Jimmy Carter, oldest ever

[Pogo]

Good for him. He also started some really cool US weapons systems

And he loved the Allman brothers, fishing, hunting and was one of the first solar panel installers in govt ( which that piece of shit Bush 1 had immediately removed)

I believe Reagan did that.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Didn't see this posted anywhere so I picked the most appropriate forum.... as of last Friday 3/22, Jimmy Carter became the oldest ex-POTUS in American history at 94 years 172 days, surpassing George H.W. Bush who passed away in December.

>> "Both President and Mrs. Carter are both determined to use their influence for as long as they can to make the world a better place, and millions of the world's poorest people are grateful for their resolve and heart," [a Carter Center spokeswoman] added, "...we at The Carter Center sure are rooting for him and grateful for his long life of service that has benefited millions of the world's poorest people."

As the winner of a Nobel Peace Prize and three separate Grammys, President Jimmy Carter can now add being the oldest living US president to his long and impressive resume. <<​

He still builds houses with Habitat for Humanity and teaches Sunday school (video at the link)

Carter is the only POTUS since Herbert Hoover, who left office when Carter was 8 years old, who never dropped a bomb, never started a war, never fired a shot, which is in context at least as impressive as the above accomplishments although it should be standard procedure. However according to Carter his greatest accomplishment his 72-year marriage to his wife Rosalyn.

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See. We need to raise the retirement age to 75.

 

[Fueri]

Good for Jimmy. Decent and kind man still running around trying to do some good....

 

[Pogo]

Good for Jimmy. Decent and kind man still running around trying to do some good....

Took until page 2 for somebody to get the point of this thread.

 

[Pogo]

Good for him. He also started some really cool US weapons systems

Did not know that but apparently he was a friend of Elvis...

>> Carter and his wife, Rosalynn, met him on June 30, 1973, before Presley was to perform onstage in Atlanta.[404] They remained in contact by telephone two months before Presley's sudden death in August 1977. Carter later recalled an abrupt phone call received by Presley in June 1977, who sought a presidential pardon from Carter, in order to help George Klein's criminal case; Klein had only been indicted at the time for fraud.[405][406] According to Carter, he was almost incoherent and cited barbiturate abuse as the cause of this; although Presley phoned the White House several times again, this would be the last time Carter would speak to Elvis Presley.[407] << -- Wiki​

Fun fact ---- Jimmy Carter is related, through his mother Bessie Lillian Gordy, to Berry Gordy the founder of Motown Records.

Robert Plant talks about Meeting Elvis

Say Frank if LedZep met Elvis how come they didn't steal his songs too?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Good for him. He also started some really cool US weapons systems

Did not know that but apparently he was a friend of Elvis...

>> Carter and his wife, Rosalynn, met him on June 30, 1973, before Presley was to perform onstage in Atlanta.[404] They remained in contact by telephone two months before Presley's sudden death in August 1977. Carter later recalled an abrupt phone call received by Presley in June 1977, who sought a presidential pardon from Carter, in order to help George Klein's criminal case; Klein had only been indicted at the time for fraud.[405][406] According to Carter, he was almost incoherent and cited barbiturate abuse as the cause of this; although Presley phoned the White House several times again, this would be the last time Carter would speak to Elvis Presley.[407] << -- Wiki​

Fun fact ---- Jimmy Carter is related, through his mother Bessie Lillian Gordy, to Berry Gordy the founder of Motown Records.

Robert Plant talks about Meeting Elvis

Say Frank if LedZep met Elvis how come they didn't steal his songs too?

They never stole anything from anybody. They did play Elvis and John Lee Hooker during the Whole Lotta Love medley section

 

[Pogo]

Good for him. He also started some really cool US weapons systems

Did not know that but apparently he was a friend of Elvis...

>> Carter and his wife, Rosalynn, met him on June 30, 1973, before Presley was to perform onstage in Atlanta.[404] They remained in contact by telephone two months before Presley's sudden death in August 1977. Carter later recalled an abrupt phone call received by Presley in June 1977, who sought a presidential pardon from Carter, in order to help George Klein's criminal case; Klein had only been indicted at the time for fraud.[405][406] According to Carter, he was almost incoherent and cited barbiturate abuse as the cause of this; although Presley phoned the White House several times again, this would be the last time Carter would speak to Elvis Presley.[407] << -- Wiki​

Fun fact ---- Jimmy Carter is related, through his mother Bessie Lillian Gordy, to Berry Gordy the founder of Motown Records.

