Just Go Away Teacher Unions!...

[LibocalypseNow]

These Teachers in Wisconsin should just get back to work. That's what the Taxpayers want. The Taxpayers are the Boss. Hopefully one day them and the corrupt Politicians will come to accept this.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Greedy Teacher Unions are no different than corrupt Politicians in the end. They always seem to forget that they work for the Taxpayers. The Taxpayers don't work for them. Unions should have never been allowed in Government. The People don't want them. Time to boot them and the corrupt Politicians.

Teachers ARE their unions....so you are basically saying that teachers are greedy and should be booted. This is the dream Republicans have?

Noooooooo, just the ones who are violating the RIGHTS of their students to an education, and are committing fraud by submitting fraudulent doctors notes.

We republicans want honest, capable teachers who don't infringe on their students RIGHTS, and commit crimes like fraud.

Seriously, would you want dishonest frauds teaching your children?

If so, you're a dumbass, and should never raise children. Fore, you would be part of the problem.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Poll after Poll shows that the Taxpayers do not want Unions in Government. Most can somewhat accept Unions in the Private Sector but not in Government. They really blew it when they allowed Unionization to happen. The Taxpayers don't want them. Time to give them the boot once and for all.

 

[bodecea]

Greedy Teacher Unions are no different than corrupt Politicians in the end. They always seem to forget that they work for the Taxpayers. The Taxpayers don't work for them. Unions should have never been allowed in Government. The People don't want them. Time to boot them and the corrupt Politicians.

Teachers ARE their unions....so you are basically saying that teachers are greedy and should be booted. This is the dream Republicans have?

Noooooooo, just the ones who are violating the RIGHTS of their students to an education, and are committing fraud by submitting fraudulent doctors notes.

We republicans want honest, capable teachers who don't infringe on their students rights, and commit crimes like fraud.

Seriously, would you want didhonest frauds teaching your children?

If so, you're a dumbass, and should never raise children. Fore, you would be part of the problem.

No you don't. You want whipping boys who quietly lick the boots of their Republican masters and don't make a peep when their ability to collectively get a fair shake is taken from them.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Teachers ARE their unions....so you are basically saying that teachers are greedy and should be booted. This is the dream Republicans have?

Noooooooo, just the ones who are violating the RIGHTS of their students to an education, and are committing fraud by submitting fraudulent doctors notes.

We republicans want honest, capable teachers who don't infringe on their students rights, and commit crimes like fraud.

Seriously, would you want didhonest frauds teaching your children?

If so, you're a dumbass, and should never raise children. Fore, you would be part of the problem.

No you don't. You want whipping boys who quietly lick the boots of their Republican masters and don't make a peep when their ability to collectively get a fair shake is taken from them.

Once again, epic fail on your part.......No surprise there!......Message board posts emulating your life.

But, since you fail to address the rest of my post, i'll take is as a concession that once again you're backed between a rock and a hard place by me, yet again!

 

[Foxfyre]

True enough about there being no district money for teachers to get their Masters, but then there's no gaurantee the individual would work for the district after they complete their degree...PLUS there is no shortage of Masters of Educational Administration candidates standing in line for Assistant Principal positions REGARDLESS.

What is a "Master Teacher?"...More importantly:do we really need them enough to pay significantly more $$....If they existed, wouldn't they be pretty easy to identify? I mean, you could drop a "Master Teacher" into any classroom full of underachievers, and they'd go from a 30% passing rate to a 90% passing rate?...My guess is that few states have these because TEACHERS Unions discourage them.

Not only that, but very few industries pay for their employees' education. Nobody paid me for mine though certain levels of education were a requirement for numerous positions I have had. Why should teachers' be any different?

Also there is very little room at the top in just about everything. There are only so many coaching positions in the NFL and all players will not aspire to or be qualified for those positions. There are only so many supervisory jobs, so many vice president positions, so many CEO jobs out there. We always hope the cream will rise to the top to be the CEOs and supervisors and principals and superintendents, and not all will qualify and not all who do qualify will want those kinds of jobs.

