John Boehner and Republicans want YOU to pick up BP's Tab

[PatekPhilippe]

What you are overlooking is this fact. The U.S. government is responsible to a degree....we gave BP the license and approved their drilling plan without an adequate back up plan for a disaster....hence...where we are today.

The government gave you a license to drive a vehicle, so if on the way to work after a late night at the tavern you plow into a group of schoolkids, the government should share the responsibility?

I knew this thread would be fertile ground to pick off pea brains...

Sorry you stupid ******* ass clown..the U.S. government DID NOT give me a driver's license.....and I don't drink and drive like your ******* dumb ass does...
NEXT!!!!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Funny...I saw a discussion on the governments response to the whole oil disaster and guess what....Americans are by a large margin very disastisfied with the governments response. This is called "blowback". You left wing ass holes were so fond of that term...until you all became a victim of your own inherent stupidity. You all can ***** and complain, point fingers but the oil is still flowing into the Gulf.

Sorry Patek, this is not even close to the phenomenon called "Blowback."

WRONG!!!..Yes it is.....

 

[boedicca]

You are a ******* hack idiot.

By the way, Boner backed off this leaving you blowing in the wind, dumb ass.

YUO = Moron

The Feds have collected an 8 cent per barrel tax for years to pay for dealing with oil spills (for a cumulative amount of $1.5B). Instead of actually doing something to contain this one in order to prevent further damage, Obama is twiddling his thumbs. Why on earth should the Feds collect a tax to deal with disasters and then not spend the money to deal with them when they do occur?

The wind you hear blowing is the gusts between your ears, idiot.

Anyone else wondering where that money is?

If they had done what they were supposed to do, then we wouldn't have to worry about BP paying for it.... and, let's not overlook the fact that, so far, BP have not attempted to negate their financial responsibility for the clean up.

We know where the money is - Congress has already spent it. It's just the same with every other tax we pay for specific programs. The advertised purpose is just a pretext to collect funds to Grow Big Government. There is no Oil Disaster Clean Up Trust Fund - just as the SS Trust Fund is a smoke and mirrors gimmick.

That said. The Feds have more than enough money to allocate funds to efforts to prevent further damage. The sooner they act, the less damage there will be. Why we are at day 50+ and having to discuss this is completely unacceptable.

 

[Jarhead]

No, the Feds cleans it up and sends BP the bill for the WHOLE THING. YOU FRIGIN REPUBLICANS ARE HILLARIOUS! But please do keep pushing the Tax Payer helping BP idea. It is a great political platform...idiots

Dense. Very Dense.

Who will do a better job cleaning your house...you or a house cleaner?

BP will do the bare minimum required by the government. CoC simply wants the best job done possible and the only way that will hapopen is with tax payer money.

But please, spin it all you want.

It makes you look silly.

So, now BIG government is the solution and the private sector is too inefficient and self serving?

Pathetic attempt at a spin.
Ignore logic. Fine with me. Live in a bubble. Please.

 

[boedicca]

Uh...did you even bother to read this? He clearly said "BP and the Federal government".

Considering that the Feds have collected an 8 cent per barrel tax to cover the costs of oil spill disasters (for a cumulative amount to date of $1.5B) - why shouldn't the Feds spend some of the money collected to cover the costs of oil spills on an actual oil spill?

We have Already Picked Up The Tab - which the Feds are bogarting.

Interesting corporate welfare logic.

So the government collects taxes on we citizens, too.

If we screw up and cause an environmental disaster, should the government pay their share of our tab, too?

It's not corporate welfare logic. It's holding government accountable for fulfilling its responsibilities. If they are going to collect money for a specific purpose, that money should be used for that purpose.

Not all oil disasters are going to have some corporation to blame. What if this incident were the result of a terrorist attack?

With your logic, we should all expect to pay for ObamaCare, and not receive any services (which is what is going to happen for many people).

 

[boedicca]

The interesting part for me is the fact that the tax was collected and we HAD NO RESPONSE. The entire time I have heard that the government does not have the equipment or the expertise to contain the spill. Well, WHY THE **** NOT IF THERE HAS BEEN 1.5 BILLION COLLECTED FOR OIL SPILLS. Bullshit if you ask me. We should be there NOW cleaning up NOW and spending that money NOW. We can collect from BP later as that is their place but the more important thing is to get this spill contained ASAP.

