Kennedy Assassination, no conspiracy when it’s documented

[candycorn]

Please tell me where I said that they were professional snipers. I’d love to see that, you ******* idiot.

Someone hired amateur snipers?

 

[Soupnazi630]

You’re unreasonably obtuse.

He got a score in 1959, 3 years later after once scoring a 212 in 1956, of 191; barely qualifying him as a “marksman.” Not a “sharpshooter,” anymore. And never an “expert.” (ChatGPT)

So Oswald’s alleged remarkably accurate (and difficult) shots with a ******* Italian rifle on a moving target is patently ridiculous.

I never said he was an expert.

hHe was a sharpshooter which makes him a good shot.

They were not difficult shots. Anyone could have made them with little experience or training.

The target was moving away from him moron

It is never about movement it is about the angle. When a target moves away you only need to aim center mass and shoot before it disappears and he had plenty of time

I am not obtuse YOU ARE ignorant and know nothing about the assassination you idiot\
Stop watching lame movies by Oliver stone and get out of moms basement you are wrong and woefully out of touch

 

[Soupnazi630]

Getting away with murder isn’t the same thing as being a professional sniper, you moron.

Stupid question from a stupid shitlib troll.

There are lots of competing theories as to who else may have been behind the effort. Some of those folks could easily hide any such other conspirator.

There are no theories which have not been DISPROVEN.

 

[BackAgain]

lol…any other examples of a head of state’s shooter getting away with it for 60 years?

Irrelevant. Let’s say it had never happened before. So what? It’s not like a precedent is required. Damn, you’re stupid.

Ahh the old construction of another conspiracy theory to validate the first one that got slapped down.

First, nothing you’ve said slapped down anything I said.

Second. I’m not the one ascribing to Oswald the mental faculties that would have permitted him to choose a job where a future presidential motorcade would be routed so close to his “nest.” That’s your idiotic suggestion.

Notice that one of the first things Oswald said was that he was a “patsy?” Notice that within a day or so he was himself murdered in front of a crowd in a police station while cameras rolled? Notice how he couldn’t then ever be properly questioned or (if he had testified) been subject to cross examination?

Ffs, you never even question things like how a round fired from a rifle could go through a man’s back, come out through his neck, strike another man in the chest (striking a en along the way) then exist the chest to then enter the wrist shattering bone before passing through the wrist and into the second man’s thigh with not much more damage than a slight bend to the intact round?

Speaking of which, can you point to any other example of a projectile like that round striking bone but not being significantly distorted?

Someone hired amateur snipers?

Alternatively, you nitwit, other people did the actual shooting and they used Oswald as a patsy?

Notice what you don’t ask: simple questions like how many weird ass explanations you folks are required to swallow while (like gullible simpletons) in order to maintain your belief in the ridiculous “lone assassin” story?

 

[candycorn]

Irrelevant. Let’s say it had never happened before. So what? It’s not like a precedent is required. Damn, you’re stupid.

First, nothing you’ve said slapped down anything I said.

Second. I’m not the one ascribing to Oswald the mental faculties that would have permitted him to choose a job where a future presidential motorcade would be routed so close to his “nest.” That’s your idiotic suggestion.

Notice that one of the first things Oswald said was that he was a “patsy?” Notice that within a day or so he was himself murdered in front of a crowd in a police station while cameras rolled? Notice how he couldn’t then ever be properly questioned or (if he had testified) been subject to cross examination?

Ffs, you never even question things like how a round fired from a rifle could go through a man’s back, come out through his neck, strike another man in the chest (striking a en along the way) then exist the chest to then enter the wrist shattering bone before passing through the wrist and into the second man’s thigh with not much more damage than a slight bend to the intact round?

Speaking of which, can you point to any other example of a projectile like that round striking bone but not being significantly distorted?

Alternatively, you nitwit, other people did the actual shooting and they used Oswald as a patsy?

Notice what you don’t ask: simple questions like how many weird ass explanations you folks are required to swallow while (like gullible simpletons) in order to maintain your belief in the ridiculous “lone assassin” story?

Oh how silly.

2 snipers and 2 hits. Never happened.

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As for the event itself, I think Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas on that day but the circumstances that put him there are far more sinister. It doesn’t involve any heads-of-state or the much more intriguing “inside job”.

I have no evidence to base this on but here is what I think happened based on the fact that he didn’t bring his revolver to work; he didn’t think he’d need it.

In October '63, Oswald visited the Russian and Cuban embassies in Mexico City. That is a fact. What was discussed is not known but he probably wanted to defect again. Russia turned him down flat. Then he went to Cuba. They humored him but didn’t say yes. At that point I think he offered his services to some junior g-man level employee who essentially said, “knock yourself out” when he said he’d execute Kennedy. Oswald wanted, in return, an escape plan...nothing more. The junior g-man said there would be a plane to take him to Cuba after. In my theory, there is a Cuban intel officer in Dallas that assures LHO that he will be ferried out of Dallas.