A republic that protects the unalienable rights of the people and respects human rights gives all who have the drive and ambition and ability to achieve whatever their hearts desire. But while it allows for the most free people on Earth, it does not provide all we want. And what we want in the way of wages, benefits, hours, and working conditions doesn't fall within the scope of unalienable rights. Sometimes its necessary to choose what sacrifices we are willing to make and what effort we are willing to put out to get what we want.

Coaches in the NFL get to pick the best of the best for their teams. Can you imagine if they were required to take ANYONE (including those who don't even want to play football) on their team? And at the end of the season, they are determined a success or a failure based on the end performance of each player on the team including those who rarely showed up for practice, refused to drill, and sat down on the field in a do-nothing pout when the ball was in play?

Well coming at it from a purely practical standpoint I don't think the schools should have to take anybody. I think schools should take the students who are capable of doing the work, who maintain a reasonable degree of civility, and who are not disruptive to other students or the school staff. If the community votes the funding, those incapable of doing a minimum level of work should be handled by special education. If there is insufficient demand for that, the parents would need to put together some kind of private system or home school.

It would be up to the parents to teach their kids the virtues of respect for other students and respect for authority. Those kids incapable of learning that should be expelled and the parents make other arrangements to educate them. The parents will make every effort to educate them until they are at least 16. No kid will be eligible for an unrestricted drivers' license, however, until he has achieved a highschool diploma or a G.E.D. or reached Age 21, whichever comes first. I think that would take care of a whole lot of motivation problems. Also if there is sufficient interest, a vocational school could be established for older kids who can't or won't cut it in the regular classroom.

Parents will also be responsible to see that their kids have a decent breakfast and lunch money and adequate school supplies (tablets, paper, pencils, crayons, etc. etc. as most of us were required to have.) Those that do not will receive a visit from social services. Except for the most unusual circumstances, parents who cannot or will not provide the barest basic necessities for their children should not be allowed to keep those children.

And meanwhile the parents will demand that the teachers teach real subjects and that their kids have opportunity to learn reading, writing, math, science, history, and social studies sufficiently to be educated and without ideological indoctrination. And if that involves busting some unions to get teachers who want to do that and who are good at it, so be it.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I just want Unions out of Government completely. The Taxpayers should have more say in this. Put it to a Vote and i think most would vote to boot Unions from Government. Unions really do have that sense of entitlement. I think most Taxpayers are sick of them.

 

[bodecea]

Not only that, but very few industries pay for their employees' education. Nobody paid me for mine though certain levels of education were a requirement for numerous positions I have had. Why should teachers' be any different?

Also there is very little room at the top in just about everything. There are only so many coaching positions in the NFL and all players will not aspire to or be qualified for those positions. There are only so many supervisory jobs, so many vice president positions, so many CEO jobs out there. We always hope the cream will rise to the top to be the CEOs and supervisors and principals and superintendents, and not all will qualify and not all who do qualify will want those kinds of jobs.

A republic that protects the unalienable rights of the people and respects human rights gives all who have the drive and ambition and ability to achieve whatever their hearts desire. But while it allows for the most free people on Earth, it does not provide all we want. And what we want in the way of wages, benefits, hours, and working conditions doesn't fall within the scope of unalienable rights. Sometimes its necessary to choose what sacrifices we are willing to make and what effort we are willing to put out to get what we want.

Coaches in the NFL get to pick the best of the best for their teams. Can you imagine if they were required to take ANYONE (including those who don't even want to play football) on their team? And at the end of the season, they are determined a success or a failure based on the end performance of each player on the team including those who rarely showed up for practice, refused to drill, and sat down on the field in a do-nothing pout when the ball was in play?

