Jonathan Turley: Statements By Capitol Police Officer Who Killed Ashli Babbitt ‘Demolish the Two Official Reviews That Cleared Him’

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I ask the same question I asked Assplicass.

A cop shoots one black guy out of a group of black guys trespassing and trying to get further into said property breaking things. police are both in front of the group, and behind it. The purpose of the shooting is to discourage the rest from continuing, good shoot or not?

Is the police officer and the officials he is paid to protect cornered by a violent mob? Oops forgot another detail. Third clue.

Go peddle this hot garbage to someone dumber.

 

[Asclepias]

So say a cop is watching 5 black guys trespassing and trying to get further into the structure, it's OK for him to shoot one of them to discourage the others from continuing, even if cops are both in front and behind said black guys?

Not exactly sure why you think that is like someone about to attack Congress backed by a violent mob. Are you retarded or just really..really stupid?

 

[Chillicothe]

"... it's OK for him to shoot one of them........The purpose of the shooting is to discourage the rest ......?"

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Well, good poster Marty, I personally think it is rare for it to be "OK' (your words, not mine) to shoot someone.
But, on the other hand, necessity is a thing.

So, let's do a tape-rewind of the "purpose.. to discourage".
Ah, I demur.
This purpose in this shooting.....was to stop a threat. Duh!


In the specific case of that poor duped Babbitt woman.....well, she participated and encouraged the violence against the erected police barricade. She loudly remonstrated against the officers on the opposite side of that barricade (watch the video). A gun was brandished and pointed. The rioters loudly acknowledged it. The police warned the rioters to back off. To leave, to go away.

And when Babbitt's mob-group breached the barricade she was the only one who charged the police.....blithely ignoring the shouted warnings, the orders to back off.....and, importantly, that damn aimed gun.

May she rest in peace.
And may that officer ---and his family--- be safe from the RWNJ extremist who threaten them. Surely, poster Marty, you can agree that that officer and his family should not be harmed. No?

 

[martybegan]

5? Ha, see the weaselly things you have to do try to draw a comparison? That should be your first clue.
Have they assaulted and injured 140 police officers and shouted death threats? Oops left that out. Second clue.

She did, the people around her did?

 

[martybegan]

Not exactly sure why you think that is like someone about to attack Congress backed by a violent mob. Are you retarded or just really..really stupid?

Its an apt comparison. That you can't actually answer it shows your bullshit.

Is the police officer and the officials he is paid to protect cornered by a violent mob? Oops forgot another detail. Third clue.

Go peddle this hot garbage to someone dumber.

The "mob" had other cops interspersed with it in the room on the other side of the barricade, and none of them were being hurt.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

She did, the people around her did?

Safe to assume yes and yes, for the officer, and that they were not breaking through the door to have a nice chat.

 

[martybegan]

Safe to assume yes and yes, for the officer, and that they were not breaking through the door to have a nice chat.

Any cop that assumed that in a regular police situation would be castigated by you idiots.

again, plenty of other cops with nastier weapons all around the people on her side of the barrier, and none of them even aimed their weapons at the trespassers.

 

[Toro]

Jonathan Turley:​

Statements By Capitol Police Officer Who Killed Ashli Babbitt ‘Demolish the Two Official Reviews That Cleared Him’​

“Under Byrd’s interpretation, hundreds of rioters could have been gunned down on Jan. 6.”​

Jonathan Turley: Statements By Capitol Police Officer Who Killed Ashli Babbitt ‘Demolish the Two Official Reviews That Cleared Him’

"Under Byrd's interpretation, hundreds of rioters could have been gunned down on Jan. 6."

legalinsurrection.com

29 Aug 2021 ~~ By Stacey Matthews
Numerous aspects of what unfolded during the Capitol riot have been hotly debated in the months since it happened, but few have been as contentious and emotional as the debate over the officer-involved shooting death of Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt.
The 35-year-old Air Force veteran was shot and killed by Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd on January 6th after she tried to climb through a glass-paneled door after parts of it had been shattered by another rioter, identified as Zachary Jordan Alam.
Babbitt, who reportedly had been standing next to Alam, was shot.
n April, the Biden Department of Justice announced they had closed the investigation into the fatal shooting and would not be pursuing criminal charges against Byrd, citing “insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution.”
Just last week, the Capitol Police confirmed a report from NBC News that they had exonerated Byrd, a 28-year veteran of the force. They stated in a press release that Byrd – who they did not name – “will not be facing internal discipline” because in their view Byrd’s conduct “was lawful and within Department policy, which says an officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer’s own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury.”
On the heels of the USCP exonerating Byrd, he did an interview with NBC News anchor Lester Holt, identifying himself publicly for the first time.
Instead of clearing things up, the interview only intensified the debate over his actions and whether they were justified. Here’s a key moment from their back and forth:

