Just As Much A Failure As His Eponymous Plan

[Sun Devil 92]

MY insurance worked fine for ME prior to Obamacare. Outside of that, I don't give a shit about you.

See, that is somehow bad.

That will translate into....don't give a crap about anyone. Which, of course, isn't true. This whole meme about the "collective" is so overplayed the tape has become scratched.

 

[Conservative65]

I hear Montreal is wonderful this time of year.

Again, you guys are on the wrong side of history, as usual. Conservatives always are.

Seems you're pitiful existence is still on the wrong side of humanity. You always will be. Just means the rest of us will have to realize that defective ones like you will be with us.

There is a difference.

There are people that have hard lives that I am more than willing to support.

Then there are those like Joe who are jealous.

Wow, here's the part wherethey realize they are shitty human beings supporting an awful system, but have to speculate on what my life is...

Guy, neither you or the possum catcher are fit to shine my shoes.

You are the one screaming that you are working two jobs to feed the system.

Can't help that.

You begrudge doctors a 300K salary.

You say "they don't need it".

Who are you, again ?

Joe's one of those insignificant lefties that believes it's his place to determine what someone other than himself needs. He has to say such things to make his pitiful existence seem less insignificant. If you ask him, he'll tell you that he's correct and will come up with something that he claims justifies it. The problem with Joe is he uses Joe as his source.

 

[Conservative65]

Seems you're pitiful existence is still on the wrong side of humanity. You always will be. Just means the rest of us will have to realize that defective ones like you will be with us.

There is a difference.

There are people that have hard lives that I am more than willing to support.

Then there are those like Joe who are jealous.

"Helping those who have been struck by unforeseeable misfortunes is fundamentally different from making dependency a way of life" - Thomas Sowell

"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it" - Charles R. "Chuck" Swindoll

The same situation can happen to two individuals. If one chooses to go down the path of dependency while the other chooses to overcome that misfortune, it boils down to the former finding an excuse to justify doing so and the latter finding a reason why they don't have to.

Agreed.

The ease with which you can become dependent also plays a part.

I really really really like Thomas Sowell.

When too many in government make it too easy to become dependent, there is no reason for those that want the easy way out to do so.

"Although the big word on the left is "compassion", the big agenda from the left is dependency" - T. Sowell

Anyone who does not support the grubbers....gets called names.

Joe is right on cue.

Joe will tell you he's compassionate and caring right before he says the government should force more money to fund what he supports from people Joe thinks have too much. It's the Liberal view of compassion. I care enough about people to get you to pay for what they need.

 

[Conservative65]

MY insurance worked fine for ME prior to Obamacare. Outside of that, I don't give a shit about you.

See, that is somehow bad.

That will translate into....don't give a crap about anyone. Which, of course, isn't true. This whole meme about the "collective" is so overplayed the tape has become scratched.

Liberals like Joe do the same thing when it comes to education funding. If people oppose the "free" college plan, lefties say they hate education. In other words, they go from A to Z without taking into account B - Y.

I fully support education. In fact, I do so much I'm willing to on behalf of my daughter what her scholarships didn't cover. What is not my responsibility, and what people like Joe use to go from A to Z bypassing the rest saying that means I hate education, is funding it for someone else's kid. If someone else's kid isn't a good enough investment for the parents, you can't sell me on the kid being a good enough investment for me.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

There is a difference.

There are people that have hard lives that I am more than willing to support.

Then there are those like Joe who are jealous.

"Helping those who have been struck by unforeseeable misfortunes is fundamentally different from making dependency a way of life" - Thomas Sowell

"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it" - Charles R. "Chuck" Swindoll

The same situation can happen to two individuals. If one chooses to go down the path of dependency while the other chooses to overcome that misfortune, it boils down to the former finding an excuse to justify doing so and the latter finding a reason why they don't have to.

Agreed.

The ease with which you can become dependent also plays a part.

I really really really like Thomas Sowell.

When too many in government make it too easy to become dependent, there is no reason for those that want the easy way out to do so.

"Although the big word on the left is "compassion", the big agenda from the left is dependency" - T. Sowell

Anyone who does not support the grubbers....gets called names.