Well coming at it from a purely practical standpoint I don't think the schools should have to take anybody. I think schools should take the students who are capable of doing the work, who maintain a reasonable degree of civility, and who are not disruptive to other students or the school staff. If the community votes the funding, those incapable of doing a minimum level of work should be handled by special education. If there is insufficient demand for that, the parents would need to put together some kind of private system or home school.

It would be up to the parents to teach their kids the virtues of respect for other students and respect for authority. Those kids incapable of learning that should be expelled and the parents make other arrangements to educate them. The parents will make every effort to educate them until they are at least 16. No kid will be eligible for an unrestricted drivers' license, however, until he has achieved a highschool diploma or a G.E.D. or reached Age 21, whichever comes first. I think that would take care of a whole lot of motivation problems. Also if there is sufficient interest, a vocational school could be established for older kids who can't or won't cut it in the regular classroom.

Parents will also be responsible to see that their kids have a decent breakfast and lunch money and adequate school supplies (tablets, paper, pencils, crayons, etc. etc. as most of us were required to have.) Those that do not will receive a visit from social services. Except for the most unusual circumstances, parents who cannot or will not provide the barest basic necessities for their children should not be allowed to keep those children.

And meanwhile the parents will demand that the teachers teach real subjects and that their kids have opportunity to learn reading, writing, math, science, history, and social studies sufficiently to be educated and without ideological indoctrination. And if that involves busting some unions to get teachers who want to do that and who are good at it, so be it.

Personally, I have no problem with any of that. But it would never happen.

 

[Foxfyre]

Coaches in the NFL get to pick the best of the best for their teams. Can you imagine if they were required to take ANYONE (including those who don't even want to play football) on their team? And at the end of the season, they are determined a success or a failure based on the end performance of each player on the team including those who rarely showed up for practice, refused to drill, and sat down on the field in a do-nothing pout when the ball was in play?

Well coming at it from a purely practical standpoint I don't think the schools should have to take anybody. I think schools should take the students who are capable of doing the work, who maintain a reasonable degree of civility, and who are not disruptive to other students or the school staff. If the community votes the funding, those incapable of doing a minimum level of work should be handled by special education. If there is insufficient demand for that, the parents would need to put together some kind of private system or home school.

It would be up to the parents to teach their kids the virtues of respect for other students and respect for authority. Those kids incapable of learning that should be expelled and the parents make other arrangements to educate them. The parents will make every effort to educate them until they are at least 16. No kid will be eligible for an unrestricted drivers' license, however, until he has achieved a highschool diploma or a G.E.D. or reached Age 21, whichever comes first. I think that would take care of a whole lot of motivation problems. Also if there is sufficient interest, a vocational school could be established for older kids who can't or won't cut it in the regular classroom.

Parents will also be responsible to see that their kids have a decent breakfast and lunch money and adequate school supplies (tablets, paper, pencils, crayons, etc. etc. as most of us were required to have.) Those that do not will receive a visit from social services. Except for the most unusual circumstances, parents who cannot or will not provide the barest basic necessities for their children should not be allowed to keep those children.

And meanwhile the parents will demand that the teachers teach real subjects and that their kids have opportunity to learn reading, writing, math, science, history, and social studies sufficiently to be educated and without ideological indoctrination. And if that involves busting some unions to get teachers who want to do that and who are good at it, so be it.

Personally, I have no problem with any of that. But it would never happen.

It can and will happen if enough people are willing to look at government differently and have the will and fortitude to make it happen. It will mean giving up some notions that have been adopted as sacred cows and having the will to get rid of major road blocks that prevent it from happening. That means getting rid of some unions who protect the bad teachers along with the good. That means getting rid of the notion that parents should not be held accountable and responsible for the kids they bring into the world. It means being willing to see, think, and act differently than the broken system we have become comfortable with.

All it takes is enough people who say "Yes. Let's do that."

