Just how bad is Covid 19?

[Blaine Sweeter]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

Almost all the casualties of COVID had pre-existing conditions. What is the actual number of 100% healthy people who died from COVID? Liberals want to keep the malaise of COVID going until after election.

Corpus Christi morgues are full and asking for freezer trailers to store the bodies in until they can be buried. The Houston Medical Center, one of the largest medical centers in the world, is almost out of beds.

I am familiar with the Houston Medical Center, they have 21 hospitals.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

You’re so full of shit, organ damage? You should be happy to be so dumb, it’s natural for you, stupid dumb fuck!!
The mortality rate is less than 1% and if it wasn’t for Cuomo we would be even lower. The problem we have is too many dumb ass morons like you Mac!

Yes, organ damage. Neurological damage. So you don't understand the difference between a mortality rate and what happens with people who survive.

You have been conned. I think you know it, which is why you guys melt down over any contrary facts. You can't just consume what your alternate universe gives you.

‘Mild’ cases of coronavirus may have serious long-term and recurring effects

Young people are experiencing serious symptoms.

thehill.com

"But people who seem to have “mild” cases may not have an easy time getting through the disease and in some cases may eventually require special treatment. Health experts are still learning about the illness and what the virus does in the human body. There have been reports of blood clotting and strokes in people in their 30s and 40s. Young children are developing rashes and other symptoms in a syndrome that is being linked to the coronavirus."

No where in this article does it state organ damage, you’re the idiot being conned, you understand man has been battling Cancer forever and still no cure, we just encountered COVID-19 and you use this lame ass article to justify organ damage? Not only have you been conned, I have the best real estate deal in the world for you, PM me and I’ll let you get in on it....

The information is all over the place. It's all over the news. Why deny something so obvious?

Only believing what you're told to believe really isn't a smart way to go through life.

The Hill is reporting what the specialists are saying:


It's not just lungs: Covid-19 may damage the heart, brain, and ...
www.advisory.com › daily-briefing › 2020/04/17 › org...

Apr 17, 2020 - "There is some concern that some of it may be due to direct influence of ... While doctors' reports of different types of organ damage in Covid-19 ...

Coronavirus: Kidney Damage Caused by COVID-19 | Johns ...
www.hopkinsmedicine.org › conditions-and-diseases

May 14, 2020 - Coronavirus Kidney Damage: A Serious Sign. Organ systems like the heart, lungs, liver and kidneys rely on and support one another's' ...
COVID-19 and Multiorgan Response - NCBI - NIH
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC7187881

Jump to Other Organ Involvement - ... other coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV and can lead to ... pathophysiology of acute respiratory failure in COVID-19 ...
by S Zaim - ‎Cited by 30 - ‎Related articles
‎Background · ‎Respiratory Involvement of ... · ‎Cardiovascular Involvement ...

The problem is that, unless they get it from their approved media, the Trumpsters won't believe it.

They could see a thousand news articles on it, with full corroboration, and they won't believe it.

Incredible. Fake News.

They're the Winstons of the world who are told to believe what they are told and not what they see.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
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Don't believe any of them in particular. Your common sense, or your gut is more trustworthy. Take a look at Dr. Faucci. I believe the dude knows his shit, but he has changed his story allot of times. So what does common sense say to do here? Well do the stuff that every medical pro has said to do.

1. Wash your hands allot.
2. Don't touch your face if you can avoid it.
3. Keep a mask handy.


So far those are the only recommended actions that don't really change. There is no need for all this panic.

The hardest thing I have found, is not touching your face. Allergies, itchy eyes, drives me nuts trying to avoid touching my face.

 

[Seawytch]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

The numbers are bad, but the Trumpsters want to ignore what's happening with many who survive. Damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and other other organs. Neurological damage, including to children and young adults. Unfortunately, talk radio purposely avoids that part, so they're probably not aware of it.

What is your solution?

Everyone go bankrupt from staying home?
Stunt our children's mental, social and educational growth by holding them back?

We MUST move forward the best we can while remaining diligent to areas with spikes and protecting the most vulnerable.

