"Kilmar Abrego Garcia is alive and secure but is under the sovereign, domestic authority of El Salvador"

[Marener]

I’m sorry how do you think most people are arrested?

That’s not true they have time to challenge their case, look at the Columbia student…look a the Maryland guy that’s in El Salvador…he had a full hearing, back in 2019!

No scotus ruled on the alien enemies act that trump could keep doing it, they did need notice, and they should have time to file a petition for hc

Just file the petition.

Lot of good it did Garcia, since the judge in 2019 said don’t send him to El Salvador as he’s at risk there. Trump ignored it anyway, intentionally.

So even if someone gets due process, it doesn’t matter. Trump will just ignore it anyway.

Trump didn't want to give notice so they couldn’t challenge it in court, that’s why he was doing everything as quickly and secretly as possible. SCOTUS said that’s illegal. It’s yet to be determined if the alien enemies act applies or not.

 

[struth]

Lot of good it did Garcia, since the judge in 2019 said don’t send him to El Salvador as he’s at risk there. Trump ignored it anyway, intentionally.

So even if someone gets due process, it doesn’t matter. Trump will just ignore it anyway.

Trump didn't want to give notice so they couldn’t challenge it in court, that’s why he was doing everything as quickly and secretly as possible. SCOTUS said that’s illegal. It’s yet to be determined if the alien enemies act applies or not.

Any proof it was ignored intentionally?

So now you don’t care that there is due process?

So you are just whining that Trump is deporting illegals? Gotcha

 

[Marener]

I’m sorry are you saying he didn’t have his day in court in 2019??

It was proven to the legal standard. Why do you simply ignore court orders now? Ironic given how you attack the trump administration for making a mistake on an order when you now blatantly ignore them

You are beyond a hypocrite

Nope. Never proven in a court that he was in a gang and he was never convicted of any crimes related to any gang activity.

You’re a liar.

 

[Marener]

Any proof it was ignored intentionally?

So now you don’t care that there is due process?

So you are just whining that Trump is deporting illegals? Gotcha

Stephen Miller admitted it on TV.

People sent to CECOT didn’t get due process and SCOTUS had to tell Trump he must allow for it.

 

[struth]

Nope. Never proven in a court that he was in a gang and he was never convicted of any crimes related to any gang activity.

You’re a liar.

When did anyone say anything about crimes? Why do you keep ignoring reality?

Nobody in the United States prosecuted him for a crime. He was given some grace

That has nothing to do with the fact he came here illegally and had an immigrantion hearing and was ordered to be deported in 2019

 

[Marener]

Nobody in the United States prosecuted him for a crime

Which makes him innocent.

 

[theHawk]

It was very much in dispute and never proven. He never even had a chance to face his accuser.

What was never proven?

He had a deportation order on him in 2019.

His defense argued that since he was in a gang, it was “too dangerous” to send him back.

So if you are claiming he wasn’t in a gang, then there would be zero reason to keep him in the US.

If he was in the gang, then the hold on him became invalid when President Trump declared MS13 a terrorist organization.

So which is it? Was he a gang member or not?

 

[MarathonMike]

The Democrats have once again mesmerized all of their pinhead supporters with the latest politically convenient "victim" Garcia.

 

[theHawk]

The Democrats have once again mesmerized all of their pinhead supporters with the latest politically convenient "victim" Garcia.

I really hope they are dumb enough to keep backing this thug illegal.

 

[TimFitz]

The Supreme Court said to give him "due process." Expedited removal is the due process under our laws.

You made that up.

Nowhere in any US law does it say that “expedited removal” constitutes due process.

 

[Marener]

What was never proven?

He had a deportation order on him in 2019.

His defense argued that since he was in a gang, it was “too dangerous” to send him back.

So if you are claiming he wasn’t in a gang, then there would be zero reason to keep him in the US.

If he was in the gang, then the hold on him became invalid when President Trump declared MS13 a terrorist organization.

So which is it? Was he a gang member or not?

You can’t be this fucking stupid.

He wasn’t in a gang. The government used some anonymous informant to claim he was in a gang, but was never proven and he says he wasn’t.

