Joe Wilson's outburst DESERVES CREDIT for exposing sec. 1702 of HR3200!

[oreo]

Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

http://www.desertconservative.com/2009/08/28/hr3200-and-illegal-immigrantsamerica-being-snookered/

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal. This is why Joe Wilson lost it & called Obama a liar.

While the DNC is after Joe Wilson--it's very interesting to note that the senate gang of 6--a bipartisan group immediately added stricker language to section 1702 of HR3200. "After" Joe Wilson's outburst.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ads-senate-dems-close-loophole-health-reform/

 

[edthecynic]

you lie!!!

 

[Modbert]

Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

HR3200 and Illegal Immigrants…America BEING SNOOKERED! at Desert Conservative

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal. This is why Joe Wilson lost it & called Obama a liar.

While the DNC is after Joe Wilson--it's very interesting to note that the senate gang of 6--a bipartisan group immediately added stricker language to section 1702 of HR3200. "After" Joe Wilson's outburst.

Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com

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Blue Dog Reps?

They're still Democrats you dope.

Also, to call the Gang of 6 a bipartisan group is a joke. Two of the Republicans are on the take for the Insurance companies. One of those two straight out says he is trying to block a bill and get everything taken out. Then you have Baucus who is on the Health Care Lobby's payroll ($4 million over the past five years or so.) So that's Three of the Six right there. Then you have Olympia Snowe who is one of the best Republicans left in Congress. Along with the two other Democrats who seem to be a bit wishy washy.

 

[obama2ndterm]

CNN's Joe Johns apparently decided that their viewers didn't need to know just how much money has been raised for Rep. Joe Wilson's opponent for his House seat in 2010 during this segment from AC360. While it is true that Rob Miller raised $200,000 overnight, at the time this segment aired, Miller was already right about at the half million mark, and it's now pushing $700,000 and rising.

If he hits a million in a day or two maybe these guys will be forced to finally report it.

If you'd like to help that happen you can donate to Rob Miller here.

UDATE: It's now over $800,000 and counting and some numbers from Act Blue.

* First post-Wilson contribution came in at 9:31 on 09.09.09
* In the 27 hours following he raised ~675k from ~18k donors
* In 27 hours he eclipsed the 48-hour high water mark for a single candidate (incl. Prez/Sen) on ActBlue
* Nearest apples-to-apples thing is Tinklenberg post-Bachmann. Over that post-Hardball evening and the day after Tinklenberg raised 240k.
* For almost 3 hours yesterday he was raising $1k/minute
* Total 9-09 to 9-10 haul represents $7/second over that period.
* Avg contribution: $36
* Median contribution: $25

UPDATE II: Rob Miller just passed the $1 million mark

 

[oreo]

you lie!!!

I guess you're another one of the Obama sheeple squad that was so stunned by perfectly pronounced speeches--staged lighting & greek columns--that you don't know how to click on links--much less read. Stick your thumb in your mouth--go to bed & enjoy the stupidity--

 

[oreo]

Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

HR3200 and Illegal Immigrants…America BEING SNOOKERED! at Desert Conservative

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal. This is why Joe Wilson lost it & called Obama a liar.

While the DNC is after Joe Wilson--it's very interesting to note that the senate gang of 6--a bipartisan group immediately added stricker language to section 1702 of HR3200. "After" Joe Wilson's outburst.

Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com

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Blue Dog Reps?

They're still Democrats you dope.

Also, to call the Gang of 6 a bipartisan group is a joke. Two of the Republicans are on the take for the Insurance companies. One of those two straight out says he is trying to block a bill and get everything taken out. Then you have Baucus who is on the Health Care Lobby's payroll ($4 million over the past five years or so.) So that's Three of the Six right there. Then you have Olympia Snowe who is one of the best Republicans left in Congress. Along with the two other Democrats who seem to be a bit wishy washy.

The article specifically states "Blue Dog representatives" not republicans---he.he.he--
Now who's the DOPE?---

You liberals must be freakin out over this -- you can't even read--LOL

 

[edthecynic]

Originally Posted by oreo Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

you lie!!!

I guess you're another one of the Obama sheeple squad that was so stunned by perfectly pronounced speeches--staged lighting & greek columns--that you don't know how to click on links--much less read. Stick your thumb in your mouth--go to bed & enjoy the stupidity--

YOU LIE!
You are also PROJECTING.

I did click on your link and observed that there was no pull quote from section 1702 which is an immediate Red Flag to the Cynical mind. So I took the time to READ section 1702 for myself and there is absolutely nothing there that restricts inquires about immigration status.

Prove me wrong and quote the actual "RESTRICTION' words from the bill.

So it is you sheepishly parroting a lie you like without ever verifying it.

 

[LilOlLady]

There is a time and place for everything, and the president's speech to congress was not the place and it was disrespectul and rude and ignorant.
He should be forced to resign. This has never happen before in history of president's speech. Racist raving.
The point was not that he was right. Others felt the same way and is fine in a health care debate but this was not a debate.
He would not have done this to a white president.

 

[paperview]

What the President said was that his reforms did not apply to illegal aliens. He was right.

