Presidential pardon changes

[g5000]

Pardon power is in the Constitution, so any Amendment for pardons is not happening.

There is a push for a Convention of States to convene where amendments can happen

Convention of States

That's very funny. They want to limit what amendments can be considered.

Gee, I wonder if that's because they are afraid a super-majority would repeal the Second Amendment...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Constitutional Pardon specifies "Offenses against the United States." SCOTUS has the authority to define that term.

BS.

 

[g5000]

There will be many more pardons, most of them aimed at drying up investigation leads.

There will be many pardons for January 6 terrorists who sacked the Capitol and wounded police officers.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think SCOTUS should step in and require that pardons be limited to identified offenses against the United States.

Change the Constitution then.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Constitutional Pardon specifies "Offenses against the United States." SCOTUS has the authority to define that term.

Nope. See NetJedi's comments above.

 

[g5000]

The Constitutional Pardon specifies "Offenses against the United States." SCOTUS has the authority to define that term.

No. It means federal offenses so as to distinguish from state-level offenses.

A president cannot pardon someone for a state crime. Like say, creating fake illegal state electors.

 

[Road Runner]

As usual, making shit up.

It's literally what this thread's about you moron.

 

[g5000]

It's literally what this thread's about you moron.

He made shit up about Biden SELLING pardons, you moron.

 

[Road Runner]

He made shit up about Biden SELLING pardons, you moron.

I'm pretty sure that he was speaking figuratively.

 

[NetJedi]

You mean no more pardons like the President Nixon pardon, where "all of Nixon crimes committed in office while serving" were forgiven, without Ford listing the actual federal statutes he broke?

Yeah or like President Biden issuing the same sort of blanket pardon to his own son covering a period of almost 11 years....... At least Nixon was a former President, and he only got a 5 year and 201 day blanket, what's Hunter's excuse?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Who's going to pardon him though?

/——/ No need. His doctors will declare Joe mentally disabled and unfit to face charges.
I think half of his stumbles and fumbles are staged to be used as proof he’s no longer in charge of his facilities.

 

[g5000]

I'm pretty sure that he was speaking figuratively.

I think you would be very surprised at the vast number of delusions JGalt suffers from.

 

[Road Runner]

I think you would be very surprised at the vast number of delusions JGalt suffers from.

Good grief. Get help.

 

[para bellum]

Pardon power is in the Constitution, so any Amendment for pardons is not happening.

There is a push for a Convention of States to convene where amendments can happen

Convention of States

Does anyone think 38 states can agree on a pardon amendment?

I doubt it, but I do not oppose the amendment being offered.

I have long advocated for an Article V Convention. I would NOT restrict it in any way.

If 38 States can agree on something, that's how it should be.

Dems could try to repeal the 2A or make abortion a right, conservatives could offer a balanced budget or term limits, or whatever. Propose the amendments, and see what States can agree on, but set a time limit for ratification of 5 years.

No limits to the amendments proposed. Make it an open convention.

And hold one every 25 years, to allow the States to review the relationship of the Federal Gov't and the States on a regular basis, and make changes as appropriate, subject to the 3/4 majority requirement.

 

[TNHarley]

Schick v. Reed : "The power of clemency flows from the Constitution alone, not from any legislative enactments, and it cannot be modified, abridged, or diminished by the Congress"

thats weird. Neither can our 2nd, and it even explicitly says it. But they let them shit all over that.
They dont mind us losing power, but gawd forbid the three branches fo govt do.

 

[NetJedi]

thats weird. Neither can our 2nd, and it even explicitly says it. But they let them shit all over that.
They dont mind us losing power, but gawd forbid the three branches fo govt do.

That's because our chimps in Washington D.C. LOVE proving Acton right, time after time after time.

"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" -- Lord Acton

 

[kyzr]

That's very funny. They want to limit what amendments can be considered.

Gee, I wonder if that's because they are afraid a super-majority would repeal the Second Amendment...

The "Prime Directive" for most states to agree to the convention is that the 2nd Amendment is off the table, so you either support the proposed Amendments or not.

 

[XponentialChaos]

First. This has nothing to do with Biden's recent pardons. He's well within his Constitutional powers and the timing of his pardons is no different than essentially all past Presidents.

That said I think we need to make at least 1 change and that is to the timing of pardons. We should require that all pardons be submitted and approved prior to the election. Maybe even back it up a week. If a President is going to grant clemency or pardon someone the electorate has a right to know that prior to casting their ballot. If the sitting President is reelected, he is free to then grant pardons post the election but if not or is a lame duck President all pardon applications will be held until the next President is sworn in.

Sounds good to me.

 

[kyzr]

I doubt it, but I do not oppose the amendment being offered.
I have long advocated for an Article V Convention. I would NOT restrict it in any way.
If 38 States can agree on something, that's how it should be.
Dems could try to repeal the 2A or make abortion a right, conservatives could offer a balanced budget or term limits, or whatever. Propose the amendments, and see what States can agree on, but set a time limit for ratification of 5 years.
No limits to the amendments proposed. Make it an open convention.
And hold one every 25 years, to allow the States to review the relationship of the Federal Gov't and the States on a regular basis, and make changes as appropriate, subject to the 3/4 majority requirement.

It is a royal pain to get 34 states to even agree to have the Convention.
Getting 38 to approve a new amendment will be very difficult, which is why the states need to see the list of proposed Amendments first.

 

[Independent thinker]

Pardons are supposed to be one of the checks on power vested in the executive branch so no.

But, didn't you just say that if Trump pardons people it should be approved by others?