Joe is right on cue.

Joe will tell you he's compassionate and caring right before he says the government should force more money to fund what he supports from people Joe thinks have too much. It's the Liberal view of compassion. I care enough about people to get you to pay for what they need.

I agree with your assesment, except that Joe is not a liberal.

He's a left-wing government lover. There is a big difference.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Again, you guys are on the wrong side of history, as usual. Conservatives always are.

Seems you're pitiful existence is still on the wrong side of humanity. You always will be. Just means the rest of us will have to realize that defective ones like you will be with us.

There is a difference.

There are people that have hard lives that I am more than willing to support.

Then there are those like Joe who are jealous.

Wow, here's the part wherethey realize they are shitty human beings supporting an awful system, but have to speculate on what my life is...

Guy, neither you or the possum catcher are fit to shine my shoes.

You are the one screaming that you are working two jobs to feed the system.

Can't help that.

You begrudge doctors a 300K salary.

You say "they don't need it".

Who are you, again ?

Joe's one of those insignificant lefties that believes it's his place to determine what someone other than himself needs. He has to say such things to make his pitiful existence seem less insignificant. If you ask him, he'll tell you that he's correct and will come up with something that he claims justifies it. The problem with Joe is he uses Joe as his source.

It's a classic example of the arrogance of the left.

The KNOW how things should work.

Single Payer is great. Except that countries with Single Payer also have private plans. Anyone who's spoke with people who live in these systems knows that money gets you the better care. But they don't have a "for profit" health care system.

Yeah, right......

 

[JoeB131]

So, no admission that private systems indicate that people don't feel Single Payer is the end all......

Which, is only going to screw the guy in the middle if we ever go to it.

Did I need to use smaller words for you?

Actually, most of us would be better off if we went to single payer, even those who opt to use a private system. Your stuff would have to be pretty darned good if you want people to not use the "Free" stuff the government is giving out.

What a miserably predictable reply.

You are not fit to shine Thomas Sowell's shoes.

Thomas Sowell is another piece of shit Stepandfetchit telling white people what they want to hear. Not like that Obama telling you racism is still a thing.

You are the one screaming that you are working two jobs to feed the system.

Can't help that.

You begrudge doctors a 300K salary.

I work two jobs because I am trying to get rid of all the debt I ended up with during a medical issue and because your boy Bush fucked up the economy six ways to sunday. Also, I really like my second job, which is a personal business I've grown from nothing to the point where I have hundreds of clients a year.

And, yes, I do begrudge doctors a 300K salary when they don't need to make that much. Not when the rest of us are paying $5000-$10,000 a year in insurance and they are milking the system.

 

[JoeB131]

Liberals like Joe do the same thing when it comes to education funding. If people oppose the "free" college plan, lefties say they hate education. In other words, they go from A to Z without taking into account B - Y.

Except I never talked about that, but never mind.

THe problem with all your B-Y options is that they generally suck and don't solve the problem.

I fully support education. In fact, I do so much I'm willing to on behalf of my daughter what her scholarships didn't cover. What is not my responsibility, and what people like Joe use to go from A to Z bypassing the rest saying that means I hate education, is funding it for someone else's kid. If someone else's kid isn't a good enough investment for the parents, you can't sell me on the kid being a good enough investment for me.

But maybe your (hypothetical) daughter is stupid, and there's a more deserving poor kid who would make a great engineer or doctor. It's not a matter of you "hating" education, it's the problem that you think education is a privilege that should only be given out those of means.

So imagine a world where we have just as many college positions as we have now, but they are given out on the basis of the academic merit and economic need, not just as another door prize for being white and privileged in this country.

Of course, the system we have now is that we have these kids putting themselves into decades of debt and there are no jobs for them when they graduate, and you wonder why they want to vote for a socialist like Bernie Sanders.

The only thing scarier than the fact so many young people voted for an outright communist like Sanders is that so many old white people voted for an outright Nazi like Trump.

But keep pretending nothing is wrong, guy.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe's one of those insignificant lefties that believes it's his place to determine what someone other than himself needs. He has to say such things to make his pitiful existence seem less insignificant. If you ask him, he'll tell you that he's correct and will come up with something that he claims justifies it. The problem with Joe is he uses Joe as his source.