Do you not realize that the real money, the real impact, will be that which is lost from the economy and environmental damage to come. Avoiding as much of that as possible will be the way to reduce the impact on the taxpayer, not play the blame game while oil spews into the ocean. We have lots of time for that later, AFTER this has been fixed.

And just think what Congress' response has been: to work on changing the regulations so that the tax is quintupled from 8 cents to 40 cents per barrel.

 

[Immanuel]

Uh...did you even bother to read this? He clearly said "BP and the Federal government".

Considering that the Feds have collected an 8 cent per barrel tax to cover the costs of oil spill disasters (for a cumulative amount to date of $1.5B) - why shouldn't the Feds spend some of the money collected to cover the costs of oil spills on an actual oil spill?

We have Already Picked Up The Tab - which the Feds are bogarting.

Interesting corporate welfare logic.

So the government collects taxes on we citizens, too.

If we screw up and cause an environmental disaster, should the government pay their share of our tab, too?

It's not corporate welfare logic. It's holding government accountable for fulfilling its responsibilities. If they are going to collect money for a specific purpose, that money should be used for that purpose.

Not all oil disasters are going to have some corporation to blame. What if this incident were the result of a terrorist attack?

With your logic, we should all expect to pay for ObamaCare, and not receive any services (which is what is going to happen for many people).

If I as an accountant take funds that are given to me in trust for a specific reason and use it for anything besides what it was designated for... well, guess where I end up... that is right, in prison.

Unfortunately, that is not the case when it comes to the government purse strings.

Immie

 

[boedicca]

This thread has certainly turned into a Petri Dish for the true Liberal Heart and Sensibility.

The government has collected $1.5B for oil disaster relief over the years. Thousands (if not millions) of American Citizens lives are affected by the damage done to the fishing and tourism industries, and the business that depend upon them. Instead of wanting the government to use the funds that have been collected to protect these people from further damage, the lefties are more concerned with demonizing and sticking it to BP.

The Liberal Heart has shrunk three sizes today - an inverted Grinch maneuver.

"You're a mean one, Mr. Lib
You really are a heel
Your heart is full of spiders
You're a black banana peel, Mr. Lib...."

 

[VaYank5150]

This thread has certainly turned into a Petri Dish for the true Liberal Heart and Sensibility.

The government has collected $1.5B for oil disaster relief over the years. Thousands (if not millions) of American Citizens lives are affected by the damage done to the fishing and tourism industries, and the business that depend upon them. Instead of wanting the government to use the funds that have been collected to protect these people from further damage, the lefties are more concerned with demonizing and sticking it to BP.

The Liberal Heart has shrunk three sizes today - an inverted Grinch maneuver.

"You're a mean one, Mr. Lib
You really are a heel
Your heart is full of spiders
You're a black banana peel, Mr. Lib...."

Do you think those Coast Guard cutters, along with all of their personnel are cheap to operate??

 

[boedicca]

We already pay taxes for those as well.

Where are the boom, dredging, and berms that have been requested for weeks?

 

[VaYank5150]

We already pay taxes for those as well.

Where are the boom, dredging, and berms that have been requested for weeks?

No we don't. We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

 

[Immanuel]

We already pay taxes for those as well.

Where are the boom, dredging, and berms that have been requested for weeks?

No we don't. We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

Huh?

Do you know what the Mission of the U.S. Coast Guard is?

USCG: Missions

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Maritime Security: Protect America's maritime borders from all intrusions by: (a) halting the flow of illegal drugs, aliens, and contraband into the United States through maritime routes; (b) preventing illegal fishing; and (c) suppressing violations of federal law in the maritime arena.

Maritime Mobility: Facilitate maritime commerce and eliminate interruptions and impediments to the efficient and economical movement of goods and people, while maximizing recreational access to and enjoyment of the water.

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

Protection of Natural Resources: Eliminate environmental damage and the degradation of natural resources associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating.

Note the last mission listed Protection of Natural Resources. That is what they are supposed to be doing.