Video shot by a person in the crowd showed two officers posted in front of the door. Heavily outnumbered, they eventually stepped aside.​

Byrd said he had no knowledge that any officers were there. Because of the furniture stacked on his side of the door, he also couldn’t make out how many people were on the other side or whether they were carrying weapons.​

“It was impossible for me to see what was on the other side,” he said.​

But he did see the person now known to be Babbitt start coming through the broken glass.​

“I could not fully see her hands or what was in the backpack or what the intentions are,” Byrd said. “But they had shown violence leading up to that point.”​

Byrd, who says he has been in hiding since that day and has faced death threats, told Holt it was the first time he’d ever fired his weapon.
Watch an edited version of the interview below:

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The extended interview can be viewed here.
Georgetown University Law School Professor Jonathan Turley, who has long been a critic of official media narratives surrounding the shooting, said that instead of confirming that the respective decisions by the DOJ and the Capitol Police not to pursue action against Byrd were the right ones to make that Byrd “proceeded to demolish the two official reviews that cleared him” after he admitted he could not determine whether Babbitt was armed:

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He expanded on his opinion in a piece published at The Hill:

While the Supreme Court, in cases such as Graham v. Connor, has said that courts must consider “the facts and circumstances of each particular case,” it has emphasized that lethal force must be used only against someone who is “an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others, and … is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.” Particularly with armed assailants, the standard governing “imminent harm” recognizes that these decisions must often be made in the most chaotic and brief encounters. ​

Under these standards, police officers should not shoot unarmed suspects or rioters without a clear threat to themselves or fellow officers.​

[…]​

Legal experts and the media have avoided the obvious implications of the two reviews in the Babbitt shooting. Under this standard, hundreds of rioters could have been gunned down on Jan. 6 — and officers in cities such as Seattle or Portland, Ore., could have killed hundreds of violent protesters who tried to burn courthouses, took over city halls or occupied police stations during last summer’s widespread rioting. In all of those protests, a small number of activists from both political extremes showed up prepared for violence and pushed others to riot. According to the DOJ’s Byrd review, officers in those cities would not have been required to see a weapon in order to use lethal force in defending buildings.​

I’m not a legal analyst, but I think Turley makes some good points here.



Comment:
Not a single officer at the Capitol that day was threatened with deadly force. If they had been, other rioters would have been shot. “Context” shows that the officer’s lives were not in danger, and no other officer present thought that they were. This includes the officers who had their guns drawn right alongside Byrd; even they did not fire.
Someone crawling through a broken window? Haul them through, put them in zip ties, pass them to another officer to take away, or tell them to sit down and don’t move. Byrd was not a homeowner at night in the dark, defending his home while alone. He was a trained LEO, with armed fellow officers by his side, and still had a barrier between himself and other rioters, who were not known to have been armed (and were, in fact, not armed).
Please note the following:

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/r190_14.pdf

Byrd violated the Rules of Engagement of both the Military and Law Enforcement. Had a soldier shot a unarmed civilian under the same circumstances he would have been court martialed.
In incidents involving police shootings, LEO's have been prosecuted for shooting supposed unarmed perpetrators, yet in this case there is no indictment or real investigation. The justification of the murder of Ashli Babbitt is purely political and Byrd has virtually gotten away with murder.
Succinctly said. If Byrd were White and Babbitt were Black, there would have been riots, arson and looting. Personally, I would like him to receive justice.

If she was a black BLM poster who stormed the Capitol and instigated violence against the police, you’d be frothing at the mouth that she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Cults gonna cult!

 

[martybegan]

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Well, good poster Marty, I personally think it is rare for it to be "OK' (your words, not mine) to shoot someone.
But, on the other hand, necessity is a thing.

So, let's do a tape-rewind of the "purpose.. to discourage".
Ah, I demur.
This purpose in this shooting.....was to stop a threat. Duh!


In the specific case of that poor duped Babbitt woman.....well, she participated and encouraged the violence against the erected police barricade. She loudly remonstrated against the officers on the opposite side of that barricade (watch the video). A gun was brandished and pointed. The rioters loudly acknowledged it. The police warned the rioters to back off. To leave, to go away.

And when Babbitt's mob-group breached the barricade she was the only one who charged the police.....blithely ignoring the shouted warnings, the orders to back off.....and, importantly, that damn aimed gun.

May she rest in peace.
And may that officer ---and his family--- be safe from the RWNJ extremist who threaten them. Surely, poster Marty, you can agree that that officer and his family should not be harmed. No?

Charged? She was tumbling through a blocked door, with other much more armed cops on the trespassers side.

One cop only fired his weapon, and his life was not in danger. In any other shooting situation, it would be a bad shoot.

But since your side wants Trump support to equal death penalty, I can understand the logical gymnastics you do to make this a good shoot.