Robert Plant talks about Meeting Elvis

Say Frank if LedZep met Elvis how come they didn't steal his songs too?

They never stole anything from anybody. They did play Elvis and John Lee Hooker during the Whole Lotta Love medley section

Whoa, that's a whole lotta 'nother thread, and a very long one. Let's do that somewhere else, for the evidence is heavy as led. Anne Bredon, Jake Holmes, Willie Dixon and Bert Jansch will join us there. But at least, far as I know, they didn't steal anything from Marisa Monte.

Meanwhile...

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[konradv]

Maybe he didn't fire a shot but he started the bullshit precedent of selling weapons to terrorists.

Iran-contra was on Reagan's watch, not Carter.

 

[Likkmee]

Good for him. He also started some really cool US weapons systems

And he loved the Allman brothers, fishing, hunting and was one of the first solar panel installers in govt ( which that piece of shit Bush 1 had immediately removed)

I believe Reagan did that.

That was probably right.....another asshole with a hat

 

[TNHarley]

Maybe he didn't fire a shot but he started the bullshit precedent of selling weapons to terrorists.

Iran-contra was on Reagan's watch, not Carter.

Operation cyclone started in 78 or 79.

 

[Likkmee]

Maybe he didn't fire a shot but he started the bullshit precedent of selling weapons to terrorists.

Iran-contra was on Reagan's watch, not Carter.

Operation cyclone started in 78 or 79.

Part of the 6-8 year period when the US wasn't openly The Great Satan....but the ones in the know knew it was fantasy.....gas shortages, changing the entire military drones to " desert camos" on an on.

 

[Pogo]

Maybe he didn't fire a shot but he started the bullshit precedent of selling weapons to terrorists.

Iran-contra was on Reagan's watch, not Carter.

Operation cyclone started in 78 or 79.

Part of the 6-8 year period when the US wasn't openly The Great Satan....but the ones in the know knew it was fantasy.....gas shortages, changing the entire military drones to " desert camos" on an on.

There we have two POTUSes who did their country well in their last week in office --- Carter got hostages freed, Eisenhower warned us of the military-industrial (he wanted to call it "military-industrial-Congressional) complex.

Both fell on deaf ears.

Perhaps some revisionist will saunter back in to tell us this video was actually JFK in disguise, because that's what he "remembers".

 

[toobfreak]

False. Carter got the hostages freed before he left office. He was said to be obsessed with getting it done. Immediately after Reagan's inauguration where Carter's presidency transferred to Reagan, Carter flew to Germany to greet the hostages on their first touchdown to freedom on the first leg of their journey. The flight would have taken place the previous day but Iran and Iraq were at war and nothing was permitted to fly out of Tehran airport in the dark.

If you still prefer to cling to your myth, see "Algiers Accords". Warren Christopher was assigned the task of getting it done, and he did.

Oh and speaking of mythmaking, it was fifty-two hostages, not "500". Perhaps that sells in your limited cranium; doesn't sell here.

False my ass, you lying jackass. They can rewrite history all they want on the internet but I lived through the event and remember it like it was yesterday.

Once AGAIN....

>> The Algeria Declaration was a set of agreements between the United States and Iran to resolve the Iran hostage crisis, brokered by the Algerian government and signed in Algiers on January 19, 1981.[1] The crisis arose from the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and the taking hostage of the American staff there. By this accord the 52 American citizens were set free and able to leave Iran. --- Wikipedia, the free repository of what the rest of us call "Reality" while snowflaked losers desperately try to rewrite history​

• 10 November [1980] – 8 January 1981: U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher's delegation negotiates alongside the Algerian government with a representative from the Iranian government on terms to free the hostages.---- Timeline, from Wikipedia the alternate universe where Reality reigns and fantasies remain fantasy

I'm afraid what you "remember" is Duh Liburrul Media portraying Reagan swearing in at the same time the hostages were freed after months of diplomatic work, implying he had something to do with it while playing down all the work Carter and Christopher did to get it done. Again ---- without firing a shot. Then again you also "remember" ten times the number of hostages so ----------- there's that.

DARN that liburrul media anyway.

Some POTUSes spend their last day in office shooting a slew of pardons out like a baseball game hot dog launcher.
Carter spent his bringing 52 Americans home. There ain't nuttin' you can do about that.