In fact... There is a specious report of a plane being chartered under the guise of it being sold; this happened at an airstrip south of Dallas.

The Mystery of Red Bird Airport

Larry Hancock explores the possible use of the Dallas private airfield for covert goverment operations during the period around JFK's assassination.

www.kennedysandking.com

But if that is part of my story or not...I don’t know.

Anyway....

One of four things happen at this point...all of which are “wins” from the view of the Cuban official

1. Oswald just goes away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers.
2. Oswald tries it and succeeds. “Big” win for Cuba and communism and the staffers
3. Oswlad tries it and fails and gets away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers
4. Oswald tries it and fails and gets arrested. At this point, he tells the Feds that he was working for the Cuban government--maybe. The proof? Nobody in Havana knows about it; the station chief in Mexico City knows nothing about it. The only contact Oswald had with anyone from Cuba in this regard is the JGM and his intermediary on the streets in Dallas. Neither of whom are going to own up to it.

We all know what happened. Oswald kills Kennedy. Then, instead of having any sort of escape plan that comes to fruition, he’s left in the lurch by the Cubans. As a result, He basically stays in the city running in circles, kills a cop, then hides in a theater.

A). it sure seems to me that this isn’t much of a plan
B). it sure seems to me that if this was his plan, he wouldn’t have wasted any time going home to get his revolver as part of it...why not carry it with him?

The only logical explanation I can come up with is that he didn’t think he’d need it. If he didn’t think he’d need it, there is a reson for that. The only avenue at that point is that he thought he had an accomplice after the fact.

 

[BackAgain]

I never said he was an expert.

hHe was a sharpshooter which makes him a good shot.

Wrong. In 1956 he barely qualified as a sharpshooter. In 1959 he barely qualified as even a marksman.

They were not difficult shots. Anyone could have made them with little experience or training.

Nonsense. Real experts had difficulty even getting off three shots from that rifle in the allotted time. Just review what even the WARREN Commission report ascertained.

The target was moving away from him moron

Hey retard. The target was the President in a moving vehicle moving away from the book depository. Nobody has said otherwise. You dumbass.

It is never about movement it is about the angle. When a target moves away you only need to aim center mass and shoot before it disappears and he had plenty of time

The WC expert shooters failed in their first attempts, across the board. They then did some practicing and accuracy varied widely. Indeed, after all such testing, only one such expert was able to hit the target two times. Some got me hit. Some never did strike the target.

I am not obtuse YOU ARE ignorant and know nothing about the assassination you idiot

No. You are obtuse and shallow and the ignorant one you retard. You are incapable of independent thought.

Stop watching lame movies by Oliver stone and get out of moms basement you are wrong and woefully out of touch

Unlike you, I don’t accept fiction like Oliver Stone’s movie or the Warren Commission Distort as reliable in light of what we all can see. You are a very gullible little useful idiot.

Why is it so crucial to you to accept every ducking thing the Warren Commission allegedly “determined?” I mean, I don’t care that you do. The “lone assassin” theory is weirdly comforting. But that doesn’t make it realistic.

Was Oswald involved? Maybe. Perhaps even “probably.” But does that mean that he alone is responsible for the murder of our former President? No. It certainly does not.

 

[BackAgain]

There are no theories which have not been DISPROVEN.

Nonsense.

Challenged? Sure. Disproved? Bullshit.

 

[BackAgain]

Oh how silly.

2 snipers and 2 hits. Never happened.

========

As for the event itself, I think Oswald was the lone gunman in Dallas on that day but the circumstances that put him there are far more sinister. It doesn’t involve any heads-of-state or the much more intriguing “inside job”.

I have no evidence to base this on but here is what I think happened based on the fact that he didn’t bring his revolver to work; he didn’t think he’d need it.

In October '63, Oswald visited the Russian and Cuban embassies in Mexico City. That is a fact. What was discussed is not known but he probably wanted to defect again. Russia turned him down flat. Then he went to Cuba. They humored him but didn’t say yes. At that point I think he offered his services to some junior g-man level employee who essentially said, “knock yourself out” when he said he’d execute Kennedy. Oswald wanted, in return, an escape plan...nothing more. The junior g-man said there would be a plane to take him to Cuba after. In my theory, there is a Cuban intel officer in Dallas that assures LHO that he will be ferried out of Dallas.

In fact... There is a specious report of a plane being chartered under the guise of it being sold; this happened at an airstrip south of Dallas.