We CAN NOT stay locked in our homes.

Agreed.

At the same time, we have to be intelligent and honest about the risks as we manage them, and not allow partisan politics to pollute the conversation. Avoiding important facts like the damage done to the bodies and lives of many survivors is neither intelligent nor honest.

How do you suggest we micro manage all the details we have NO CONTROL OVER?

Keep the at risk protected to the best of our abilities and deal with the fallout as best we can.

Scaring the public daily with stats they have no control over serves no purpose. If you protect the weak you've done all you can.

Keeping us informed serves no purpose? Boy is that such a Trumpian statement.

Why is it that every other country is managing to get COVID under control, but Americans have to just deal with it? We have not "done all we can". Not by a long shot.

What method exactly did those other countries use to get COVID "under control"?

Testing, contact tracing, quarantine, widespread mask use.

What they didn't do was have their nation's leader pretending the virus doesn't exist as the numbers of dead climb higher and higher.

Show me exactly where Trump said the Virus didn't exist.

I didn't say he said it. I said he's behaving as though it doesn't exist. You know what else other countries didn't do while COVID tore through their nations? They didn't hold packed political rallies with no masks or social distancing.

They did hold BLM type protests, and yes some of them were wearing masks, but only when the cameras were on them.

Way to try to change the subject. Were you at the BLM protests? My daughter was and I can assure you, the masks stayed on the entire time...not just when "cameras were on them". But we know that is just you trying to deflect from Trump's stupid, irresponsible magic thinking and behavior when it comes to the worst pandemic to hit the world in decades.

Bullshit, you lying twat.

Wow, what a stunning comeback. Stunningly pathetic.

 

[martybegan]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

The numbers are bad, but the Trumpsters want to ignore what's happening with many who survive. Damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and other other organs. Neurological damage, including to children and young adults. Unfortunately, talk radio purposely avoids that part, so they're probably not aware of it.

What is your solution?

Everyone go bankrupt from staying home?
Stunt our children's mental, social and educational growth by holding them back?

We MUST move forward the best we can while remaining diligent to areas with spikes and protecting the most vulnerable.

We CAN NOT stay locked in our homes.

Agreed.

At the same time, we have to be intelligent and honest about the risks as we manage them, and not allow partisan politics to pollute the conversation. Avoiding important facts like the damage done to the bodies and lives of many survivors is neither intelligent nor honest.

How do you suggest we micro manage all the details we have NO CONTROL OVER?

Keep the at risk protected to the best of our abilities and deal with the fallout as best we can.

Scaring the public daily with stats they have no control over serves no purpose. If you protect the weak you've done all you can.

Keeping us informed serves no purpose? Boy is that such a Trumpian statement.

Why is it that every other country is managing to get COVID under control, but Americans have to just deal with it? We have not "done all we can". Not by a long shot.

What method exactly did those other countries use to get COVID "under control"?

Testing, contact tracing, quarantine, widespread mask use.

What they didn't do was have their nation's leader pretending the virus doesn't exist as the numbers of dead climb higher and higher.

Show me exactly where Trump said the Virus didn't exist.

I didn't say he said it. I said he's behaving as though it doesn't exist. You know what else other countries didn't do while COVID tore through their nations? They didn't hold packed political rallies with no masks or social distancing.

They did hold BLM type protests, and yes some of them were wearing masks, but only when the cameras were on them.

Way to try to change the subject. Were you at the BLM protests? My daughter was and I can assure you, the masks stayed on the entire time...not just when "cameras were on them". But we know that is just you trying to deflect from Trump's stupid, irresponsible magic thinking and behavior when it comes to the worst pandemic to hit the world in decades.

Bullshit, you lying twat.

Wow, what a stunning comeback. Stunningly pathetic.

All your bullshit deserves. Come back with more than lies and copypasta rhetoric and try again.

 

[Seawytch]

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

Those are the actual numbers from the CDC.

By deaths alone, we know that COVID is considerably more contagious and more lethal than the flu. It has killed more than double amount of people in less time than the flu.