Actually, what I use as a source is that I voted Republican from 1980 to 2008, and when 2008 came around, I find what I have spent working for most of my adult life was reduced to a smoldering pile of ashes. Now, whoopie, working two jobs (and for a while, three, the real low point) I was able to work my way back, and thanks to Obama, we've undone much of the damage Bush did (but not what his father and Reagan did, unfortunately).

 

[Conservative65]

Liberals like Joe do the same thing when it comes to education funding. If people oppose the "free" college plan, lefties say they hate education. In other words, they go from A to Z without taking into account B - Y.

Except I never talked about that, but never mind.

THe problem with all your B-Y options is that they generally suck and don't solve the problem.

I fully support education. In fact, I do so much I'm willing to on behalf of my daughter what her scholarships didn't cover. What is not my responsibility, and what people like Joe use to go from A to Z bypassing the rest saying that means I hate education, is funding it for someone else's kid. If someone else's kid isn't a good enough investment for the parents, you can't sell me on the kid being a good enough investment for me.

But maybe your (hypothetical) daughter is stupid, and there's a more deserving poor kid who would make a great engineer or doctor. It's not a matter of you "hating" education, it's the problem that you think education is a privilege that should only be given out those of means.

So imagine a world where we have just as many college positions as we have now, but they are given out on the basis of the academic merit and economic need, not just as another door prize for being white and privileged in this country.

Of course, the system we have now is that we have these kids putting themselves into decades of debt and there are no jobs for them when they graduate, and you wonder why they want to vote for a socialist like Bernie Sanders.

The only thing scarier than the fact so many young people voted for an outright communist like Sanders is that so many old white people voted for an outright Nazi like Trump.

But keep pretending nothing is wrong, guy.

Imagine a world where the parents of a kid paid for their college instead of expecting someone that wasn't their parent being forced to do it because those parents are freeloading pieces of shit. You can't imagine that because you think one person's money should go to another person's kid instead of the person's own kid.

If, as you say, there aren't any jobs, why do these kids put themselves in so much debt. Tells me they're not smart.

If your kid can't go to college because you can't afford it and because he/she has a father like you that's a worthless piece of shit that won't invest in him/her, tough shit.

My daughter is in college. She earned between 80 - 85% of her costs, which totals over $30,000/year, in academic scholarships. I gladly pay the rest because she's worth investing in. In that sense, there is nothing wrong. What's wrong is a piece of shit parent that won't do it for his/her kid and expects people like me to feel sorry for them.

 

[Conservative65]

So, no admission that private systems indicate that people don't feel Single Payer is the end all......

Which, is only going to screw the guy in the middle if we ever go to it.

Did I need to use smaller words for you?

Actually, most of us would be better off if we went to single payer, even those who opt to use a private system. Your stuff would have to be pretty darned good if you want people to not use the "Free" stuff the government is giving out.

What a miserably predictable reply.

You are not fit to shine Thomas Sowell's shoes.

Thomas Sowell is another piece of shit Stepandfetchit telling white people what they want to hear. Not like that Obama telling you racism is still a thing.

You are the one screaming that you are working two jobs to feed the system.

Can't help that.

You begrudge doctors a 300K salary.

I work two jobs because I am trying to get rid of all the debt I ended up with during a medical issue and because your boy Bush fucked up the economy six ways to sunday. Also, I really like my second job, which is a personal business I've grown from nothing to the point where I have hundreds of clients a year.

And, yes, I do begrudge doctors a 300K salary when they don't need to make that much. Not when the rest of us are paying $5000-$10,000 a year in insurance and they are milking the system.

Who the fuck do you think you are saying how much someone else needs to make?

I don't pay $5 - 10K/year in insurance. I pay nothing for my premiums. Can't help it your such a worthless twit you can't get a job doing any better. Maybe if you learned "would you like fried with that" without having to look at a prompt, you might move up.

 

[JoeB131]

Who the fuck do you think you are saying how much someone else needs to make?