The Mystery of Red Bird Airport

Larry Hancock explores the possible use of the Dallas private airfield for covert goverment operations during the period around JFK's assassination.

www.kennedysandking.com

But if that is part of my story or not...I don’t know.

Anyway....

One of four things happen at this point...all of which are “wins” from the view of the Cuban official

1. Oswald just goes away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers.
2. Oswald tries it and succeeds. “Big” win for Cuba and communism and the staffers
3. Oswlad tries it and fails and gets away. No harm to Cuba or the staffers
4. Oswald tries it and fails and gets arrested. At this point, he tells the Feds that he was working for the Cuban government--maybe. The proof? Nobody in Havana knows about it; the station chief in Mexico City knows nothing about it. The only contact Oswald had with anyone from Cuba in this regard is the JGM and his intermediary on the streets in Dallas. Neither of whom are going to own up to it.

We all know what happened. Oswald kills Kennedy. Then, instead of having any sort of escape plan that comes to fruition, he’s left in the lurch by the Cubans. As a result, He basically stays in the city running in circles, kills a cop, then hides in a theater.

A). it sure seems to me that this isn’t much of a plan
B). it sure seems to me that if this was his plan, he wouldn’t have wasted any time going home to get his revolver as part of it...why not carry it with him?

The only logical explanation I can come up with is that he didn’t think he’d need it. If he didn’t think he’d need it, there is a reson for that. The only avenue at that point is that he thought he had an accomplice after the fact.

You have less than zero clue about this matter.

It’s also still unclear why you find it so imperative to defend the ridiculous conclusions of the Warren Commission Distort.

 

[candycorn]

You have less than zero clue about this matter.

It’s also still unclear why you find it so imperative to defend the ridiculous conclusions of the Warren Commission Distort.

Outside of Oswald being the only conspirator, they got it almost all right. Hence you being pathetically reduced to saying 2 snipers scored 2 hits only. If I were you, I'd be embarrassed. But you're a Trump worshiper...you're well beyond shame at this point.

 

[BackAgain]

Outside of Oswald being the only conspirator,

There is no such thing as a one person conspiracy, you imbecile.

they got it almost all right.

They got some things right. For example, they managed to figure out that Kennedy had been assassinated.

Hence you being pathetically reduced to saying 2 snipers scored 2 hits only. If I were you, I'd be embarrassed. But you're a Trump worshiper...you're well beyond shame at this point.

I stand by what I’ve said and reject your petty ignorant and dishonest efforts to spin and distort what I said and what I maintain.

You aren’t a reliable reporter.

Also, I don’t worship Trump. Your problem on that point is that you are so unreasonable in judging him on all things, you see anyone who isn’t as hate-blinded as you are as being his “worshippers.”

You’re a ******* retard.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Irrelevant. Let’s say it had never happened before. So what? It’s not like a precedent is required. Damn, you’re stupid.

First, nothing you’ve said slapped down anything I said.

Second. I’m not the one ascribing to Oswald the mental faculties that would have permitted him to choose a job where a future presidential motorcade would be routed so close to his “nest.” That’s your idiotic suggestion.

Notice that one of the first things Oswald said was that he was a “patsy?” Notice that within a day or so he was himself murdered in front of a crowd in a police station while cameras rolled? Notice how he couldn’t then ever be properly questioned or (if he had testified) been subject to cross examination?

Ffs, you never even question things like how a round fired from a rifle could go through a man’s back, come out through his neck, strike another man in the chest (striking a en along the way) then exist the chest to then enter the wrist shattering bone before passing through the wrist and into the second man’s thigh with not much more damage than a slight bend to the intact round?

Speaking of which, can you point to any other example of a projectile like that round striking bone but not being significantly distorted?

Alternatively, you nitwit, other people did the actual shooting and they used Oswald as a patsy?

Notice what you don’t ask: simple questions like how many weird ass explanations you folks are required to swallow while (like gullible simpletons) in order to maintain your belief in the ridiculous “lone assassin” story?

Yes all of your claims have been slapped down

Claiming to be a patsy means nothing other than a slightly odd choice of words. Most criminals protest the allegations against them in one way or another.

he was in fact questuoned repeatedly by press and cops.

The bullet was damaged in a manner consitent with those strikes. Those who disagree simply do not understand how ballistics work. The bullet was a tumbler which is why it struck bone back end first which is where the damage was.

The lone assasin is what is proven by evidence. You have none. Asking questions is fine but you refuse to grasp the answers

 

[Soupnazi630]

You have less than zero clue about this matter.

It’s also still unclear why you find it so imperative to defend the ridiculous conclusions of the Warren Commission Distort.

