Jonathan Turley: Statements By Capitol Police Officer Who Killed Ashli Babbitt ‘Demolish the Two Official Reviews That Cleared Him’

[Claudette]

Doc7505
Yup. If Byrd were a regular LEO he would be charged with murder.

 

[wamose]

He murdered her because he was unfit for the duty and far too fearfully preemptive and lethal over matters that he had no confirmation of as to lethality presented by her. Speculation is insipidly weak defense

The way he panicked, he should have never been armed. Either him or the idiot that gave him a job with a gun or both should be charged with manslaughter at the least. This cop should have had some kind of desk job

 

[martybegan]

Its a retarded comparison. Your failure to come up with one valid enough for me to take seriously should be a warning to you about your brain slippage.

It's simply asking if somehow the rules for a good shoot change when its either in the capitol, for some reason, or just because it was a white trump supporter getting shot.

 

[martybegan]

She wasnt tumbling. She was climbing. When he shot her ass she tumbled backwards but that was the only time the retarded bitch tumbled. She wont make that mistake again.

And while climbing was zero threat to the officer, and had officers around her on the other side.

So a cop can shoot someone climbing through a window towards them? when other cops are inside or outside the house, to encourage other would be climbers not to do it?

 

[martybegan]

Yes, as it turns out, pulling someone over is a bit different than a violent mob breaking into the Capitol and cornering our congresspeople.

Mike Pence was in a secure room with his family. What do you suppose prompted that? Everyone knows the answer.

Then there is you.

Wow, you go with a completely incomparable situation because you know using an actual equivalent example would make the capitol shoot a bad one.

Where in the deadly use of force rules is "discouraging others from attempting the same thing" allowed?

 

[martybegan]

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This ground is so thoroughly plowed.
Nothing new to be discussed.
It is now just a Whack-A-Mole exercise.
But, I'll play a just a little bit more....after all, who can't be amused by a mosh pit of nutsocrazo like the quotes above: "wants Trump support to equal death"; "...wanted to kill a Trump supporter..."

Whackaloonery!
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More substantively, and hurriedly moving away from the Whackaloons ----
All of the adults here recognize and adapt to the maxim --decisions have consequences.
Accordingly, Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.

• She decided to participate with a mob to violently break down a barrier erected specifically to exclude them.
• She decided to disobey a direct police order, loudly and forcefully delivered, to stop, to back away, to go away.
• She decided to ignore the threat of an aimed weapon in the hands of a police officer.
• She decided to charge at the police through the shattered breach.

And now, she is dead for that whole series of poor decisions.
May her family find peace.

And under most use of force rules she should have been apprehended and arrested, not shot to discourage others from doing the same thing.

She wasn't "charging", she was climbing (poorly) through a broken door window.

 

[Chillicothe]

"And under most use of force rules she should have been apprehended and arrested, not shot ...... She wasn't "charging", she was climbing (poorly) through a broken door window."

Or, alternatively, and contextualized:
Officers, upon hearing on their personal mobile communications that a mob is violently attacking police officers outside the capitol; officers are down; the mob has violently breached the building, and is charging inside ---- and then when that mob is attempting to attack the people they are sworn to protect by destroying barricades intentionally installed to prevent them from doing that; and when a breach is created by violent methods and a hostile mob member hastens through the breach headed towards the police .......despite being loudly and repeatedly warned not to do so by the threatened officers.......

.....well, let's just say "use-of-force" guidance allows for extraordinary measures.

Which were applied.
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OK, that is righteous perspective based on the common sense of the officers behind the barricade.

Let's next turn our attention to Ms. Babbitt and her defenders.

• Ms. Babbitt decided to join a violent mob.
• Babbitt decided to participate in the violent breaching of a police barricade in a critically important Federal governance building.
• Babbitt decided to loudly threaten and remonstrate at the officers behind the barricade.
• Babbitt decided --once the breach was opened ---to hurl herself into the breach towards those defending officers on the opposite side. Charging at them.

