was extorting his family’s business because they weren’t paying them enough protection money.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Garcia was, but was illegally deported anyway after Trump labeled him a terrorist with no due process.

Trump also labeled people from Venezuela as terrorists and sent them to CECOT without due process either. Some of them didn’t even have deportation orders, they just showed up to check in with ICE and were stuffed in a plane.

This is how fascists behave. You’re a fascist.

Fascists are the new Nazis. Nazis were the new Trotskyites.

 

[Marener]

Fascists are the new Nazis. Nazis were the new Trotskyites.

All Nazis were fascist, but not all fascists were Nazis.

 

[TimFitz]

There was no right. He was given a temporary privilege.

Then the case is moot and should be dropped, is your point?

No, it isn't. Deporting verified gang members to their home country fits in with American values for decades.

It was done several times to Italian-American gangsters.


He'll run the executive branch, just like the voters chose him for.

He is trying to be a king. Issuing decrees that are routinely ludicrous and/or illegal.

He is a clown, in way over his head, trying to bluster and spin his way to his next little show.

He is a global pariah, a true disgrace to what America stands for.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

All Nazis were fascist, but not all fascists were Nazis.

Which were the ones who didn't care?

 

[Marener]

Which were the ones who didn't care?

I don’t think any fascist cared that they were fascist.

They enjoyed it. Like you.

 

[TimFitz]

Fascists are the new Nazis. Nazis were the new Trotskyites.

You don’t know anything about Trotskyites if you believe that they were in any way similar to Nazis.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You don’t know anything about Trotskyites if you believe that they were in any way similar to Nazis.

I know that you are a democrat. Therefore, I pay no attention to your blather.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Talk out of both sides of your mouth much?

Not half as often as you talk out your ass,,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

And as your link noted, if Trump can get away with this, they can do this to anyone they want… citizens… journalists… anyone

This is a lie.
All you can do is lie.

But at least you agree: Trump was ordered to facilitate his return, and has done so.

 

[Marener]

This is a lie.
All you can do is lie.

What’s the lie? Who is going to stop Trump?