Kamala blames Trump for her disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal

[wamose]

Harris says stupid shit like that for two reasons. One is because she knows there are stupid people who will believe her. The other is because she's too dumb to come up with something that's actually plausible. MAGA

 

[Robert W]

Still, doesn't let Biden or Harris off the hook for a botched withdrawal.

Admittedly, most students of warfare note that withdrawal while engaged in combat can be a very complicated and tricky undertaking. Often one of the most challenging for any general.

There was a way to do this "Abandon Afghanistan" in a deliberate, measured, and effective way that likely would have seen fewer USA casualties and the bulk of essential gear, material, and weapons removed rather than left for the Taliban. Also one that wouldn't have left thousands of Americans and Afghan allies behind to suffer the revenge of the Taliban.

You know the truth. And from Biden himself he tells us he knows the truth that he was president and he fucked up Afghanistan.

 

[scruffy]

Before the withdrawal outcome, Bagram Air Base was emptied and wasn't part of Trump's plan .. not to mention the withdrawal timeline. Under the advisement of military leaders, Biden / Harris were against using Bagram as a more secure point for withdrawal and instead gave the makeshift base in Kabul the focal point, leading to a bloodbath and the death of 13 servicemen. What a piece of work when she was the last person in the room, which she often boasts about, to lead to this outcome. No regrets .. only blaming.

More bullshit from the lying leftards.

Biden owns Afghanistan. Just like he owns the illegal immigrants situation and the borders.

Democrats are scum, they own 100% of this bullshit.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump wasn't the president... stop it already...

Trump wasn't president when the withdrawal timeline occurred

So those 10,100 troops he withdrew in 2020 under the Doha Agreement didn't happen under Benedict Donald? How about the 5 based he abandoned? That didn't happen in 2020? How about the 5 to 1 prisoner swap he forced on the Afghans? That was Joe Biden that did that in 2020 while he was not president?

Benedict Donald lie last night about the Accords when he said he pulled out of it. He didn't put the Troop he withdrew. He didn't retake the 5 bases had abandoned, nor could he recapture the 5,000 Taliban fighters he freed.

Talk about living in denial!

 

[jotathought]

So those 10,100 troops he withdrew in 2020 under the Doha Agreement didn't happen under Benedict Donald? How about the 5 based he abandoned? That didn't happen in 2020? How about the 5 to 1 prisoner swap he forced on the Afghans? That was Joe Biden that did that in 2020 while he was not president?

Benedict Donald lie last night about the Accords when he said he pulled out of it. He didn't put the Troop he withdrew. He didn't retake the 5 bases had abandoned, nor could he recapture the 5,000 Taliban fighters he freed.

Talk about living in denial!

You're obviously missing the point .. Strategy is not the same as the execution of strategy. Trump set up the agreement, and Biden / Harris executed their plan late and ignored military leadership guidance to extract from a secured location.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump set up the agreement, and Biden / Harris executed their plan late and ignored military leadership guidance

You're leaving out the part where Benedict Donald complied with nearly all of our conditions set up in that agreement within 135 days of the signing of the agreement, while allowing the Taliban to not comply with their end of the agreement. He even tried to remove all troops months before the May 1st deadline but had to flip flop on that after discussions with the Military. That's when he ordered his final troop reduction down to 2,500 soldiers. Basically Benedict left America with it's dick swinging in the wind. To keep those 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan would have meant going back to war with the Taliban, redeploying more soldier, and continuing the longest war in our history. Most importantly it would have meant many more causalities. Imo, President Biden made the right choice in removing those 2,500 soldier and ending the occupation of Afghanistan and ending the failed nation building exercise.

 

[Rambunctious]

So those 10,100 troops he withdrew in 2020 under the Doha Agreement didn't happen under Benedict Donald? How about the 5 based he abandoned? That didn't happen in 2020? How about the 5 to 1 prisoner swap he forced on the Afghans? That was Joe Biden that did that in 2020 while he was not president?

Benedict Donald lie last night about the Accords when he said he pulled out of it. He didn't put the Troop he withdrew. He didn't retake the 5 bases had abandoned, nor could he recapture the 5,000 Taliban fighters he freed.

Talk about living in denial!

Had zero to do with Kamala's and Biden's surrender and evacuation.... Trump's plan was working... no US or coalition troops were targeted and killed for 18 months as per agreement... our troops were air and drone support only... the Afghan army was gaining confidence and keeping the tribes at bay...
You can keep trying to blame Trump for Biden and Harris's' mistakes but it only shows just how badly they fucked up...
And for her to smirk while Trump was talking about gold star families may have lost her this election....