 

[Seawytch]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

The numbers are bad, but the Trumpsters want to ignore what's happening with many who survive. Damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and other other organs. Neurological damage, including to children and young adults. Unfortunately, talk radio purposely avoids that part, so they're probably not aware of it.

What is your solution?

Everyone go bankrupt from staying home?
Stunt our children's mental, social and educational growth by holding them back?

We MUST move forward the best we can while remaining diligent to areas with spikes and protecting the most vulnerable.

We CAN NOT stay locked in our homes.

Agreed.

At the same time, we have to be intelligent and honest about the risks as we manage them, and not allow partisan politics to pollute the conversation. Avoiding important facts like the damage done to the bodies and lives of many survivors is neither intelligent nor honest.

How do you suggest we micro manage all the details we have NO CONTROL OVER?

Keep the at risk protected to the best of our abilities and deal with the fallout as best we can.

Scaring the public daily with stats they have no control over serves no purpose. If you protect the weak you've done all you can.

Keeping us informed serves no purpose? Boy is that such a Trumpian statement.

Why is it that every other country is managing to get COVID under control, but Americans have to just deal with it? We have not "done all we can". Not by a long shot.

What method exactly did those other countries use to get COVID "under control"?

Testing, contact tracing, quarantine, widespread mask use.

What they didn't do was have their nation's leader pretending the virus doesn't exist as the numbers of dead climb higher and higher.

Show me exactly where Trump said the Virus didn't exist.

I didn't say he said it. I said he's behaving as though it doesn't exist. You know what else other countries didn't do while COVID tore through their nations? They didn't hold packed political rallies with no masks or social distancing.

They did hold BLM type protests, and yes some of them were wearing masks, but only when the cameras were on them.

Way to try to change the subject. Were you at the BLM protests? My daughter was and I can assure you, the masks stayed on the entire time...not just when "cameras were on them". But we know that is just you trying to deflect from Trump's stupid, irresponsible magic thinking and behavior when it comes to the worst pandemic to hit the world in decades.

Bullshit, you lying twat.

Wow, what a stunning comeback. Stunningly pathetic.

All your bullshit deserves. Come back with more than lies and copypasta rhetoric and try again.

No, pathetic was all you could come up with. Typical Trumpster.

 

[martybegan]

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

Those are the actual numbers from the CDC.

By deaths alone, we know that COVID is considerably more contagious and more lethal than the flu. It has killed more than double amount of people in less time than the flu.

Death numbers, positive test numbers, and hospitalization numbers. You don't have an actual infection rate.

Infection rates overall are determined by studies of random people in the population to determine if they have antibodies, i.e. they were infected. From this epidemiologists can take test positive results and extrapolate an actual infection rate for the overall population.

All Flu numbers are based on this, because they have decades of values to determine the ratios used to create an overall infected value.

COVID doesn't have this, and thus you can't compare the two accurately.

 

[Seawytch]

You’re so full of shit, organ damage? You should be happy to be so dumb, it’s natural for you, stupid dumb fuck!!
The mortality rate is less than 1% and if it wasn’t for Cuomo we would be even lower. The problem we have is too many dumb ass morons like you Mac!

Yes, organ damage. Neurological damage. So you don't understand the difference between a mortality rate and what happens with people who survive.

You have been conned. I think you know it, which is why you guys melt down over any contrary facts. You can't just consume what your alternate universe gives you.

‘Mild’ cases of coronavirus may have serious long-term and recurring effects

Young people are experiencing serious symptoms.

thehill.com

"But people who seem to have “mild” cases may not have an easy time getting through the disease and in some cases may eventually require special treatment. Health experts are still learning about the illness and what the virus does in the human body. There have been reports of blood clotting and strokes in people in their 30s and 40s. Young children are developing rashes and other symptoms in a syndrome that is being linked to the coronavirus."

No where in this article does it state organ damage, you’re the idiot being conned, you understand man has been battling Cancer forever and still no cure, we just encountered COVID-19 and you use this lame ass article to justify organ damage? Not only have you been conned, I have the best real estate deal in the world for you, PM me and I’ll let you get in on it....