Does anyone here....other than my poor avatar......think that Ms. Babbitt bears responsibility for her voluntary series of bad decisions?
Accountability for one's actions is a thing.
Responsible adults know that. And try hard to adhere to it's obvious strictures.

Babbitt is dead ...... because of Babbitt.

Duh!

 

[martybegan]

Or, alternatively, and contextualized:
Officers, upon hearing on their personal mobile communications that a mob is violently attacking police officers outside the capitol; officers are down; the mob has violently breached the building, and is charging inside ---- and then when that mob is attempting to attack the people they are sworn to protect by destroying barricades intentionally installed to prevent them from doing that; and when a breach is created by violent methods and a hostile mob member hastens through the breach headed towards the police .......despite being loudly and repeatedly warned not to do so by the threatened officers.......

.....well, let's just say "use-of-force" guidance allows for extraordinary measures.

Which were applied.
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OK, that is righteous perspective based on the common sense of the officers behind the barricade.

Let's next turn our attention to Ms. Babbitt and her defenders.

• Ms. Babbitt decided to join a violent mob.
• Babbitt decided to participate in the violent breaching of a police barricade in a critically important Federal governance building.
• Babbitt decided to loudly threaten and remonstrate at the officers behind the barricade.
• Babbitt decided --once the breach was opened ---to hurl herself into the breach towards those defending officers on the opposite side. Charging at them.

Does anyone here....other than my poor avatar......think that Ms. Babbitt bears responsibility for her voluntary series of bad decisions?
Accountability for one's actions is a thing.
Responsible adults know that. And try hard to adhere to it's obvious strictures.

Babbitt is dead ...... because of Babbitt.

Duh!

Then why weren't officers shooting volleys at the anti-fa protesters all during the Floyd protests and after?

Sorry, but a "whiff of grapeshot" as a way of dispersing a mob went out with Napoleon.

 

[Turtlesoup]

It is when your climbing through a window and a cop is telling you to stop. Thats why her ass is dead. She must have been listening to cowardly idiots like you that talked her into dying for you.

Who was telling her to stop hun? The murdering capital whatever he was didn't say anything...again they have video from his side as well..he SNUCK UP to the position as it is obvious that he wasn't allowed to be on that line (notice the papers that he was also holding--he was supposed to away from the front line) from the guys that were in position and were in contact with the cops standing about 4 foot behind ashli. He snuck up hiding from the secret service and other cops who were supposed to be there, aimed and shot...without cause or an order. There have been home owners and other cops put in prison for just shooting someone breaking and entering, but hey if you want to say that shooting someone breaking in without warn is legal now------lets start annihilating all of the rioters. ALL of them....

And IF you think it was a legal kill----how come ALL of the other about 10 officers that were supposed to be didn't shoot her or anyone else? HMMM

 

[Chillicothe]

Then why weren't officers shooting volleys at the anti-fa protesters all during the Floyd protests and after?

Really?
"Floyd protest"?
How far back you wanna go to find a cache of false-equivalencies?
Student protests in Berkley and Ann Arbor in the '60's?
How 'bout the Me-Too marches in 2018?
Draft riot in New York in the 1860's?

How many times does it need be repeated? -----Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.

This is Adult Swim here. Personal accountability for one's actions really is a thing.
The adults knows that.

Nonetheless, some here --evidently ----want to portray Babbitt as an innocent bystander who caught a slug from some mendacious policeman who was personally out to kill a Trumper.

Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.
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Hypothetical question to posed to a hypothetical respondee:

Say your local police have blocked off a street due to some kind of a disturbance....riot, robbery, auto accident.
You march up to the barricade, loudly holler and shake your fist at the cops behind the barricade demanding entry.
They tell you to back off, go away, stop right there.
You begin to tear away at their barricade.
One of 'em pulls out his weapon and aims it at you.

So, dear hypothetical respondee....would YOU.....continue to breach that barricade?
In the face of that expressed warning? In the presence of that pointed gun?

