Kazakh president asks Russia-led bloc for military help

[rupol2000]

lol, at least Elizaveta's father, Peter the Great oficially proclaimed foundation of the Russian Empire

I know of course that Ukraine is the center of the Universe, but it is not Ukraine which makes Russia an Empire or a superpower.
Regardless of the fact that Tom declined from elaborating own view on it..

There is no information that in the 18th century the territory of Moscow's possessions extended beyond the city of Moscow and the vassal hetmanate in Ukraine. after the partitions of Poland, they annexed another part of Western Ukraine, and that's all. What Peter said is not important, anyone can say it.

 

[Siberian]

Siberian
S gondonamy sporit - tolko nervy sebe motat. Ony konchennye vse. Especially those who dwell in the west now. What do they do there? Cleaning toilets must be their main occupation.

I disagree, Ukrainians are the past and future Russians.
Brainwashing makes miracles, so, it can be reversed with another brainwashing.
Just first they must go their way to the end, to collapse of Ukraine. Or liberation will be in vain.

It's like Socialism, the idea must die by itself via its self fiasco, or its bearers will resist.

 

[Siberian]

There is no information that in the 18th century the territory of Moscow's possessions extended beyond the city of Moscow and the vassal hetmanate in Ukraine. after the partitions of Poland, they annexed another part of Western Ukraine, and that's all. What Peter said is not important, anyone can say it.

John, you have a brother in arms to exchange your weird information on Russia
or just your weird information on everything

 

[rupol2000]

I disagree, Ukrainians are the past and future Russians

They have never been Russian. the original Russians are Litvins / Balts. From there, part of Moscow, Golyad is a Baltic tribe. They didn't even speak Slavonic. It is a fact.

Голядский язык — Википедия

ru.wikipedia.org

Almost the entire territory of Russia is the territory of the Golden Horde and not historical Russia. And the Sami lived in the North. This is known to any literate person, stop fooling around. Ukrainians are related only to the inhabitants of the central black earth region, the Volga region and the Urals.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I disagree, Ukrainians are the past and future Russians.
Brainwashing makes miracles, so, it can be reversed with another brainwashing.
Just first they must go their way to the end, to collapse of Ukraine. Or liberation will be in vain.

It's like Socialism, the idea must die by itself via its self fiasco, or its bearers will resist.

Ours is not brainwashing, it's cleaning up the act or debugging, you know. Theirs are the spies, ours are intelligence officers.

 

[Siberian]

They have never been Russian. the original Russians are Litvins / Balts. From there, part of Moscow, Golyad is a Baltic tribe. They didn't even speak Slavonic. It is a fact.

Голядский язык — Википедия

ru.wikipedia.org

Almost the entire territory of Russia is the territory of the Golden Horde and not historical Russia. And the Sami lived in the North. This is known to any literate person, stop fooling around. Ukrainians are related only to the inhabitants of the central black earth region, the Volga region and the Urals.

ok, you will be debugged into having self-identification of Golyad..

 

[rupol2000]

or just your weird information on everything

This is a common history, official. Read about the partition of Poland, and what exactly went to Moscow.

 

[Siberian]

They have never been Russian. the original Russians are Litvins / Balts. From there, part of Moscow, Golyad is a Baltic tribe. They didn't even speak Slavonic. It is a fact.

Голядский язык — Википедия

ru.wikipedia.org

Almost the entire territory of Russia is the territory of the Golden Horde and not historical Russia. And the Sami lived in the North. This is known to any literate person, stop fooling around. Ukrainians are related only to the inhabitants of the central black earth region, the Volga region and the Urals.

but, you are partially right that thete is certain natural area in Eurasia, which dominant civilization naturally fills.
Approximately from Danube to the Pacific ocean, the Great Steppe.

Once it was Golden Horde, then - Russia.
And probably in nearest 500 years there will hardly be any other force but Russia to fill it. And as Russia comes out of this or any other crisis it will expand to these natural limits.

So, the future of Ukraine is obvious and definite.

And, as it is said, those whobagree are led by the History, those who disagree are dragged by it.

Ukrainians have no other future but to be Russians.

 

[rupol2000]

but, you are partially right that thete is certain natural area in Eurasia, which dominant civilization naturally fills.
Approximately from Danube to the Pacific ocean, the Great Steppe.

Once it was Golden Horde, then - Russia.
And probably in nearest 500 years there will hardly be any other force but Russia to fill it. And as Russia comes out of this or any other crisis it will expand to these natural limits.

So, the future of Ukraine is obvious and definite.

And, as it is said, those whobagree are led by the History, those who disagree are dragged by it.

Ukrainians have no other future but to be Russians.

I could partially agree with this, but only with the proviso that it should be the original steppe culture of these peoples, and not the hidden Eurocentrism that the modern Moscow authorities are trying to camouflage with an imaginary confrontation with the West. This must be a real East, not a fictitious one.

 

[JohnDB]

but, you are partially right that thete is certain natural area in Eurasia, which dominant civilization naturally fills.
Approximately from Danube to the Pacific ocean, the Great Steppe.

Once it was Golden Horde, then - Russia.
And probably in nearest 500 years there will hardly be any other force but Russia to fill it. And as Russia comes out of this or any other crisis it will expand to these natural limits.

So, the future of Ukraine is obvious and definite.

And, as it is said, those whobagree are led by the History, those who disagree are dragged by it.

Ukrainians have no other future but to be Russians.

That would be a pipe dream about a USSR that is dead and gone...and the current leader of Russia who believes in it will take all those who follow that dream into poverty and chaos. Where thugs and thieves steal all your labor and wages from it. They steal your children's futures to where they won't have any.

There's no place to hide in the world anymore...your presence on this forum proves that.

Now if Putin was to actually let go of the past and actually work towards joining the present world he truly lives in I would say that Ukraine should align with Russia as well as it's other neighbors. But that's the whole issue right there.

He would rather support a system of corruption than honesty and integrity.

 

[Siberian]

That would be a pipe dream about a USSR that is dead and gone...and the current leader of Russia who believes in it will take all those who follow that dream into poverty and chaos. Where thugs and thieves steal all your labor and wages from it. They steal your children's futures to where they won't have any.

There's no place to hide in the world anymore...your presence on this forum proves that.

Now if Putin was to actually let go of the past and actually work towards joining the present world he truly lives in I would say that Ukraine should align with Russia as well as it's other neighbors. But that's the whole issue right there.

He would rather support a system of corruption than honesty and integrity.

John, I will tell you a secret.
Never in entire their History Russians have lived so good as during Putin's rule.
It may not be thanks to him only but it is a fact.

You are talking about corruption snd robbery so much, do you want me to explain to you the polilicy of nationalization of debt and spending and privatization of profits by American establishment?

You are worsexthan Ukraine in this regard and coming economic collapse will destroy you both, Ukraine and the US.

 

[AlexanderPK]

He would rather support a system of corruption than honesty and integrity.

Does that mean that Ukraine has those, absence of corruption, honesty and integrity? I used to think that honesty was a good thing. Now that Ukraine has finally become honest how come it became the poorest of them all?

 

[rupol2000]

Never in entire their History Russians have lived so good as during Putin's rule.
It may not be thanks to him only but it is a fact.

This is true only for the period of the 00s, and is most likely associated with Bush. When in the US Republicans in the USSR and Russia always thaw, starting with Eisenhower.
This did not happen to Trump, Trump is a fictitious Republican.