The information is all over the place. It's all over the news. Why deny something so obvious?

Only believing what you're told to believe really isn't a smart way to go through life.

The Hill is reporting what the specialists are saying:


It's not just lungs: Covid-19 may damage the heart, brain, and ...
www.advisory.com › daily-briefing › 2020/04/17 › org...

Apr 17, 2020 - "There is some concern that some of it may be due to direct influence of ... While doctors' reports of different types of organ damage in Covid-19 ...

Coronavirus: Kidney Damage Caused by COVID-19 | Johns ...
www.hopkinsmedicine.org › conditions-and-diseases

May 14, 2020 - Coronavirus Kidney Damage: A Serious Sign. Organ systems like the heart, lungs, liver and kidneys rely on and support one another's' ...
COVID-19 and Multiorgan Response - NCBI - NIH
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC7187881

Jump to Other Organ Involvement - ... other coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV and can lead to ... pathophysiology of acute respiratory failure in COVID-19 ...
by S Zaim - ‎Cited by 30 - ‎Related articles
‎Background · ‎Respiratory Involvement of ... · ‎Cardiovascular Involvement ...

The problem is that, unless they get it from their approved media, the Trumpsters won't believe it.

They could see a thousand news articles on it, with full corroboration, and they won't believe it.

Incredible. Fake News.

Even their "approved media" is staying the fuck home to broadcast....

 

[martybegan]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

The numbers are bad, but the Trumpsters want to ignore what's happening with many who survive. Damage to the heart, lungs, kidneys and other other organs. Neurological damage, including to children and young adults. Unfortunately, talk radio purposely avoids that part, so they're probably not aware of it.

What is your solution?

Everyone go bankrupt from staying home?
Stunt our children's mental, social and educational growth by holding them back?

We MUST move forward the best we can while remaining diligent to areas with spikes and protecting the most vulnerable.

We CAN NOT stay locked in our homes.

Agreed.

At the same time, we have to be intelligent and honest about the risks as we manage them, and not allow partisan politics to pollute the conversation. Avoiding important facts like the damage done to the bodies and lives of many survivors is neither intelligent nor honest.

How do you suggest we micro manage all the details we have NO CONTROL OVER?

Keep the at risk protected to the best of our abilities and deal with the fallout as best we can.

Scaring the public daily with stats they have no control over serves no purpose. If you protect the weak you've done all you can.

Keeping us informed serves no purpose? Boy is that such a Trumpian statement.

Why is it that every other country is managing to get COVID under control, but Americans have to just deal with it? We have not "done all we can". Not by a long shot.

What method exactly did those other countries use to get COVID "under control"?

Testing, contact tracing, quarantine, widespread mask use.

What they didn't do was have their nation's leader pretending the virus doesn't exist as the numbers of dead climb higher and higher.

Show me exactly where Trump said the Virus didn't exist.

I didn't say he said it. I said he's behaving as though it doesn't exist. You know what else other countries didn't do while COVID tore through their nations? They didn't hold packed political rallies with no masks or social distancing.

They did hold BLM type protests, and yes some of them were wearing masks, but only when the cameras were on them.

Way to try to change the subject. Were you at the BLM protests? My daughter was and I can assure you, the masks stayed on the entire time...not just when "cameras were on them". But we know that is just you trying to deflect from Trump's stupid, irresponsible magic thinking and behavior when it comes to the worst pandemic to hit the world in decades.

Bullshit, you lying twat.

Wow, what a stunning comeback. Stunningly pathetic.

All your bullshit deserves. Come back with more than lies and copypasta rhetoric and try again.

No, pathetic was all you could come up with. Typical Trumpster.

I responded in the previous post with actual information, lets see how you dismiss it, you tired old dried up bitch.

 

[Seawytch]

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

Those are the actual numbers from the CDC.

By deaths alone, we know that COVID is considerably more contagious and more lethal than the flu. It has killed more than double amount of people in less time than the flu.

Death numbers, positive test numbers, and hospitalization numbers. You don't have an actual infection rate.