Don't bother with an answer. I'll give you your hypothetical one: 'Friggin A'.....no.....you wouldn't.'
Cause you are smart. And you ain't all caught up in some partisan extremism. Good for you.

You coulda advised Babbitt to reconsider her decisions to join the violent mob; her decision to encourage them at the barricade'; her decision to jump into the violently opened breach and into the space the police were charged to protect.

You would make sound decisions. Babbitt didn't.

Can we be any clearer?

 

[Asclepias]

Who was telling her to stop hun?

The cop that blasted her ass and a couple of fellow insurrectionists.

 

[Asclepias]

how come ALL of the other about 10 officers that were supposed to be didn't shoot her or anyone else?

Because he was faster and smarter than the other cops. You only need to kill one to scare the other cowardly bitches.

 

[martybegan]

Really?
"Floyd protest"?
How far back you wanna go to find a cache of false-equivalencies?
Student protests in Berkley and Ann Arbor in the '60's?
How 'bout the Me-Too marches in 2018?
Draft riot in New York in the 1860's?

How many times does it need be repeated? -----Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.

This is Adult Swim here. Personal accountability for one's actions really is a thing.
The adults knows that.

Nonetheless, some here --evidently ----want to portray Babbitt as an innocent bystander who caught a slug from some mendacious policeman who was personally out to kill a Trumper.

Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.
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Hypothetical question to posed to a hypothetical respondee:

Say your local police have blocked off a street due to some kind of a disturbance....riot, robbery, auto accident.
You march up to the barricade, loudly holler and shake your fist at the cops behind the barricade demanding entry.
They tell you to back off, go away, stop right there.
You begin to tear away at their barricade.
One of 'em pulls out his weapon and aims it at you.

So, dear hypothetical respondee....would YOU.....continue to breach that barricade?
In the face of that expressed warning? In the presence of that pointed gun?

Don't bother with an answer. I'll give you your hypothetical one: 'Friggin A'.....no.....you wouldn't.'
Cause you are smart. And you ain't all caught up in some partisan extremism. Good for you.

You coulda advised Babbitt to reconsider her decisions to join the violent mob; her decision to encourage them at the barricade'; her decision to jump into the violently opened breach and into the space the police were charged to protect.

You would make sound decisions. Babbitt didn't.

Can we be any clearer?

Tearing at a barricade isn't a lethal force response requirement. They would tackle your ass and arrest you.

 

[Chillicothe]

"They would tackle your ass and arrest you."

And the angry violent mob backing me up?

 

[Esdraelon]

Personally, I would like him to receive justice.

I'm pretty sure he will. With as much publicity as surrounded his murder of this citizen, he'd best be looking over his shoulder from now on.

 

[Esdraelon]

And the angry violent mob backing me up?

So... why not just unload into that mob? Surely, this 5ft nothin, 110 lb woman wasn't the worst threat in the "mob"? Imagine the aftermath had this SOB done that. Had he just started slinging lead into the pack, none of them were armed. You CANNOT get beyond that point. Using deadly force against a "potentially" dangerous person is never justified. Well, unless you're black, a Democrat, and shooting a white person. That day is coming when the anger that's been dammed up, is going to burst. Hopefully, Mr. Byrd will get his chance to see what it's like.

 

[Chillicothe]

"That day is coming when the anger that's been dammed up, is going to burst."

Well, poster E., I sincerely wish you---and your family---the very best as you wrestle with your anger issues.

Good luck to all of you.

 

[martybegan]

And the angry violent mob backing me up?

You mean the people with the cops intermingled with them on the same side of the door/barricade?

 

[Doc7505]

All in all, Democrats have now justified the killing of unarmed individuals as long as they are white.

 

[Doc7505]

Nobody gives a shit what you MAGA turds think because DOJ exonerated Byrd. You Trump asslickers want to nail Byrd so you can justify Trump & his goons actions that day.

We know what you're up to & ya don't give a rat's ass about Babbitt, so take a hike, cultist.

So now Democrats justify the killing by black members of the DC Police of unarmed people especially if they're white and women?