As the guy who ultimately pays for these things, um, yeah. Hey, guy, as long as the rest of us are paying for these medical things, we kind of have a right to say what is a reasonable salary.

I don't pay $5 - 10K/year in insurance. I pay nothing for my premiums. Can't help it your such a worthless twit you can't get a job doing any better. Maybe if you learned "would you like fried with that" without having to look at a prompt, you might move up.

Guy, if you don't have insurance, that's your problem. If you think that there isn't 10K beign spent on your behalf, that you are working for, you are deluded. My guess is that on the off chance you are gainfully employed (unlike since you seem to be leading the board in posts this month) your employer has set aside that money, but you are still working for it.

 

[Conservative65]

Who the fuck do you think you are saying how much someone else needs to make?

As the guy who ultimately pays for these things, um, yeah. Hey, guy, as long as the rest of us are paying for these medical things, we kind of have a right to say what is a reasonable salary.

I don't pay $5 - 10K/year in insurance. I pay nothing for my premiums. Can't help it your such a worthless twit you can't get a job doing any better. Maybe if you learned "would you like fried with that" without having to look at a prompt, you might move up.

Guy, if you don't have insurance, that's your problem. If you think that there isn't 10K beign spent on your behalf, that you are working for, you are deluded. My guess is that on the off chance you are gainfully employed (unlike since you seem to be leading the board in posts this month) your employer has set aside that money, but you are still working for it.

Never said I don't have insurance. Said I don't pay for the premiums. It's called compensation, moron. If you have to pay for your own, tells me you should work harder and provide more to your employer.

As far as saying what someone else should make, you have no say. You, like most, use the word reasonable then think you're the one to decide what that means. Wrong. Now run along to your two jobs you have that won't provide you what I make in one.

 

[JoeB131]

Never said I don't have insurance. Said I don't pay for the premiums. It's called compensation, moron.

Okay, compensation for what? For work that you do. Which means that your boss (if you have one, which again, I doubt) figures that the profit he makes on the possums you catch is enough where he can afford to add you to a group plan that is subsidized by the government.

You see, this is where you are kind of stupid that you actually think this is a good deal. Because, legally, the contract isn't between you and the insurance company. so this is a legally plausible Conversation. (or it was before ObamaCare)

Conservative1965: "Hey, my Doctor told me I have Ass-Cancer, it will cost $110,000 to treat!"

Big Insurance: "Um, nope, we scoured your medical records and found a hemorrhoid you had in 1995 makes that a pre-existing condition!"

Conservative1965: "Hey, I have an insurance policy."

Big Insurance: Nope, your boss has an insurance policy. Our contract is with him, actually.

Boss: Yeah, and I never liked that guy anyway. Time to get a new one!

 

[Conservative65]

Never said I don't have insurance. Said I don't pay for the premiums. It's called compensation, moron.

Okay, compensation for what? For work that you do. Which means that your boss (if you have one, which again, I doubt) figures that the profit he makes on the possums you catch is enough where he can afford to add you to a group plan that is subsidized by the government.

You see, this is where you are kind of stupid that you actually think this is a good deal. Because, legally, the contract isn't between you and the insurance company. so this is a legally plausible Conversation. (or it was before ObamaCare)

Conservative1965: "Hey, my Doctor told me I have Ass-Cancer, it will cost $110,000 to treat!"

Big Insurance: "Um, nope, we scoured your medical records and found a hemorrhoid you had in 1995 makes that a pre-existing condition!"

Conservative1965: "Hey, I have an insurance policy."

Big Insurance: Nope, your boss has an insurance policy. Our contract is with him, actually.

Boss: Yeah, and I never liked that guy anyway. Time to get a new one!

As long as you use the doom and gloom, you lose.

Sounds as if that type of thing happened to you. Shame it didn't "get the job done".

 

[JoeB131]

As long as you use the doom and gloom, you lose.

Sounds as if that type of thing happened to you. Shame it didn't "get the job done".

I got the job done just fine. It was the six and seven figure guys who fucked it up for the rest of us.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, no admission that private systems indicate that people don't feel Single Payer is the end all......

Which, is only going to screw the guy in the middle if we ever go to it.