Infection rates overall are determined by studies of random people in the population to determine if they have antibodies, i.e. they were infected. From this epidemiologists can take test positive results and extrapolate an actual infection rate for the overall population.

All Flu numbers are based on this, because they have decades of values to determine the ratios used to create an overall infected value.

COVID doesn't have this, and thus you can't compare the two accurately.

Again, over TWICE the number of dead in less time. COVID is worse than the flu by a huge margin. The simple fact that there are immunizations for the flu and not for COVID makes it simple enough to understand. Stop trying to minimize a disease that has killed 130,000 Americans in 5 months.

 

[martybegan]

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

Those are the actual numbers from the CDC.

By deaths alone, we know that COVID is considerably more contagious and more lethal than the flu. It has killed more than double amount of people in less time than the flu.

Death numbers, positive test numbers, and hospitalization numbers. You don't have an actual infection rate.

Infection rates overall are determined by studies of random people in the population to determine if they have antibodies, i.e. they were infected. From this epidemiologists can take test positive results and extrapolate an actual infection rate for the overall population.

All Flu numbers are based on this, because they have decades of values to determine the ratios used to create an overall infected value.

COVID doesn't have this, and thus you can't compare the two accurately.

Again, over TWICE the number of dead in less time. COVID is worse than the flu by a huge margin. The simple fact that there are immunizations for the flu and not for COVID makes it simple enough to understand. Stop trying to minimize a disease that has killed 130,000 Americans in 5 months.

But we don't know how many people have been infected. if 10 times the people can catch COVID as opposed to the flu, the death rate decreases relative to the number infected AND the overall population.

Stop trying to use a disease that has killed (at least partially) 130k Americans to win an election.

 

[BULLDOG]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
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Almost all the casualties of COVID had pre-existing conditions. What is the actual number of 100% healthy people who died from COVID? Liberals want to keep the malaise of COVID going until after election.

Corpus Christi morgues are full and asking for freezer trailers to store the bodies in until they can be buried. The Houston Medical Center, one of the largest medical centers in the world, is almost out of beds.

Social Darwinism at work...have to weed out the weak.

Arguing with you is a waste of time. The virus is a substantial tragedy, and nothing you might think will change that. Your acceptance or non acceptance of that fact changes nothing.

 

[BULLDOG]

How many do you think have died from Covid19, and why do you choose that number?

This is typical scam language, you're not fooling anyone...when you run a scam you don't run the real numbers with it, you just pretend everyone would know them and when they don't you pretend you proved something

So you have no idea, but you know the official numbers are wrong. Typical conspiracy theory nut

 

[BULLDOG]

There are a lot of articles and videos describing the danger, or lack of danger from the Covid 19 virus. I'll admit it can get a little confusing when you consider that such a low percentage of people will have symptoms even if they get it, and an even lower percentage will die from it. Many think it's not even worth worrying about. They think it's nothing more than a political hoax to try to take down Trump. Like I said, those percentages do sound really small.
I find it helpful to chart against something I can relate to easier than such small percentages
We all know that World War 1 was a terrible war that cost lots of American lives. The official number of American deaths was 116,708 for that approximately four and a half year war (July28, 1914 -Nov 11, 1918)
World War 2 was even worse. In the six years between September 1, 1939 till September2, 1945 we lost 405,399 brave American soldiers.
Of course the Civil War was the most bloody and costly in terms of lives lost that the US ever waged. In the four years between April 12, 1861 and April 9, 1865 we lost 618,222 from both sides.
Nobody in their right mind would say those losses were minor, or not worth worrying about.
Lets chart those deaths against the 135,000 lives lost to Covid 19 so far. It's only been about 5 months since our first Covid 19 death, but lets call it 6 months to make the math easier. To make it easier, we'll just take a six month average for all of them.

Seems the six month death toll for Covid 19 is higher than WW1, WW2, and the Civil War. Only an idiot would claim that isn't enough death to worry about..
View attachment 361579

Almost all the casualties of COVID had pre-existing conditions. What is the actual number of 100% healthy people who died from COVID? Liberals want to keep the malaise of COVID going until after election.