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I just hate the whole Entitlement attitude thing. Teacher Unions have only promoted that attitude. Most of these States are broke. Teacher Unions are going to have to be more flexible and listen to the Taxpayers. After all,they do work for those Taxpayers. These Teachers in Wisconsin should get back to work. It's what the People want. End of story.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Well coming at it from a purely practical standpoint I don't think the schools should have to take anybody. I think schools should take the students who are capable of doing the work, who maintain a reasonable degree of civility, and who are not disruptive to other students or the school staff. If the community votes the funding, those incapable of doing a minimum level of work should be handled by special education. If there is insufficient demand for that, the parents would need to put together some kind of private system or home school.

It would be up to the parents to teach their kids the virtues of respect for other students and respect for authority. Those kids incapable of learning that should be expelled and the parents make other arrangements to educate them. The parents will make every effort to educate them until they are at least 16. No kid will be eligible for an unrestricted drivers' license, however, until he has achieved a highschool diploma or a G.E.D. or reached Age 21, whichever comes first. I think that would take care of a whole lot of motivation problems. Also if there is sufficient interest, a vocational school could be established for older kids who can't or won't cut it in the regular classroom.

Parents will also be responsible to see that their kids have a decent breakfast and lunch money and adequate school supplies (tablets, paper, pencils, crayons, etc. etc. as most of us were required to have.) Those that do not will receive a visit from social services. Except for the most unusual circumstances, parents who cannot or will not provide the barest basic necessities for their children should not be allowed to keep those children.

And meanwhile the parents will demand that the teachers teach real subjects and that their kids have opportunity to learn reading, writing, math, science, history, and social studies sufficiently to be educated and without ideological indoctrination. And if that involves busting some unions to get teachers who want to do that and who are good at it, so be it.

Personally, I have no problem with any of that. But it would never happen.

It can and will happen if enough people are willing to look at government differently and have the will and fortitude to make it happen. It will mean giving up some notions that have been adopted as sacred cows and having the will to get rid of major road blocks that prevent it from happening. That means getting rid of some unions who protect the bad teachers along with the good. That means getting rid of the notion that parents should not be held accountable and responsible for the kids they bring into the world. It means being willing to see, think, and act differently than the broken system we have become comfortable with.

All it takes is enough people who say "Yes. Let's do that."

It can definitley happen if people start understanding that government isn't the solution to everything. That's going to be a tough sell to the left.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I just hate the whole Entitlement attitude thing. Teacher Unions have only promoted that attitude. Most of these States are broke. Teacher Unions are going to have to be more flexible and listen to the Taxpayers. After all,they do work for those Taxpayers. These Teachers in Wisconsin should get back to work. It's what the People want. End of story.

Absolutely. They need to stop stepping all over the childrens RIGHTS to an education, and get their asses back in the classrooms.

They want to protest, fine. They can do it on their own time.

 

[HUGGY]

Some of you bitch ass punk motherfuckers almost make me embarrassed to be an American.

How many of you whiners that demand jail time for a handful of people holding out for peanuts and the rights they have already negotiated for and won demanded that the people that REALLY caused our financial crisis be prosecuted and put in prison?

How many of you??? That's what I thought. NONE of YOU. You suck as human beings and definitely suck as Americans.

 

[Foxfyre]

Personally, I have no problem with any of that. But it would never happen.

It can and will happen if enough people are willing to look at government differently and have the will and fortitude to make it happen. It will mean giving up some notions that have been adopted as sacred cows and having the will to get rid of major road blocks that prevent it from happening. That means getting rid of some unions who protect the bad teachers along with the good. That means getting rid of the notion that parents should not be held accountable and responsible for the kids they bring into the world. It means being willing to see, think, and act differently than the broken system we have become comfortable with.

All it takes is enough people who say "Yes. Let's do that."

It can definitley happen if people start understanding that government isn't the solution to everything. That's going to be a tough sell to the left.

It's a tough sell to just about everybody, W.J. If the solution was just right wing or left wing ideology, then we would be seeing fixes when one or the other side was in power. It's the big fear that if we do that (I/me/us/we) will take it on the chin--the fear of trading the devil we know for something a lot of us have never seen.