Immie

 

[VaYank5150]

We already pay taxes for those as well.

Where are the boom, dredging, and berms that have been requested for weeks?

No we don't. We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

Huh?

Do you know what the Mission of the U.S. Coast Guard is?

USCG: Missions

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Maritime Security: Protect America's maritime borders from all intrusions by: (a) halting the flow of illegal drugs, aliens, and contraband into the United States through maritime routes; (b) preventing illegal fishing; and (c) suppressing violations of federal law in the maritime arena.

Maritime Mobility: Facilitate maritime commerce and eliminate interruptions and impediments to the efficient and economical movement of goods and people, while maximizing recreational access to and enjoyment of the water.

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

Protection of Natural Resources: Eliminate environmental damage and the degradation of natural resources associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating.

Note the last mission listed Protection of Natural Resources. That is what they are supposed to be doing.

Immie

No shit, Immie. I assume you know what a budget is, and how it works, so please don't make me spell this all out for you?

 

[boedicca]

EDIT: Immie beat me to it! Hat tip!

The Coast Guard is there to patrol and protect the coastal waters.

The United States Coast Guard is a military, multimission, maritime service within the Department of Homeland Security and one of the nation's five armed services. Its core roles are to protect the public, the environment, and U.S. economic and security interests in any maritime region in which those interests may be at risk, including international waters and America's coasts, ports, and inland waterways.

The Coast Guard provides unique benefits to the nation because of its distinctive blend of military, humanitarian, and civilian law-enforcement capabilities. To serve the public, the Coast Guard has five fundamental roles:

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Maritime Security: Protect America's maritime borders from all intrusions by: (a) halting the flow of illegal drugs, aliens, and contraband into the United States through maritime routes; (b) preventing illegal fishing; and (c) suppressing violations of federal law in the maritime arena.

Maritime Mobility: Facilitate maritime commerce and eliminate interruptions and impediments to the efficient and economical movement of goods and people, while maximizing recreational access to and enjoyment of the water.

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

Protection of Natural Resources: Eliminate environmental damage and the degradation of natural resources associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating.


USCG: Missions


Dealing with the oil disaster certainly fits in with its proper role.

 

[boedicca]

No we don't. We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

Huh?

Do you know what the Mission of the U.S. Coast Guard is?

USCG: Missions

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Maritime Security: Protect America's maritime borders from all intrusions by: (a) halting the flow of illegal drugs, aliens, and contraband into the United States through maritime routes; (b) preventing illegal fishing; and (c) suppressing violations of federal law in the maritime arena.

Maritime Mobility: Facilitate maritime commerce and eliminate interruptions and impediments to the efficient and economical movement of goods and people, while maximizing recreational access to and enjoyment of the water.

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

Protection of Natural Resources: Eliminate environmental damage and the degradation of natural resources associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating.

Note the last mission listed Protection of Natural Resources. That is what they are supposed to be doing.

Immie

No shit, Immie. I assume you know what a budget is, and how it works, so please don't make me spell this all out for you?

Well, the government has collected $1.5B for oil disasters. If there is a budget problem, some of those funds should be allocated to cover the shortfall.

 

[VaYank5150]

Huh?

Do you know what the Mission of the U.S. Coast Guard is?

USCG: Missions





Note the last mission listed Protection of Natural Resources. That is what they are supposed to be doing.

Immie

No shit, Immie. I assume you know what a budget is, and how it works, so please don't make me spell this all out for you?

Well, the government has collected $1.5B for oil disasters. If there is a budget problem, some of those funds should be allocated to cover the shortfall.

Thank you for seeing where I was going with this. And since, we are talking decades before this leak is completely erradicated, shouldn't we at least hold onto this money until we see what the costs are just to stop the damn leak? At earliest, we are looking at August at this point.

 

[Immanuel]

No we don't. We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

Huh?

Do you know what the Mission of the U.S. Coast Guard is?

USCG: Missions

Maritime Safety: Eliminate deaths, injuries, and property damage associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating. The Coast Guard's motto is Semper Paratus—(Always Ready), and the service is always ready to respond to calls for help at sea.