 

[BlindBoo]

Had zero to do with Kamala's and Biden's surrender and evacuation.... Trump's plan was working... no US or coalition troops were targeted and killed for 18 months as per agreement... our troops were air and drone support only... the Afghan army was gaining confidence and keeping the tribes at bay...
You can keep trying to blame Trump for Biden and Harris's' mistakes but it only shows just how badly they fucked up...
And for her to smirk while Trump was talking about gold star families may have lost her this election....

There were no Combat deaths under Biden and the truce held throughout the evacuation. Only the tragic deaths were due to an ISIS suicide bomber.

You're also 'leaving out the part where Benedict Donald complied with nearly all of our conditions set up in that agreement within 135 days of the signing of the agreement, while allowing the Taliban to not comply with most all of their conditions in the agreement. He even tried to remove all troops months before the May 1st deadline but had to flip flop on that after discussions with the Military. That's when he ordered his final troop reduction down to 2,500 soldiers. Basically Benedict left America with it's dick swinging in the wind.'

Benedict Donald's implementation, or lack thereof, of the Doha Accord was working for the Taliban. By the time Benedict ordered the reduction of our troops to 2,500 they had taken control of over half the county.

To keep those 2,500 soldiers in Afghanistan would have meant going back to war with the Taliban, redeploying more soldier, and continuing the longest war in our history. Most importantly it would have meant many more causalities. Imo, President Biden made the right choice in removing those 2,500 soldier and ending the occupation of Afghanistan and ending the failed nation building exercise.

 

[Rambunctious]

There were no Combat deaths under Biden and the truce held throughout the evacuation. Only the tragic deaths were due to an ISIS suicide bomber.

Because Trump had them behind green zones and sent many back home... the very thing you complained about Trump doing... twisting in the wind boo?...

 

[BlindBoo]

Because Trump had them behind green zones and sent many back home... the very thing you complained about Trump doing... twisting in the wind boo?...

During Trumps near unconditional troop reductions in 2020 Afghanistan was descending into chaos and civil strife.

Afghan War Casualty Report: September 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 429 pro-government forces and 134 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in September.

www.nytimes.com

Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

www.nytimes.com

Afghan War Casualty Report: November 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 244 pro-government forces and 200 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in November.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Rambunctious]

During Trumps near unconditional troop reductions in 2020 Afghanistan was descending into chaos and civil strife.

Afghan War Casualty Report: September 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 429 pro-government forces and 134 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in September.

www.nytimes.com

Afghan War Casualty Report: October 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 369 pro-government forces and 212 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in October, marking the highest civilian death toll in a single month since September 2019.

www.nytimes.com

Afghan War Casualty Report: November 2020 (Published 2020)

At least 244 pro-government forces and 200 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in November.

www.nytimes.com

The deaths of Afghan troops did go up because they were finally in the fight not on base training... The Taliban was fighting their own side... unruly tribes who didn't not want the deal were fighting others who did... it was a mess but by every measure was getting better... and we were not dying until Joe came along....

 

[BlindBoo]

The deaths of Afghan troops did go up because they were finally in the fight not on base training.

The Doha Accords called for a truce right away between the two sides as well as starting talks for a lasting peace. Those conditions were never met before we met the 8,600 troop level by withdrawing 4,000 of them. Then over the course of 2020 we withdrew another 6,000 troops even though the conditions were never met. In fact the only condition they ever fully complied with was the truce between the US and our NATO allies.

 

[Independent thinker]

Before the withdrawal outcome, Bagram Air Base was emptied and wasn't part of Trump's plan .. not to mention the withdrawal timeline. Under the advisement of military leaders, Biden / Harris were against using Bagram as a more secure point for withdrawal and instead gave the makeshift base in Kabul the focal point, leading to a bloodbath and the death of 13 servicemen. What a piece of work when she was the last person in the room, which she often boasts about, to lead to this outcome. No regrets .. only blaming.

Would have been a good time for a fact check but the moderators were asleep at the wheel while Kamala was talking.

 

[Rambunctious]

The Doha Accords called for a truce right away between the two sides as well as starting talks for a lasting peace. Those conditions were never met before we met the 8,600 troop level by withdrawing 4,000 of them. Then over the course of 2020 we withdrew another 6,000 troops even though the conditions were never met. In fact the only condition they ever fully complied with was the truce between the US and our NATO allies.