Did I need to use smaller words for you?

Actually, most of us would be better off if we went to single payer, even those who opt to use a private system. Your stuff would have to be pretty darned good if you want people to not use the "Free" stuff the government is giving out.

What a miserably predictable reply.

You are not fit to shine Thomas Sowell's shoes.

Thomas Sowell is another piece of shit Stepandfetchit telling white people what they want to hear. Not like that Obama telling you racism is still a thing.

You are the one screaming that you are working two jobs to feed the system.

Can't help that.

You begrudge doctors a 300K salary.

I work two jobs because I am trying to get rid of all the debt I ended up with during a medical issue and because your boy Bush fucked up the economy six ways to sunday. Also, I really like my second job, which is a personal business I've grown from nothing to the point where I have hundreds of clients a year.

And, yes, I do begrudge doctors a 300K salary when they don't need to make that much. Not when the rest of us are paying $5000-$10,000 a year in insurance and they are milking the system.

The bitterness and jealousy is dripping.

Blame Bush.....it was all his fault. He's not that smart.

Do you thank Bush for your second job ?

Who are you to say "they don't need to make that much ?" That is beyond arrogant.

Single payer would suck in this country.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Never said I don't have insurance. Said I don't pay for the premiums. It's called compensation, moron.

Okay, compensation for what? For work that you do. Which means that your boss (if you have one, which again, I doubt) figures that the profit he makes on the possums you catch is enough where he can afford to add you to a group plan that is subsidized by the government.

You see, this is where you are kind of stupid that you actually think this is a good deal. Because, legally, the contract isn't between you and the insurance company. so this is a legally plausible Conversation. (or it was before ObamaCare)

Conservative1965: "Hey, my Doctor told me I have Ass-Cancer, it will cost $110,000 to treat!"

Big Insurance: "Um, nope, we scoured your medical records and found a hemorrhoid you had in 1995 makes that a pre-existing condition!"

Conservative1965: "Hey, I have an insurance policy."

Big Insurance: Nope, your boss has an insurance policy. Our contract is with him, actually.

Boss: Yeah, and I never liked that guy anyway. Time to get a new one!

Never faced that.

I brought my pregnant wife onto an insurance policy fully expecting to pay for the whole thing.....

They covered it !!!! Those nasty greedy creeps.

 

[Conservative65]

As long as you use the doom and gloom, you lose.

Sounds as if that type of thing happened to you. Shame it didn't "get the job done".

I got the job done just fine. It was the six and seven figure guys who fucked it up for the rest of us.

I see you missedthe meaning of didn't "get the job done".

 

[Conservative65]

Never said I don't have insurance. Said I don't pay for the premiums. It's called compensation, moron.

Okay, compensation for what? For work that you do. Which means that your boss (if you have one, which again, I doubt) figures that the profit he makes on the possums you catch is enough where he can afford to add you to a group plan that is subsidized by the government.

You see, this is where you are kind of stupid that you actually think this is a good deal. Because, legally, the contract isn't between you and the insurance company. so this is a legally plausible Conversation. (or it was before ObamaCare)

Conservative1965: "Hey, my Doctor told me I have Ass-Cancer, it will cost $110,000 to treat!"

Big Insurance: "Um, nope, we scoured your medical records and found a hemorrhoid you had in 1995 makes that a pre-existing condition!"

Conservative1965: "Hey, I have an insurance policy."

Big Insurance: Nope, your boss has an insurance policy. Our contract is with him, actually.

Boss: Yeah, and I never liked that guy anyway. Time to get a new one!

Never faced that.

I brought my pregnant wife onto an insurance policy fully expecting to pay for the whole thing.....

They covered it !!!! Those nasty greedy creeps.

Joe uses that type of doom and gloom example regularly. Sounds to me as if he had personal experience with something like that. Sad part is, like you, my policy has been paid and when I needed something, they paid for it like the policy stated. In fact, one of the things for which they paid had a price tag almost to that $110,000.

It's how the Liberals works. The part that gets me is if Joe cares as much about people as he CLAIMS, wouldn't he pay for things like that for people when it happened?