 

[TimFitz]

I really hope they are dumb enough to keep backing this thug illegal.

You don’t know whether he’s a “thug”, and you know he is not illegal. But he’s brown. And that’s good enough for you.

 

[TimFitz]

Maybe because he is an illegal, alien, gang banger?

Maybe…. But due process under the law is required to establish that.

Not the knee jerk leap to that conclusion coming from the bigots here.

 

[theHawk]

You can’t be this fucking stupid.

He wasn’t in a gang. The government used some anonymous informant to claim he was in a gang, but was never proven and he says he wasn’t.

Then why would a judge put a “hold” on his deportation based on the fact that a rival gang would kill him? That means he was in a gang.

You have it backwards. The argument was that because he was in a gang, he couldn’t be deported.

If he wasn’t in a gang, there would be no justification for the hold on deportation.

 

[theHawk]

You don’t know whether he’s a “thug”, and you know he is not illegal. But he’s brown. And that’s good enough for you.

He is an El Salvador citizen and not an US citizen, that is fact.

It was his defense that argued he was in a gang, this making it “too dangerous” to deport him.

 

[TimFitz]

You dont' like our laws? This one was passed under Bill Clinton:

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRAIRA or IIRIRA

According to the American Immigration Council:

WHO MAY BE SUBJECT TO THE EXPEDITED REMOVAL PROCESS?
A person can be placed in the expedited removal process at a U.S. port of entry if they
do not have valid entry documents or if they try to enter the country through fraud or
misrepresentation.

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www.ilrc.org

If the U.S. facilitates his coming to the U.S. as required by the USSC ruling, it will be through a port of entry.

He won't have valid entry documents, unless the State Department issues them, which seems highly unlikely, I'm sure you'd agree.

He established his right to be here years ago.

Not that it matters.

He’s obviously dead. My guess is that the killed him right away.

Which is why Trump can’t get him back, and El Salvador pretends they can’t release him.

This nonsense is so obviously hokey that no intelligent adult would believe it.

None the less, the Trump regieme is entirely responsible for snatching someone entitled to due course under the law, and railroads him to a dangerous (and possibly lethal) fate.

This is not what Americans do. It is flagrantly contrary to both our laws and Constitution.

The really bad thing about it is that the Supreme Court was ambiguous enough to allow him to skate accountability.

Now, Trump will defy the rule of law and the Supreme Court, and rule by decree (Executive Order), just like the dictator he always wanted to be.

 

[TimFitz]

He is an El Salvador citizen and not an US citizen, that is fact.

It was his defense that argued he was in a gang, this making it “too dangerous” to deport him.

And therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the Court, entitled to due process under the law.

If the government has evidence to present it, they should. That’s the normal procedure.

He is entitled to it. So says th the Supreme Court. Same as you or me.

And that’s the point.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He established his right to be here years ago.-

I'm sorry, I need to correct this statement.

There is no right to enter the country illegally, and remain. When it comes to immigration and naturalization the Constitution (Article I, Section 8) provides the power to Congress to define the laws. (Laws that the Constitution requires the President to faithfully execute (Article III, Section 3).

So Abrego Garcia entered the country illegally around 2011, was detained in 2019 and applied for asylum because he was running away from gangs trying to force him to join. Judge Davis in 2019 invalidated the asylum request because of it not being timely submitted (IIRC is has to be within one year, his claim was 7 years or so out of date). The Judge did find he could be deported, however he placed a hold on the deportation to prevent him being deported to El Salvador where his life was in danger if he were returned.

All the Trump administration had to do was comply with 8 USC 1231 (law passed by Congress) and locate a 3rd country (not El Salvador) that would accept him, then file a motion with the judge to have the hold lifted and deportation could continue.

WW

 

[Rigby5]

Foreign aid for an ally.

If they do not return Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, then they are not an "ally" at all and deserve nothing.

 

[Rigby5]

Then the U.S. must honor its contract. Is there a clause in it about the U.S. changing its mind and being able to withold payments?

Yes.
Since sending Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia even by accident was illegal, it voids any contract until the violation of law is corrected by returning Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia.