Judge: Employers Don't Have To Cover HIV Meds If They Oppose 'Homosexual Behavior'

[SweetSue92]

In the US, your healthcare depends on if your company can figure out how not to pay. MAGA!

Check out people in Australia dying while waiting 6 hours for an ambulance. "universal health care". Yay liberals!

 

[SweetSue92]

Scum so-called christians.

Ah yes, the only hatred and bigotry still allowed.

 

[SweetSue92]

I hope you're talking about the people who would actually deny healthcare to others in a blanket manner that they do not understand or even care about.

Read my signature.

 

[Stann]

Check out people in Australia dying while waiting 6 hours for an ambulance. "universal health care". Yay liberals!

 

[Stann]

Rather than looking at isolated instances Australia is ranked 6th in the world for healthcare the United States is ranked 18th. Denmark is ranked number one followed by many other nations with social health care.

 

[SweetSue92]

Rather than looking at isolated instances Australia is ranked 6th in the world for healthcare the United States is ranked 18th. Denmark is ranked number one followed by many other nations with social health care.

I don't care because I don't trust who does the ranking. And it depends entirely on individual experiences. The illegals pouring over our borders, and nonetheless getting Medicaid, would probably rank us highly. Uninsured American citizens would not, while foreigners coming here for our advanced technology would.

 

[Stann]

I don't care because I don't trust who does the ranking. And it depends entirely on individual experiences. The illegals pouring over our borders, and nonetheless getting Medicaid, would probably rank us highly. Uninsured American citizens would not, while foreigners coming here for our advanced technology would.

I didn't check if I'm sure it's medical experts. At any rate going with isolated instances has a very slight chance of serving your well. Good night

 

[Couchpotato]

No one wants to claim hatred, ignorance, bigotry and prejudice as part of their religious beliefs, it's a no-brainer unless you're brain dead.

What does any of that have to do with the LAW. Again with the emotions.

 

[Couchpotato]

It's a violation of federal law to begin with.

Um no it isnt. There's no law that guarantees you a specific type of insurance. Certainly not a federal one. The ADA would make it so they cant be fired for having HIV, but wouldnt require an employer to provide healthcare for that condition. If it does quote that part of the statute.

 

[Stann]

What does any of that have to do with the LAW. Again with the emotions.

Sorry if you mistake concern for emotions. Discharge what's wrong and what he did it's against the law to discriminate like this. HIV is a serious chronic disease with no cure that's why it's protected by the American with disabilities act.

 

[Stann]

Um no it isnt. There's no law that guarantees you a specific type of insurance. Certainly not a federal one. The ADA would make it so they cant be fired for having HIV, but wouldnt require an employer to provide healthcare for that condition. If it does quote that part of the statute.

Equal employment opportunity commission. Home | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission > guidance Living with HIV infection, your legal rights in the workplace. December 1st 2015. Two things which are very important that all the employers must abide by 1. Employers are not allowed to ask if your HIV. 2. An individual's healthcare is private information. How would any employer know anything about their employees unless they violated these two rules / laws in the first place. As a nurse I know I can't give out any information on my residence unless the person has the right to see it, it's called a HIPAA violation.

 

[Blues Man]

Employers don't pay for what their group health insurance covers all they pay for is a portion of the premium

I'd like to see them try to find an insurance policy that doesn't cover HIV treatment.

 

[Stann]

Employers don't pay for what their group health insurance covers all they pay for is a portion of the premium

I'd like to see them try to find an insurance policy that doesn't cover HIV treatment.

The purpose of group insurance is to cover everyone in the group.

 

[Blues Man]

The purpose of group insurance is to cover everyone in the group.

Exactly and usually at a reduced premium compared to individual health insurance

 

[skews13]

The ruling is definitely wrong and should be appealed. It violates federal law. HIV is a protected class under the disabled individuals act. Just as drug addiction is. This judge extended a feather to hatred and bigotry. He should be prosecuted also for gross mismanagement of duty

The violation is one company telling another company what it can and cannot sell.

 

[theHawk]

AIDS isn’t a Gay Disease and as you stated it can be transmitted many other ways including usage of needles during drug usage.

Only a idiot ( we have many ) would attempt to label AIDS as a Gay disease and use religious bigotry to deny someone the expensive medication to keep the person alive.

In other words it’s 100% preventable.

 

[Coyote]

Wrong. Religions get to choose what they do. just like people get to choose to work for a corporation or not. It is only fascists who force people to work for specific organizations and control all aspects of those organizations as well.

In other words,

lighten up.

It makes a joke out of Christianity, that they’d rather see people die.

Another thing to consider: health insurance, like pensions and pay are all part of an employees compensation package for the work they do. Just like pay, the employer can’t dictate what an employee does with or what it can not cover, that should be up to the insurance. Religions don’t get to force their belief system on other people. There are two arguments in this decision. One is that of religious extremists trying to deny treatment to people on the basis of “religious freedom” even though that same religion emphasizes compassion, charity and forgiveness. The other is the cost and I am sympathetic there since covering it 100% is costly, so maybe covering a percentage would be better. I don’t know though, would be better to see actual numbers.

All these things though, are making me want to move towards a national healthcare system.

 

[Stann]

The violation is one company telling another company what it can and cannot sell.