That's crazy man... done right away?... with about two dozen tribes of Taliban each one with their own plan and needs... come on where do you get this crap... Once again and let this sink in this time... Trump cancelled multiple dates because the Taliban wasn't able to get cooperation from all the different tribes... listen dude... nothing about Abbey Gate was Trump's fault... not one thing...

 

[Arlette]

Isn't Trumpy the guy who wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David?

 

[BlindBoo]

That's crazy man... done right away?... with about two dozen tribes of Taliban each one with their own plan and needs... come on where do you get this crap... Once again and let this sink in this time... Trump cancelled multiple dates because the Taliban wasn't able to get cooperation from all the different tribes... listen dude... nothing about Abbey Gate was Trump's fault... not one thing...

He met the deadline for our troop withdrawals within the fist 135 days as well as abandoning 5 bases along with forcing the 5 to 1 prisoner swap. He hamstrung the next admonition with too few troops and allowing the Taliban to disregard all but the truce put them in a commanding position. To reverse course and stay in the country even with that skeleton force would have meant going back to combat with the Taliban.

The Doha Accord included a provision that the Taliban was going to crack down on terrorist like ISIS. They were actively bombing targets in Afghanistan throughout 2020. That didn't happen either. I'm not blaming that suicide bombing on anyone but the terrorist who carried it out because it is awful hard to stop a determined suicide bomber. Who was it that blamed RayGun for the 241 servicemen we lost one morning in Lebanon to suicide bombers?

 

[IM2]

Before the withdrawal outcome, Bagram Air Base was emptied and wasn't part of Trump's plan .. not to mention the withdrawal timeline. Under the advisement of military leaders, Biden / Harris were against using Bagram as a more secure point for withdrawal and instead gave the makeshift base in Kabul the focal point, leading to a bloodbath and the death of 13 servicemen. What a piece of work when she was the last person in the room, which she often boasts about, to lead to this outcome. No regrets .. only blaming.

Trumps deal with the taliban without involving the Afghan government allowed the Afghan government to walk awy from guarding facilities such as Bagram, and his agreement to release terrorists from prison is why 13 soldiers were killed by those released terrorists.

 

[Dante]

Before the withdrawal outcome, Bagram Air Base was emptied and wasn't part of Trump's plan .. not to mention the withdrawal timeline. Under the advisement of military leaders, Biden / Harris were against using Bagram as a more secure point for withdrawal and instead gave the makeshift base in Kabul the focal point, leading to a bloodbath and the death of 13 servicemen. What a piece of work when she was the last person in the room, which she often boasts about, to lead to this outcome. No regrets .. only blaming.

facts matter:

John Bolton Blames Trump for Afghanistan Withdrawal, Warns He’d Exit NATO in 2nd Term: ‘Extremely Erratic’ (Video)​

“He negotiated a deal with the Taliban that Biden later implemented,” Bolton says on NewsNation

 

[Dante]

Come on America... she can't ever be the president of the USA... she's a liar and a bad liar and our enemies laugh at her... she will get us into a war we have no business being in just because she is weak and dumb...

Retired Army Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster, a former national security adviser to ex-President Donald Trump, says Trump bears at least some of the blame for the botched U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan.

 

[Dante]

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Trump has been caught claiming credit for quite a few things he had little or nothing to do with. Trumps supporters have taken up his habit:

Trump’s ex-national security advisor fact-checks Newsmax host live on-air: 'Who cut the deal?'

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Trump’s ex-national security advisor fact-checks Newsmax host live on-air: 'Who cut the deal?'​

You don't know what you're talking about. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was Trump's deal, Trump's deal. He wanted everybody out.

Bolton and host Eric Bolling had a heated debate over Trump and Afghanistan. When Bolling claimed that Afghanistan wouldn't have fallen to the Taliban if Trump had stayed in office, Bolton reminded him that Biden was following Trump's deal.

Bolling told Bolton, "You know, what made us less safe is when Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan. Thirteen Americans died…. And now, the Taliban tells us, 'Back off, don't kill al-Qaeda.'"

Bolton responded, "Same thing they would have done under Donald Trump…. Who cut the deal, Eric?.... What would Trump have done had he been reelected?"

source: Fact Checking MAGA Live On-Air

The former national security adviser reminded Bolling that the withdrawal from Afghanistan "was Trump's deal," telling the Newsmax host, "Eric, you don't know what you're talking about. He wanted everybody out."

Bolton continued, "He cut a deal to do exactly that….. The record on that is clear."


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Who cut the deal? "The withdrawal from Afghanistan was Trump's deal." Fact-checking Newsmax host live on-air.

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