Keeping Trump off the ballot disenfranchises NO ONE

[Crick]

Poor cricket.
The sky is falling, and here comes MAGA!!!!!!!
OH NO!!!!!!!!!

So you don't actually have any facts, logic or reasoning to apply to the argument here.

 

[meaner gene]

That is for the voters to decide. The Constitution says that Trump is still eligible.

This is where you're wrong The constitution, Amendment 14 Section 3 made Trump ineligible, and it's not for the voters to decide, but for congress to decide. Congress by a vote of 2/3rds of both houses can remove that disability.

So write your congressman and senator to put Trump back on the ballot.

 

[Crick]

I am far from the first person to point out Trump frequently accuses his opponents of exactly what he is doing or did. This is just another example. "Trump did his damnedest after the 2020 election to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters."

And his followers have taken up the practice.

 

[kaz]

Our choices for the presidency are not universal. There are millions of Americans, billions of people, for whom the US Constitution will not allow anyone to vote. We cannot vote for anyone under 35. We cannot vote for anyone who is not a naturalized citizen. We cannot vote for anyone that hasn't been a US resident for at least 14 years. And we cannot vote for anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the US Constitution and then been involved in an insurrection against the US government. Trump keeps screaming that finding him ineligible for office would disenfranchise all his supporters. But no one would be any more disenfranchised by that restriction than they are by the others. The disenfranchised are those who cast valid votes which don't get counted or those who are not allowed to vote at all. Trump did his damnedest after the 2020 election to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters so the claim that he's concerned about anyone's vote rings like a massive bell of dried horseshit.

Democrats are the dumbest ***** ever saying keeping your primary opponent off the ballot isn't rigging an election. The pedophile you're voting for is a whole lot more treasonous not doing his job protecting the borders or letting the military or even people on the streets defend ourselves. You are Stalinists, vermin

 

[dblack]

There's a fair chance that MAGA will destroy this nation. Watch closely. You'll want to tell your grandchildren all about it.

Agreed, though I don't think it's fair to pin it all on Trump or MAGA. Shit happens, but for reasons.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and VicePresident, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who,having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, oras a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to supportthe Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against thesame, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds ofeach House, remove such disability.​

Support what language? Amendments to the US Constitution? Majority decisions in at least three-fourths of the states. The 14th Amendment was fully ratified on July 28, 1868. It's primary purpose was extending civil rights to the nation's former slaves.

14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Civil Rights (1868)

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so why wasnt all this shit brought up the week trump said he was running?.....they should have stopped him then.....now its interfering in an election....

 

[SeaMajor7]

There's a fair chance that MAGA will destroy this nation. Watch closely. You'll want to tell your grandchildren all about it.

Yeah, just like rising sea levels are going to inundate Long Island any day now.

Damn dude, who did this to you????

 

[BackAgain]

It is simply another Constitutional restriction. It is no more disenfranchising than is the requirement that one be 35 or over, a naturalized citizen and a resident of at least 14 years standing. What is mindless is the acceptance of Trump's ignorant whine.

You are confused.

The age requirement would keep a 33 year old off the ballot. No big deal.

But the disqualification for someone who engaged in “insurrection” doesn’t automatically keep anyone off the ballot unless that person has been proved guilty of having been an insurrectionist.

If Trump had ever been charged and tried and convicted of insurrection in a federal criminal court, then he would be disqualified. Absent that, using the disqualification provision to keep him off the ballot is absolutely a move to disenfranchise all his supporters.

 

[kyzr]

This is where you're wrong The constitution, Amendment 14 Section 3 made Trump ineligible, and it's not for the voters to decide, but for congress to decide. Congress by a vote of 2/3rds of both houses can remove that disability.
So write your congressman and senator to put Trump back on the ballot.

Nope. I'm right. You have it ass-backwards.
Amendment-14, Section-3, can ONLY be enforced by a vote of CONGRESS to disqualify someone.
Trump is eligible until congress makes him ineligible.

 

[SeaMajor7]

So you don't actually have any facts, logic or reasoning to apply to the argument here.

All you have is HYSTERIA

 

[BackAgain]

The Constitution specifially says

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and VicePresident, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who,having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, oras a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to supportthe Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against thesame, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds ofeach House, remove such disability.​

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment does not expressly require a criminal conviction, and historically,one was not necessary. Reconstruction Era federal prosecutors brought civil actions in court to oustofficials linked to the Confederacy, and Congress in some cases took action to refuse to seat Members.​

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10569#:~:text=Section%203%20of%20the%20Fourteenth%20Amendment%20does%20not%20expressly%20require,to%20refuse%20to%20seat%20Members.