But we don't see fixes. When the left is in power and gives away lots of lots of programs and goodies to "help" people, in a normal economy things usually do get better for awhile. But it is almost always at the price of huge bills on down the road with mounting unpayable debts that continue to accrue with interest. Nothing gets fixed when you just shuffle people around in the same flawed system.

When the right is in power and the economy is turned loose more on its own initiative, the economy usually does take off. But whatever initiatives triggered the growth will level off and though eveybody levels off at a higher level than before, even those who call themselves conservative have used bandaids and patches but without any real medicine to heal the wounds. So nothing gets fixed when you use the same flawed organizations to work within a patched system.

We haven't tried anything really new and different--we haven't had a radically different way of thinking about freedom, unalienable rights, and limited government for a very long time now. Both Democrats and Republicans have perpetuated a flawed system that is running out of gas.

It's time to rethink it all and do it differently.

And we can start by not demanding that Wisconsin or any other state retain a flawed system that isn't sustainable and isn't getting the job done.

 

[HUGGY]

It can and will happen if enough people are willing to look at government differently and have the will and fortitude to make it happen. It will mean giving up some notions that have been adopted as sacred cows and having the will to get rid of major road blocks that prevent it from happening. That means getting rid of some unions who protect the bad teachers along with the good. That means getting rid of the notion that parents should not be held accountable and responsible for the kids they bring into the world. It means being willing to see, think, and act differently than the broken system we have become comfortable with.

All it takes is enough people who say "Yes. Let's do that."

It can definitley happen if people start understanding that government isn't the solution to everything. That's going to be a tough sell to the left.

It's a tough sell to just about everybody, W.J. If the solution was just right wing or left wing ideology, then we would be seeing fixes when one or the other side was in power. It's the big fear that if we do that (I/me/us/we) will take it on the chin--the fear of trading the devil we know for something a lot of us have never seen.

But we don't see fixes. When the left is in power and gives away lots of lots of programs and goodies to "help" people, in a normal economy things usually do get better for awhile. But it is almost always as the price of unpayable bills on down the road that will have to be paid with interest. Nothing gets fixed when you just shuffle people around in the same flawed system.

When the right is in power and the economy is turned loose more on its own initiative, the economy usually does take off. But whatever initiatives triggered the growth will level off and though eveybody levels off at a higher level than before, even those who call themselves conservative have used bandaids and patches but without any real medicine to heal the wounds. So nothing gets fixed when you use the same flawed organizations to work within a patched system.

We haven't tried anything really new and different--we haven't had a radically different way of thinking about freedom, unalienable rights, and limited government for a very long time now. Both Democrats and Republicans have perpetuated a flawed system that is running out of gas.

It's time to rethink it all and do it differently.

And we can start by not demanding that Wisconsin or any other state retain a flawed system that isn't sustainable and isn't getting the job done.

I disagree. The system is not "flawed". It has been gamed by some treacherous assholes and no one had the guts to step in and prevent it and no one has the guts to stand up and prosecute them.

Try and use ALL of your imagination and consider what the world economy would be like right this minute if responsible people had done their job and these so called derivatives had been stopped in their tracks or at the very least rated their true value and risk.

But no...let's just knaw on our own legs like some stupid desperate wolves caught in a trap. Let's lash out at whomever seems to have a slightly upper hand through good foresight and legal means on their part.

Fuck this shit! If you dummies want to make things right then by God make it right starting with the assets of those that put us in this mess. THEN assess a penalty on every institution that participated and make THEM pay for much of this expense.

 

[Samson]

Some of you bitch ass punk motherfuckers almost make me embarrassed to be an American.

How many of you whiners that demand jail time for a handful of people holding out for peanuts and the rights they have already negotiated for and won demanded that the people that REALLY caused our financial crisis be prosecuted and put in prison?