He wasn't even touched, she wasn't armed and when shot was in no position to harm him, she fell back into the room she came from, which means most of her was still in the original room.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Like I've been saying, this was murder. There was no imminent threat, no deadly force, Ashli was pinned in a doorway window and there were other police present. For some reason known only to Officer Byrd, he inexplicably jumped forward gun drawn and shot her point blank in the face.

Is the police officer and the officials he is paid to protect cornered by a violent mob? Oops forgot another detail. Third clue.

Go peddle this hot garbage to someone dumber.

They weren't cornered...and this nitwit corrupt knuckledragger wasn't even supposed to be on the front line---video shows his dumb as circle around and sneak up to side to avoid the other secret service that was supposed to be there and who didn't shoot anyone....

Byrd wanted to kill a trump supporter and so he did. It was murder.

 

[Asclepias]

Its an apt comparison.

Its a retarded comparison. Your failure to come up with one valid enough for me to take seriously should be a warning to you about your brain slippage.

 

[Asclepias]

If she was a black BLM poster who stormed the Capitol and instigated violence against the police, you’d be frothing at the mouth that she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Cults gonna cult!

If Black people had stormed the capitol they would have all been shot on the spot.

 

[Asclepias]

Charged? She was tumbling through a blocked door

She wasnt tumbling. She was climbing. When he shot her ass she tumbled backwards but that was the only time the retarded bitch tumbled. She wont make that mistake again.

 

[Turtlesoup]

She wasnt tumbling. She was climbing. When he shot her ass she tumbled backwards but that was the only time the retarded bitch tumbled. She wont make that mistake again.

Well Climbing isn't a capital crime, so the racist cop murdered her.

 

[BS Filter]

Other views:

The barricade was being violently attacked and shattered, with Ms Babbitt vocally encouraging the destruction while loudly denigrating the uniformed police on the opposite side.

The crowd was warned to back away. Repeatedly.
A gun was brandished and pointed.
It was loudly acknowledged by Ms Babbit's cohorts beside her.
She knew it was there.
And pointed at the location of the violent breach.

Still, she persisted.
When the violent breach was finally effected she charged at the officers through that shattered breach....despite the warnings.

Babbitt, the duped political naif....paid for her foolishness with her life.


Important Takeaway:
Do not participate in a violent mob destroying police barricades in an important U.S. government building .......and then charge at the police after being warned not to......and when you know a gun is pointed at you.*




* Source: "Staying Un-shot for Dummies" by Captain Obvious.

She was unarmed.

 

[Asclepias]

Well Climbing isn't a capital crime,

It is when your climbing through a window and a cop is telling you to stop. Thats why her ass is dead. She must have been listening to cowardly idiots like you that talked her into dying for you.

 

[Asclepias]

She was unarmed.

She should have had a sign stating that and being held with both hands. Since she didnt she got her ass shot. Shes dead and he is the hero.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Any cop that assumed that in a regular police situation would be castigated by you idiots.

Yes, as it turns out, pulling someone over is a bit different than a violent mob breaking into the Capitol and cornering our congresspeople.

Mike Pence was in a secure room with his family. What do you suppose prompted that? Everyone knows the answer.

Then there is you.

 

[Clipper]

They weren't cornered...and this nitwit corrupt knuckledragger wasn't even supposed to be on the front line---video shows his dumb as circle around and sneak up to side to avoid the other secret service that was supposed to be there and who didn't shoot anyone....

Byrd wanted to kill a trump supporter and so he did. It was murder.

If she didn't listen to the orange ape & his goons like Guiliani that day she'd still be alive.

Everything Trump touched turned to shit including the Bozos who hung their hat on the promise of a two bit conman. Take a look at some of the bottom feeders he surrounded himself with. They don't look too haapy to me.

 

[Chillicothe]

But since your side wants Trump support to equal death penalty....... "

"Byrd wanted to kill a trump supporter and so he did."

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This ground is so thoroughly plowed.
Nothing new to be discussed.
It is now just a Whack-A-Mole exercise.
But, I'll play a just a little bit more....after all, who can't be amused by a mosh pit of nutsocrazo like the quotes above: "wants Trump support to equal death"; "...wanted to kill a Trump supporter..."

Whackaloonery!
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More substantively, and hurriedly moving away from the Whackaloons ----
All of the adults here recognize and adapt to the maxim --decisions have consequences.
Accordingly, Babbitt is dead because of Babbitt.

• She decided to participate with a mob to violently break down a barrier erected specifically to exclude them.
• She decided to disobey a direct police order, loudly and forcefully delivered, to stop, to back away, to go away.
• She decided to ignore the threat of an aimed weapon in the hands of a police officer.
• She decided to charge at the police through the shattered breach.

And now, she is dead for that whole series of poor decisions.
May her family find peace.