Corpus Christi morgues are full and asking for freezer trailers to store the bodies in until they can be buried. The Houston Medical Center, one of the largest medical centers in the world, is almost out of beds.

I am familiar with the Houston Medical Center, they have 21 hospitals.

Big place.

 

[depotoo]

Hmmm, sounds like some manipulation...actually 30% lower

Data suggest Florida's record-breaking coronavirus days may have been inflated by as much as 30%

The state appears to be posting backlogged cases as if they occurred on the days in question.

justthenews.com

 

[Frankeneinstein]

So you have no idea, but you know the official numbers are wrong. Typical conspiracy theory nut

the hoax is unravelling on ya dog...the only ones fooled by these numbers are those who want and need to be fooled by them

 

[BULLDOG]

Not a problem. The virus doesn't care if you believe it or not. It will do what it will do, and the sane people will respond accordingle. Enjoy your conspiracy theory.

 

[zaangalewa]

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Corpus Christi morgues are full and asking for freezer trailers to store the bodies in until they can be buried. The Houston Medical Center, one of the largest medical centers in the world, is almost out of beds.

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

It is no influenza season now. It is summer. Your problem is covid-19 now. United States: 134 097 deaths., 1. January - 11. July 2020.

How many have died from other causes during that period? how many of the COVID deaths were people dying of something else?

Just plopping down numbers without context is useless.

By closing your eyes the virus will not see you. The strange thing: You are right - the virus never will see you: It has no eyes. And it has no legs. That's why it makes sense not to carry the virus to new breeding stations. And because no one knows for some time whether one is a breeding station on its own: Use masks. Wash hands (more often). Keep distance. Give this damned stupid virus not any chance to infect anyone!

 

[BULLDOG]

...

Corpus Christi morgues are full and asking for freezer trailers to store the bodies in until they can be buried. The Houston Medical Center, one of the largest medical centers in the world, is almost out of beds.

And just spouting raw numbers without actual current context is dishonest as well. The other thing is if COVID is primarily a threat to people already very ill, what percentage of their mortality do we attribute to COVID, and what percentage do we attribute to the underlying condition. A person with terminal emphysema dies 3 months earlier than they would have due to COVID, is that a pure COVID death? A pure Emphysema death, or a combination of the two?

People from a risk group have a higher risk to die - what doesn't mean people, who are not a member of a risk group, do not die on covid-19. Sometimes die also young people, who were always sane in their life. And often people suffer a post-covid-syndrome or much more worse problems after a light or more heavy infection.

But how different is this from any other viral infection, like the flu, that we deal with every year?

The flu is no joke, and some yearly strains have a mortality profile similar to COVID

Just stop already with the COVID/Flu comparisons.

How COVID-19 is different and worse than the flu

why? Because it kills your narrative you dried up old twat?

Testy, testy. Stop with the comparison because it is comparing oranges to poison apples.

As time goes on the comparison becomes more and more valid with regards to mortality rates.

You ignore that because it doesn't suit you politically.

As time goes on, your attempts, like Trump's, to minimize this disease get more ridiculous.

The death rate for COVID is many times that of the flu. Just stop making a fool of yourself.

From October 2019 to April 2020, the CDC estimates that 24-64 thousand people died of the flu. Seven months and, at the most, 64,000 people. How many have died from COVID since March, just five months?

You have no hard numbers to back that up, we don't have the overall infection rate due to the newness of the disease.

THIS flu, each flu season is different from the other.

It is no influenza season now. It is summer. Your problem is covid-19 now. United States: 134 097 deaths., 1. January - 11. July 2020.

How many have died from other causes during that period? how many of the COVID deaths were people dying of something else?

Just plopping down numbers without context is useless.

By closing your eyes the virus will not see you. The strange thing: You are right - the virus never will see you: It has no eyes. And it has no legs. That's why it makes sense not to carry the virus to new breeding stations. And because no one knows for some time whether one is a breeding station on its own: Use masks. Wash hands (more often). Keep distance. Give this damned stupid virus not any chance to infect anyone!

No one knows unless they get tested.