How many of you??? That's what I thought. NONE of YOU. You suck as human beings and definitely suck as Americans.

Is this melt-down sponsored by anyone or group in particular, or just the entire human species in general?

 

[Samson]

I just hate the whole Entitlement attitude thing. Teacher Unions have only promoted that attitude. Most of these States are broke. Teacher Unions are going to have to be more flexible and listen to the Taxpayers. After all,they do work for those Taxpayers. These Teachers in Wisconsin should get back to work. It's what the People want. End of story.

Absolutely. They need to stop stepping all over the childrens RIGHTS to an education, and get their asses back in the classrooms.

They want to protest, fine. They can do it on their own time.

I wanna know when State Prison Guards are going to Strike.

After all, don't they deserve all the collective bargaining "Rights" that teachers get?

 

[HUGGY]

Some of you bitch ass punk motherfuckers almost make me embarrassed to be an American.

How many of you whiners that demand jail time for a handful of people holding out for peanuts and the rights they have already negotiated for and won demanded that the people that REALLY caused our financial crisis be prosecuted and put in prison?

How many of you??? That's what I thought. NONE of YOU. You suck as human beings and definitely suck as Americans.

Is this melt-down sponsored by anyone or group in particular, or just the entire human species in general?

The species known as the money changers. I'm goin ALL BeJebus today!!!

 

[Wicked Jester]

Some of you bitch ass punk motherfuckers almost make me embarrassed to be an American.

How many of you whiners that demand jail time for a handful of people holding out for peanuts and the rights they have already negotiated for and won demanded that the people that REALLY caused our financial crisis be prosecuted and put in prison?

How many of you??? That's what I thought. NONE of YOU. You suck as human beings and definitely suck as Americans.

What are you babbling about?

Take a chill pill, sparky......What's the matter, your dealer not answering the cell again. Causing you to jones like a motherfucker?

Yeah, we want those teachers to get their asses back to work. Quit stepping on the childrens rights to an education. Quit stepping on the parents who are now having to stay home from work at a loss of pay to ensure their children are safe and not out running amok. Imagine the hadship it causes a one income single parent or family who is struggling to just get by to lose even one day of pay......Or do you even give a shit about that?

Those teachers want to go join the protest, they can do it on their own god damn time. Not on the childrens and taxpayers time.....And, if they submit fraudulent notes from doctors in an attempt to defraud the taxpayers, then their sorry criminal asses should definitely have to pay......They are not special. A criminal is a fucking criminal.....GET IT?

And yes, lets go after those who caused the financial mess. But that's a seperate issue. Go talk to Holders ass, or quit yer bitchin'!

 

[HUGGY]

Some of you bitch ass punk motherfuckers almost make me embarrassed to be an American.

How many of you whiners that demand jail time for a handful of people holding out for peanuts and the rights they have already negotiated for and won demanded that the people that REALLY caused our financial crisis be prosecuted and put in prison?

How many of you??? That's what I thought. NONE of YOU. You suck as human beings and definitely suck as Americans.

What are you babbling about?

Take a chill pill, sparky......What's the matter, your dealer not answering the cell again. Causing you to jones like a motherfucker?

Yeah, we want those teachers to get their asses back to work. Quit stepping on the childrens rights to an education. Quit stepping on the parents who are now having to stay home from work at a loss of pay to ensure their children are safe and not out running amok. Imagine the hadship it causes a one income single parent or family who is struggling to just get by to lose even one day of pay......Or do you even give a shit about that?

Those teachers want to go join the protest, they can do it on their own god damn time. Not on the childrens and taxpayers time.....And, if they submit fraudulent notes from doctors in an attempt to defraud the taxpayers, then their sorry criminal asses should definitely have to pay......They are not special. A criminal is a fucking criminal.....GET IT?

And yes, lets go after those who caused the financial mess. But that's a seperate issue. Go talk to Holders ass, or quit yer bitchin'!

MMMMmmmmmaybe...