Judge in fraud suit against Trump chides defense for repeating arguments

[Dante Reawakened]

"You cannot make false statements used in business. That’s what this statute prohibits, and that’s what’s alleged here."

Judge in fraud suit against Trump chides defense for repeating arguments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/22/new-york-trump-fraud-trial/

NEW YORK — The judge overseeing New York Attorney General Letitia James’s $250 million business fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump on Friday became visibly annoyed with defense lawyers for what he called false statements and previously used arguments.

New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron — who will preside over an upcoming bench trial that may last three months — grew frustrated with a Trump attorney’s repeated assertions that Trump and his namesake company were not liable for wrongdoing.

Trump and the other defendants are accused of giving banks and insurance companies drastically inflated estimates of Trump’s net worth during a decade’s worth of official transactions to get better loan and policy rates.

People are always talking about politicians heading crime families. Hmm...

What do criminal enterprises do?

We do know these facts: "A Manhattan jury found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives. The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp." -- Dec 7, 2022

 

[HikerGuy83]

 

[Dante Reawakened]

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I thought I had the cell numbers of Trump's lawyers handy. Wait...

 

[DGS49]

I'm sure that the attorneys in question could explain the difference between the previously-rejected arguments and the new ones.

The sad fact here is that millions and millions of private and public sector (taxpayer) dollars will be wasted on a case that is total bullshit. None of the banks who were "defrauded" have made any claim against Trump or his organization, because they have been repaid in full, including interest.

Truly a "victimless" crime. Especially when one considers that these banks have whole departments of people who are paid to assess independently the value of the property presented as collateral for the loans.

The Manhattan courts are the "Washington Generals" of the legal world.

 

[Rambunctious]

"You cannot make false statements used in business. That’s what this statute prohibits, and that’s what’s alleged here."

Judge in fraud suit against Trump chides defense for repeating arguments

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/22/new-york-trump-fraud-trial/

People are always talking about politicians heading crime families. Hmm...

What do criminal enterprises do?

We do know these facts: "A Manhattan jury found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives. The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp." -- Dec 7, 2022

Must be because Trump's lawyers are tearing apart the phony case....

 

[skye]

 

[bdtex]

Trump's lawyers should be sanctioned.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Must be because Trump's lawyers are tearing apart the phony case....

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I'm sure that the attorneys in question could explain the difference between the previously-rejected arguments and the new ones.

The sad fact here is that millions and millions of private and public sector (taxpayer) dollars will be wasted on a case that is total bullshit. None of the banks who were "defrauded" have made any claim against Trump or his organization, because they have been repaid in full, including interest.

Truly a "victimless" crime. Especially when one considers that these banks have whole departments of people who are paid to assess independently the value of the property presented as collateral for the loans.

The Manhattan courts are the "Washington Generals" of the legal world.

Do you actually know anything about anything?

 

[WorldWatcher]

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23991865/trump-ny-fraud-ruling.pdf

For anyone that cares to be informed. The above is the Judges ruling.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is what makes the judge such a corrupt Democrat. No judge gets to decide what a defense is going to be. To even make the attempt is to show how partisan the judge is.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This is what makes the judge such a corrupt Democrat. No judge gets to decide what a defense is going to be. To even make the attempt is to show how partisan the judge is.

This is incorrect. Judges routinely rule on the admissibility of evidence and the validity of legal arguments made in motions all the time.

And that's just motions in writing to the Judge.

Then at trial you have never seen objections from the claimant/prosecutor or defense questioning the admissibility of evidence or line of questioning by the other side? It's routine and has been part of our jurisprudence since the beginning of this country going back to it's roots in English law.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is incorrect. Judges routinely rule on the admissibility of evidence and the validity of legal arguments made in motions all the time.

And that's just motions in writing to the Judge.

Then at trial you have never seen objections from the claimant/prosecutor or defense questioning the admissibility of evidence or line of questioning by the other side? It's routine and has been part of our jurisprudence since the beginning of this country going back to it's roots in English law.

WW

This judge refused to allow any evidence or any argument. Every defence motion was denied. No defense evidence was admitted. That makes this a non stop railroad.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This judge refused to allow any evidence or any argument. Every defence motion was denied. No defense evidence was admitted. That makes this a non stop railroad.

Having a worthless motion based on false application of the law or precedence setting court rulings is not "not being allowed to make a defense", the defense presented has to be germane to the case presented.

Their evidence would have been submitted in support of their motion to dismiss..
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And when your respondent (in a civil case) pleads the 5th Amendment over 400 times on the issue, and yes in a civil case pleading the 5th can be held against the respondent for refusing to answer questions.

That doesn't help with presenting a defense by your lawyers.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Having a worthless motion based on false application of the law or precedence setting court rulings is not "not being allowed to make a defense", the defense presented has to be germane to the case presented.

Their evidence would have been submitted in support of their motion to dismiss..
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And when your respondent (in a civil case) pleads the 5th Amendment over 400 times on the issue, and yes in a civil case pleading the 5th can be held against the respondent for refusing to answer questions.

That doesn't help with presenting a defense by your lawyers.

WW

The judge accepted no defense evidence for any reason.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The judge accepted no defense evidence for any reason.

When you client has to take the 5th Amendment over 400 times in deposition relating to the case, ...

Maybe their wasn't any evidence that they wanted to submit because any submission would just go to confirm their clients guilt.
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But I hope his lawyers were paid in advance.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When you client has to take the 5th Amendment over 400 times in deposition relating to the case, ...

Maybe their wasn't any evidence that they wanted to submit because any submission would just go to confirm their clients guilt.
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But I hope his lawyers were paid in advance.

WW

If the defense presented no evidence the judge would have no evidence to refuse to admit.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If the defense presented no evidence the judge would have no evidence to refuse to admit.

This is true.

Kind of hard to examine evidence never submitted.

WW

 

[EvilCat Breath]

This is true.

Kind of hard to examine evidence never submitted.

WW

There are criminal cases in which no defense evidence is submitted. In this case, the defense submitted evidence which was denied. The judge simply refused to consider anything but the prosecution. The appeal will be interesting. How far down the rabbit hole have we gone?

 

[WorldWatcher]

There are criminal cases in which no defense evidence is submitted. In this case, the defense submitted evidence which was denied. The judge simply refused to consider anything but the prosecution. The appeal will be interesting. How far down the rabbit hole have we gone?

That’s not true. There Judge outlined in the summary judgement why the defense arguments were, and I quote, “worthless”.

Since the reasoning was explained in detail it is not logical to claim they were not considered. It would be impossible to explain how they were not legally valid without examining them as a function of law and case precedent.

WW