It is unclear why you call the arren commission report ridiculous yet you have bever read it and cannot provide evidence to dispute it

 

[Soupnazi630]

Nonsense.

Challenged? Sure. Disproved? Bullshit.

Disproven fact

They have all been disproven including gthe silly ligttle claims of yours which HAVE BEEN slapped down and shredded

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong. In 1956 he barely qualified as a sharpshooter. In 1959 he barely qualified as even a marksman.

Nonsense. Real experts had difficulty even getting off three shots from that rifle in the allotted time. Just review what even the WARREN Commission report ascertained.

Hey retard. The target was the President in a moving vehicle moving away from the book depository. Nobody has said otherwise. You dumbass.


The WC expert shooters failed in their first attempts, across the board. They then did some practicing and accuracy varied widely. Indeed, after all such testing, only one such expert was able to hit the target two times. Some got me hit. Some never did strike the target.

No. You are obtuse and shallow and the ignorant one you retard. You are incapable of independent thought.

Unlike you, I don’t accept fiction like Oliver Stone’s movie or the Warren Commission Distort as reliable in light of what we all can see. You are a very gullible little useful idiot.

Why is it so crucial to you to accept every ducking thing the Warren Commission allegedly “determined?” I mean, I don’t care that you do. The “lone assassin” theory is weirdly comforting. But that doesn’t make it realistic.

Was Oswald involved? Maybe. Perhaps even “probably.” But does that mean that he alone is responsible for the murder of our former President? No. It certainly does not.

Barely queslified is qualified and in the marines their standards are high which proves beyond question he was a good shot,
the WC shooters proved CONCLUSIVELY that he was easily able to hit the target the way he did they did not fail in any attempt at testing it,

They easily got three shots off BEATING his time.

You are ignorant and wrong

No I am informed and educated on this subhect hyou are a drllign fool who knows nothingabiut it

You question NOTHING you spout inane false hoods. Such as oout right lies about the experts who easily proved he could have easiily done what he did. They did not fail as you claimed

Why are you attacking the WC report ebven though you are a stupid fool who never read it?
You have no clue what it says and can only criticize it in ignorance

You cannot touch the conclusions and all of yours claims are MASSIVELY wrong

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

In “Behold a Pale Horse” published in 1991, former Intelligence Officer William Cooper writes, “On the that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that shot Kennedy in the head…”

Conspiracy theories just get loonier and loonier.

 

[tyroneweaver]

In “Behold a Pale Horse” published in 1991, former Intelligence Officer William Cooper writes, “On the that I learned that the Office of Naval Intelligence had participated in the assassination of President John F Kennedy and that it was the Secret Service agent driving the limo that shot Kennedy in the head…”

not true. I shot jfk

 

[BackAgain]

Yes all of your claims have been slapped down

If by “all” you mean “none.” Otherwise, you’re wrong as usual.

Claiming to be a patsy means nothing other than a slightly odd choice of words. Most criminals protest the allegations against them in one way or another.

Maybe. But it’s also what innocent people say, you moron.

he was in fact questuoned repeatedly by press and cops.

The press got nothing much except his claim of having been a patsy. The cops didn’t cover themselves in glory in anything they asked.

The bullet was damaged in a manner consitent with those strikes.

Not really. You do tend to buy fantasy when it suits your agenda.

Those who disagree simply do not understand how ballistics work.

Those, like you, who defend that particular “expert testimony” know nothing at all about forensics.

The bullet was a tumbler which is why it struck bone back end first which is where the damage was.

I don’t doubt that it tumbled after going through the President's back and out of his throat. And there was an indentation on the back of the round, so maybe that’s the part that glances the rib of the Governor. But it continues out of the Governor’s chest and in and out of his wrist fracturing bone on the way before entering the Governor’s thigh.

A rifle shot (rumbling or not) which has sufficient force to shatter bone is going to be far more distorted than that magic bullet.

The lone assasin is what is proven by evidence.

It isn’t proved at all. Instead, the evidence suggests at least two shooters.

You have none.

None that a moron like you cares to acknowledge. But I don’t care about your mindlessness.

Asking questions is fine but you refuse to grasp the answers

I can and do say the same about you. But you won’t even admit that the questions raised lead inexorably to the conclusion that it took more than one person to have arranged to kill President Kennedy, do so and then cover it all up.

Far too many perfectly legit questions.

Far too few reasonable answers. Therefore, you lap it all up.

 

[ChrisMarsei14]

How would you know, you never read it.

Did you read it [WC]?

 

[ChrisMarsei14]

The magic bullet theory was invented by conspiracy theorists such as yourself

No one accepts the idea that there were other shooters it is imagination with NO evidence

Many people accept that idea.

 

[ChrisMarsei14]

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