This is just playing wrong on so many fronts it isn't funny. Another poster on here said this judge has made a lot of other erroneous rulings,he's quite a character. I can't understand why he's still allowed to be a judge.

 

[beagle9]

When did we pass the “ it has to make sense” or the “American Thing” or “Christian Thing” law? And who decides what those things are? You?

The only way what these people are doing is discriminatory is if they are providing HIV coverage to one subset and not another. I'm guessing that isn't the case and their reasoning for not providing it is irrelevant. Would it be different/better if they said the coverage was just too expensive?

And your work not providing healthcare for every disease known and unknown to man is not attacking you or anyone else.

Hmmm, if the private industry doesn't have to cover such things, then should there be a government plan that would give the supplemental coverage that might be needed for those who can't truly afford such a thing ? Otherwise yes people do crazy thing's in life, and then you have the innocent other's that might happen to get caught up in the traps of it all too, but it is by no fault of their own when they do get caught up, so suffer them also or lump them into the frey ??

Are people to be suffered or given death sentences if they weren't breaking any law's or rules when coming into contact with something like a virus somehow ? No dog in this fight, but was just trying to make sense of it all after following along.

HIV doesn't discriminate on who gets the disease right(?), and this whether it be by needle, by promiscuous activities or by other more indirect means if be it the case right ?........ No one should be given a death sentence if they weren't intentionally breaking any serious law's or rules by their being irresponsible in life....

Now it is that moral values and rules should be uplifted again in this so called civilized society we supposedly live within and/or in this country again, otherwise it should be done as a stark reminder that sin is a dangerous thing to toy with or get caught up in. It has been seen so many times over and over in people's lives throughout history or time now, and stark warnings and education is man and woman's only hope to do better in life while in the midst of it all. The Bible tells about it all.

Hopefully people will turn from their sinfulness if given another chance in life, otherwise after the killer arrow was fired at them by the evil one therefore wounding them forever upon the earth, but somehow they are given a second chance in order to hopefully get their lives back within the chaos, and yet this is spoken only as if they hopefully choose to do so.

Even if the one's doing wrong in life has lead them into despair, and their second chance is them having to live on a drug that is sustaining their live's after the messing up of their live's had since come to pass, then they should see it all as a lesson in life of what not to do anymore after being directly exposed to something that now needs a maintenance drug or cocktail mix of drug's in order to sustain their live's with, otherwise after them being wounded in their situations.

The drug should quietly be accessible and affordable for anyone while they hopefully heal in all ways needed be it physically and mentally in their live's, and for the ones that engage in things that bring about such a thing in which they were warned about in the stats, otherwise that directly told everyone with an ounce of common sense about what NOT to do in life, then hopefully they'll have a better understanding about what got them there in the first place, and what not to do in the future while having to live on a drug in order to sustain their lives with.... Once they've been ensnared by the poison arrow received, hopefully they learn a much needed lesson in life in which is to tell other's to turn away from sin before they are mortally wounded by it (otherwise to think of other's instead of themselves), and if mortally wounded then it's all the more reason to turn away from it before other's follow their lead in becoming wounded also.

A lot of re-education, education, and rehabilitation is needed in this COUNTRY big time, and the devil's lie's convincing anyone otherwise needs to be stopped.

It's like slowing down a train that is about to leave it's tracks, it hopefully can still be done.

It's not normal to have to be sustained in life by a "drug", otherwise that is used to stop one from dying from something in which they(?) hopefully do finally realize what the drug is being used for, and how it is being used for that reason...

As a result of coming into direct contact when contact is made, then at the same time it should also give people great pause in their live's about how they ended up in such a situation to begin with.

THINK PEOPLE.

Praying for everyone in life to somehow heal their mind's and bodies if they have been harpooned by the evil one, otherwise who sent a his poison arrows with very deceptive guidance in order to destroy the mind, body, and soul in these constant relentless attacks upon the creation. It is the evil ones goal to destroy as much as he can before his time is finished here.

The devil is the author of all confusion, and soon his folly will end. Until then the earth and therefore man and woman who live upon it must seek shelter from the raging storm's, and Jesus is the only way and the light that leadeth one out of the darkness and back into the light, and this is regardless of the wounds received from the evil ones attacks.

Let's all help the Lord and not the evil one who keeps his evil arrows sharp in order to destroy that which is good in the world on the ready. Put on the Armour of God, and resist the Devil. AMEN.

If constant sinning has caused your grief in your life people, then you know what to do. Resist the Devil, and he shall flee from you. Utter these words daily if attacked "get thee behind me Satan for it is written". Say this everytime he comes a visiting.... AMEN
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[MinTrut]

Judge: Employers Don't Have To Cover HIV Meds If They Oppose 'Homosexual Behavior'

A federal judge who frequently sides with conservatives just handed anti-LGBTQ Christian employers a big win.

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This is outragious! Not everyone who contracts HIV is a homosexual. It can be the result of heterosexual sex as well, or a blood transfusion, or maybe from being attacked by someone with HIV. So if they are going to refuse coverage to gay people with HIV, they had better damned well refuse coverage to all workers with HIV or it's discrimination and in conflict with Obergefell

As far as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act goes, discrimination is not a free excercise of religion. It is DISCRININATION

Yeah - this won't withstand further judicial scrutiny.