I know. And as I said, it absolutely doesn’t say that he isn’t presently qualified.

 

[Auld Phart]

I agree. And, of course, Both Trump and Bush Jr took office with a minority of the popular vote, which I find a more serious problem. I personally think we should have gone to direct elections years ago. I believe the Electoral College was established in order to maintain the control of the elite.

You realize that even direct elections will not eliminate that problem. If you get 51% for Candidate A and 49% for Candidate B, those 49% get their votes trashcanned. But that's how democracy works. I like Ranked Choice voting. It could make a lot of people happier with any given outcome.

The US has four times the population of Germany and more than 56 times that of Denmark. We're all aware of the problem. What's needed is some solutions. Got any?

I believe the Electoral College was established in order to maintain the control of the elite.

If the electoral college was established to maintain control by the elites, small states wouldn't have a voice.

 

[Crick]

Your premise is wrong -
He wanted to make sure that all legal votes were counted and that statically[sic] zero illegal votes were counted.

He wanted to win no matter what. He spent months sowing distrust of perfectly safe, well-established voting methods because they demographically favored the elderly and the young and it gave him a crack in which to pry come November 3rd.

I know that you are aware that every illegal vote counted, helps to disenfranchise legal votes.

The number of illegal votes in the 2020 election were absolutely microscopic in number and tended very slightly towards Trump not Biden.

We have never previously had a federal election with so much opportunity for fraudulent ballots to be cast.

Bullshit. We have never had a more secure federal election.

Every patriotic citizen should want what President Trump wanted, yes?

Every citizen should want to know the truth and the truth was that Trump has some serious psychological problems with losing and was - and still is - willing to do just about anything to be able to say he won. Trump lost the 2020 election by over 7 million votes because 1) His utterly irresponsible management of the COVID-19 pandemic cost the lives of over 200,000 Americans and 2) People were just tired of his ignorant drama, even if they liked the directions he was pushing us in.

 

[Crick]

Do you have any knowledge of history all at?

Yes.

 

[marvin martian]

Our choices for the presidency are not universal. There are millions of Americans, billions of people, for whom the US Constitution will not allow anyone to vote. We cannot vote for anyone under 35. We cannot vote for anyone who is not a naturalized citizen. We cannot vote for anyone that hasn't been a US resident for at least 14 years. And we cannot vote for anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the US Constitution and then been involved in an insurrection against the US government. Trump keeps screaming that finding him ineligible for office would disenfranchise all his supporters. But no one would be any more disenfranchised by that restriction than they are by the others. The disenfranchised are those who cast valid votes which don't get counted or those who are not allowed to vote at all. Trump did his damnedest after the 2020 election to disenfranchise millions of Biden voters so the claim that he's concerned about anyone's vote rings like a massive bell of dried horseshit.

Spoken like the one-party fascist you are.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Trump lost the 2020 election by over 7 million votes

Trump lost the election by 38 votes.

 

[Crick]

you were talking constitution above....now its the court.....either way the election has been interfered with...

The campaigns are not the sacred cows you seem to think they are. You don't get to run JUST because you say you want to. If Trump turns out not to meet the Constitution's requirements, he can not run. That's why they call this a constitutional republic. We are ruled by that document, not by who can shout the loudest. If you don't like 14/3, feel free to start an amendment to get rid of it. I'm sure people are already working on that.

 

[Crick]

I know. And as I said, it absolutely doesn’t say that he isn’t presently qualified.

I and a lot of other Americans are fully convinced that it does. So was the Supreme Court of the state of Colorado and the Secretary of State for Maine and likely a number of other courts and officials now waiting for SCOTUS to weigh in.

 

[Crick]

If the electoral college was established to maintain control by the elites, small states wouldn't have a voice.

Did you mean to say that if it had NOT been established? If so, I agree. My problem is that were I given the authority, I would eliminate all the US states. For that matter, I would eliminate all the world's countries. I'm for a single world governmetn. But unless I find that Fountain of Youth, I really don't think I've gonna see it.

 

[Billiejeens]

Yes.

Why have you chosen to not exhibit any?