To wit:

R40773
Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200
August 25, 2009

This report outlines the treatment of noncitizens (aliens) under H.R. 3200, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. In particular, the report analyzes specific provisions in H.R. 3200, and whether there are eligibility requirements for noncitizens in the provisions. Within the bill, noncitizens are treated differently in several provisions. In 2008, there were approximately 37.3 million foreign-born persons in the United States. The foreign-born population was comprised of approximately 15.1 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.2 million noncitizens. H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance, with tax penalties for noncompliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate. fiNonresident alienfl is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance. In addition, under H.R. 3200, a fiHealth Insurance Exchangefl would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers™ plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the ExchangeŠwhether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently. Nonetheless, only aliens who could be classified as resident aliens would be required under the bill to have health insurance. In 2013, under H.R. 3200, some individuals would be eligible for premium credits (i.e., subsidies based on income) toward their required purchase of health insurance.

To be eligible for the premium credits under H.R. 3200, individuals must be lawfully present in a state in the United States, excluding most nonimmigrants (i.e., those in the United States for a specific purpose and a specific period of time). The exceptions for nonimmigrants who could obtain premium credits under H.R. 3200 would be trafficking victims, crime victims, fiancées of U.S. citizens, and those who have had applications for legal permanent residence (LPR) status pending for three years. It is expected that almost all aliens in these excepted nonimmigrant categories will become LPRs (i.e., immigrants) and remain in the United States permanently.

Furthermore, unauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving the premium credit. H.R. 3200 as reported from the House Energy and Commerce Committee (E&C) would extend Medicaid eligibility up to 133 1/3% of poverty for populations that previously were not covered (e.g., childless adults and many parents).

This extension of benefits could mean an increase in the number of noncitizens who already meet the immigration status requirements for Medicaid eligibility who would be eligible for Medicaid. Also, H.R. 3200 as reported by E & C would make eligible for full Medicaid noncitizens who lawfully reside in the United States in accordance with the Compacts of Free Association between the Government of the United States and the Governments of the Federated States of Micronesia, the Republic of the Marshall Islands, and the Republic of Palau, and are otherwise eligible for such assistance. This report will be updated.

Open CRS - CRS Reports for the People

It does NOT state that it applies to ILLEGALS. Not only that, it says it would apply only to those LAWFULLY here.

No, Mr. Wilson -

You Lie!!!

 

[Angelhair]

Yes he does lie. Thank you Mr. Wilson!

 

[JimH52]

The effort should be returned when/if a republican president is in office. It was "CLASSLESS."

 

[SW2SILVER]

Bush said we needed to invade Iraq, because Saddam had weapon of mass destruction. Well, almost everyone believed that. Was he lying? I didn't believe W. He failed to confirm and validate. Thing about Obama? I see ilegals every day, and they get away with all sorts of stuff. From evading immigration law, to identity theft to Welfare fraud to identity theft to pedophilia. I am told, they aren’t doing this stuff. Bush may have been a fool, but Obama is BIGGER fool if he doesn’t think illegals WONT exploit this issue. Validate, and confirm, Obama. He isn’t doing THAT. I don't believe Obama, either.

 

[Intense]

Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

HR3200 and Illegal Immigrants…America BEING SNOOKERED! at Desert Conservative

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal. This is why Joe Wilson lost it & called Obama a liar.

While the DNC is after Joe Wilson--it's very interesting to note that the senate gang of 6--a bipartisan group immediately added stricker language to section 1702 of HR3200. "After" Joe Wilson's outburst.

Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com

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DNC is the new KKK. They get to do all they want when they want, they are hypocrites.
8 Years of their shit and games under Bush, and now, the rules change. Pathetic.

 

[Intense]

Bush said we needed to invade Iraq, because Saddam had weapon of mass destruction. Well, almost everyone believed that. Was he lying? I didn't believe W. He failed to confirm and validate. Thing about Obama? I see ilegals every day, and they get away with all sorts of stuff. From evading immigration law, to identity theft to Welfare fraud to identity theft to pedophilia. I am told, they aren’t doing this stuff. Bush may have been a fool, but Obama is BIGGER fool if he doesn’t think illegals WONT exploit this issue. Validate, and confirm, Obama. He isn’t doing THAT. I don't believe Obama, either.

Bush moved too fast on Iraq, we all thought Saddam had the weapons. Saddam's own scientists were lying to him in fear of their lives. Bush was too gung ho, and did not allow the country time to fully get behind, that cost all of us.

Obama sees himself as the Great Socialist Leader, and is offended by Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution. We are in deep shit now. Nationalization has been done before, to no good end.

 

[Liability]

Americans should be applauding Joe Wilson's outburst. Wilson--did expose section 1702 of HR3200 under expanded Medicade benefits--THAT RESTRICTS INQUIRIES ABOUT IMMIGRATION STATUS.