Maritime Security: Protect America's maritime borders from all intrusions by: (a) halting the flow of illegal drugs, aliens, and contraband into the United States through maritime routes; (b) preventing illegal fishing; and (c) suppressing violations of federal law in the maritime arena.

Maritime Mobility: Facilitate maritime commerce and eliminate interruptions and impediments to the efficient and economical movement of goods and people, while maximizing recreational access to and enjoyment of the water.

National Defense: Defend the nation as one of the five U.S. armed services. Enhance regional stability in support of the National Security Strategy, utilizing the Coast Guard’s unique and relevant maritime capabilities.

Protection of Natural Resources: Eliminate environmental damage and the degradation of natural resources associated with maritime transportation, fishing, and recreational boating.

Note the last mission listed Protection of Natural Resources. That is what they are supposed to be doing.

Immie

No shit, Immie. I assume you know what a budget is, and how it works, so please don't make me spell this all out for you?

You said,

We pay taxes on what those Coast Guard cutters are SUPPOSED to be doing.

So, I'm not sure what you are trying to get across. We pay taxes on what those cutters are supposed to be doing and part of their mission is to protect our natural resources. We budget for the protection of those resources, including the gulf, every year when we fund the U.S. Coast Guard.

By your statement, I was only pointing out that this is the mission of the U.S. Coast Guard.

So, I'm not understanding exactly where you are going with this.

Thank you for seeing where I was going with this. And since, we are talking decades before this leak is completely erradicated, shouldn't we at least hold onto this money until we see what the costs are just to stop the damn leak? At earliest, we are looking at August at this point.

I was not talking about the $1.5B at all. Which, by the way, like every other designated tax collected by the U.S. Government does not exist except for on paper. We don't have $1.5B sitting around in some cubbyhole waiting for this kind of thing. The costs are going to have to be added to the budget for God knows how many years into the future. Unfortunately, we probably will increase annual spending but do nothing to compensate for annual tax revenues either. And yes, I realize that would mean higher taxes, something I have never been opposed to when they are raised fairly.

Immie

 

[boedicca]

No shit, Immie. I assume you know what a budget is, and how it works, so please don't make me spell this all out for you?

Well, the government has collected $1.5B for oil disasters. If there is a budget problem, some of those funds should be allocated to cover the shortfall.

Thank you for seeing where I was going with this. And since, we are talking decades before this leak is completely erradicated, shouldn't we at least hold onto this money until we see what the costs are just to stop the damn leak? At earliest, we are looking at August at this point.

Yeah. Let's not spend anything until we see how bad it can get.




This reminds me of a little incident when I was in college. I produced concerts to pay for my education. There was a student group on campus doing a fund raising drive via a concert. Their ticket sales were dismal, and they asked for some help. When my partner and I reviewed their plans and activities, we discovered that they had spent none of their advertising budget. Their rationale was that they were saving it in case they needed to run "cancellation spots". Saving the budget for cancellation spots is a perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

On a larger scale, not spending money to contain the damage now will make the scale of the damage in the future much much worse.

 

[VaYank5150]

Well, the government has collected $1.5B for oil disasters. If there is a budget problem, some of those funds should be allocated to cover the shortfall.

Thank you for seeing where I was going with this. And since, we are talking decades before this leak is completely erradicated, shouldn't we at least hold onto this money until we see what the costs are just to stop the damn leak? At earliest, we are looking at August at this point.

Yeah. Let's not spend anything until we see how bad it can get.




This reminds me of a little incident when I was in college. I produced concerts to pay for my education. There was a student group on campus doing a fund raising drive via a concert. Their ticket sales were dismal, and they asked for some help. When my partner and I reviewed their plans and activities, we discovered that they had spent none of their advertising budget. Their rationale was that they were saving it in case they needed to run "cancellation spots". Saving the budget for cancellation spots is a perfect example of a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

On a larger scale, not spending money to contain the damage now will make the scale of the damage in the future much much worse.

What part of "we are already spending money" do you NOT understand?

 

[boedicca]

What part of where are the booms, dredging, and sand berms to protect the coast and wetlands don't you understand?

The Federal response has been far from adequate.