HR3200 and Illegal Immigrants…America BEING SNOOKERED! at Desert Conservative

Obama chose his words with great care. Section 246 of the bill — dealing solely with insurance subsidies — states: “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

The House bill not only makes a major expansion of Medicaid eligibility but also restricts (in Section 1702) inquiries about immigration status. Efforts to fix this and to add enforcement provisions to HR 3200 were offered in the Ways & Means Committee by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and in the Energy & Commerce Committee by Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), but voted down. No Democrats supported Heller. Blue Dog Representatives Mike Ross (D-Ark.), Jim Matheson (D-Utah), Charles Melancon (D-La.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), and Baron Hill (D-Ind.) voted for the Deal proposal. This is why Joe Wilson lost it & called Obama a liar.

While the DNC is after Joe Wilson--it's very interesting to note that the senate gang of 6--a bipartisan group immediately added stricker language to section 1702 of HR3200. "After" Joe Wilson's outburst.

Rep. Wilson Outburst Leads Senate Dems to Close Loophole in Health Reform Bill - Political News - FOXNews.com

View attachment 8090

Blue Dog Reps?

They're still Democrats you dope.

Also, to call the Gang of 6 a bipartisan group is a joke. Two of the Republicans are on the take for the Insurance companies. One of those two straight out says he is trying to block a bill and get everything taken out. Then you have Baucus who is on the Health Care Lobby's payroll ($4 million over the past five years or so.) So that's Three of the Six right there. Then you have Olympia Snowe who is one of the best Republicans left in Congress. Along with the two other Democrats who seem to be a bit wishy washy.

Blue dog REPRESENTATIVES.

 

[SW2SILVER]

Bush said we needed to invade Iraq, because Saddam had weapon of mass destruction. Well, almost everyone believed that. Was he lying? I didn't believe W. He failed to confirm and validate. Thing about Obama? I see ilegals every day, and they get away with all sorts of stuff. From evading immigration law, to identity theft to Welfare fraud to identity theft to pedophilia. I am told, they aren’t doing this stuff. Bush may have been a fool, but Obama is BIGGER fool if he doesn’t think illegals WONT exploit this issue. Validate, and confirm, Obama. He isn’t doing THAT. I don't believe Obama, either.

Bush moved too fast on Iraq, we all thought Saddam had the weapons. Saddam's own scientists were lying to him in fear of their lives. Bush was too gung ho, and did not allow the country time to fully get behind, that cost all of us.

Obama sees himself as the Great Socialist Leader, and is offended by Capitalism and the Industrial Revolution. We are in deep shit now. Nationalization has been done before, to no good end.

I didn't believe Bush then anymore than I do Obama now, for practically the same reason. I am not an credulous buffoon, and I want PROOF, not just empty words. Validation. That, bucko, is it. I don't care what party either belong to, just the facts. And Obama is falling short. I see what illegals are getting away with, and THAT speaks louder than anything the President can say to allay our fears about Illegal abusing the system. Obama and Bush are totaly without a clue.

 

[rdean]

Does the bill even matter? Anyone, citizen or non-citizen can go to an emergency room.

Unless Republicans are saying that if a parent brings in a sick child, the child will just have to die. Republicans have no problem with that? Could they say that to a parent? Seems like they could.

 

[Liability]

Does the bill even matter? Anyone, citizen or non-citizen can go to an emergency room.

Unless Republicans are saying that if a parent brings in a sick child, the child will just have to die. Republicans have no problem with that? Could they say that to a parent? Seems like they could.

SO if anyone can just go to an ER, then there's no need for this moronic legislation -- in any of its possible forms.

If Senor and Senora Illegal bring their little moppet illegally over our border and the child gets sick here, yes, the child can be brought to the hospital's ER and get treatment. If nobody pays, or if the hospital gets flooded with such matters on a daily basis the hospital may end up being unable to survive as an ongoing business entity. So, for that pipe-dream to "work," somebody is gonna HAVE to be made to pay.

Who?

Well, in all probability, it's gonna be the taxpayers.

1. Hospital goes out of business.
2. Hospital gets too flooded with patients to provide much of any service to any one particular patient due to massive patient volume.
3. Taxpayers assume an ever increasing tax burden to cover folks who shouldn't even be here in the first place.

Which of those options is it you think society ought to embrace?

 

[Intense]

Does the bill even matter? Anyone, citizen or non-citizen can go to an emergency room.

Unless Republicans are saying that if a parent brings in a sick child, the child will just have to die. Republicans have no problem with that? Could they say that to a parent? Seems like they could.

If the child is born here it is a citizen. That said, Border Security is a Primary Function of Government. They have failed miserably. There is no excuse or justification.

We in NYC are flooded with Illegal Immigration. The Health factors alone warrant action. Where do you think the epidemics start?

Health Care Reform is a lie.

 

[SW2SILVER]

Let's don't violate the inner sanctum. Let's observe proper decorum, mate. Joe Wilson should get the Congressional Medal of Honor. Compared to all those really nice, well meaning and invisible illegal Mexican illegal aliens that aren't here or doing all the bad things I DON'T see them doing, no siree Bob! I am being sarcastic. A little. Could you tell? Let's maintain decorum, let's ignore reality. It's the proper thing to do.