Sorry, but no, laddie. The one thing that got those hostages freed was the fact that Jimmy Cater was LEAVING and that Ronny Reagan was coming in. Carter was a problem collector, hostages, oil and gas crisis, etc., Ronny was a problem eliminator, the airport traffic controllers, USSR, hostages, Berlin wall, you name it, ol' Ron took care of it.

Jimmy was best for pardoning draft dodgers, opposing the B1 bomber, hurting the coal workers, his crisis of confidence, cabinet members dropping like flies, creating the DOE, inflation, recession, and record low approval. The voters chucked his ass for Reagan and the rest his history---- we went from one of the worst ever to one of the best ever presidents. Took a Republican like Reagan to turn the nation and the world back around from the inept peanut bungling of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was a nice guy that was way in over his head. To this day I remember his deer in the headlights addresses to the nation!

 

[harmonica]

he was a shithead and screwed up the Hostage Crisis = loser
.......so you are saying FDR was a bad POTUS because we dropped bombs on Germany and Japan????!!!!

 

[harmonica]

.....he didn't want to use the military for the Hostage Crisis---then when he did, it was a STUPID plan
...he should've geared up the B52s......Iran committed an ACT OF WAR

 

[Pogo]

False. Carter got the hostages freed before he left office. He was said to be obsessed with getting it done. Immediately after Reagan's inauguration where Carter's presidency transferred to Reagan, Carter flew to Germany to greet the hostages on their first touchdown to freedom on the first leg of their journey. The flight would have taken place the previous day but Iran and Iraq were at war and nothing was permitted to fly out of Tehran airport in the dark.

If you still prefer to cling to your myth, see "Algiers Accords". Warren Christopher was assigned the task of getting it done, and he did.

Oh and speaking of mythmaking, it was fifty-two hostages, not "500". Perhaps that sells in your limited cranium; doesn't sell here.

False my ass, you lying jackass. They can rewrite history all they want on the internet but I lived through the event and remember it like it was yesterday.

Once AGAIN....

>> The Algeria Declaration was a set of agreements between the United States and Iran to resolve the Iran hostage crisis, brokered by the Algerian government and signed in Algiers on January 19, 1981.[1] The crisis arose from the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and the taking hostage of the American staff there. By this accord the 52 American citizens were set free and able to leave Iran. --- Wikipedia, the free repository of what the rest of us call "Reality" while snowflaked losers desperately try to rewrite history​

• 10 November [1980] – 8 January 1981: U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher's delegation negotiates alongside the Algerian government with a representative from the Iranian government on terms to free the hostages.---- Timeline, from Wikipedia the alternate universe where Reality reigns and fantasies remain fantasy

I'm afraid what you "remember" is Duh Liburrul Media portraying Reagan swearing in at the same time the hostages were freed after months of diplomatic work, implying he had something to do with it while playing down all the work Carter and Christopher did to get it done. Again ---- without firing a shot. Then again you also "remember" ten times the number of hostages so ----------- there's that.

DARN that liburrul media anyway.

Some POTUSes spend their last day in office shooting a slew of pardons out like a baseball game hot dog launcher.
Carter spent his bringing 52 Americans home. There ain't nuttin' you can do about that.

Sorry, but no, laddie. The one thing that got those hostages freed was the fact that Jimmy Cater was LEAVING and that Ronny Reagan was coming in. Carter was a problem collector, hostages, oil and gas crisis, etc., Ronny was a problem eliminator, the airport traffic controllers, USSR, hostages, Berlin wall, you name it, ol' Ron took care of it.

Jimmy was best for pardoning draft dodgers, opposing the B1 bomber, hurting the coal workers, his crisis of confidence, cabinet members dropping like flies, creating the DOE, inflation, recession, and record low approval. The voters chucked his ass for Reagan and the rest his history---- we went from one of the worst ever to one of the best ever presidents. Took a Republican like Reagan to turn the nation and the world back around from the inept peanut bungling of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was a nice guy that was way in over his head. To this day I remember his deer in the headlights addresses to the nation!

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

Here, finally, is the answer. "Me? Why I dispute facts by claiming to know what was in the minds of people I've never met in places I haven't visited by taking a flight that didn't exist to sit in on negotiations I wasn't part of in a hotel that hadn't yet been built. You know that "October Surprise" where Bush flew to Paris to undermine negotiations? That wasn't Bush, that was me. And I guarantee, I speak for them and their intentions. History? Schmistory. You gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?"

Denialists will contort themselves into pretzels rather than admit they were the W word.

 

[Pogo]

.....he didn't want to use the military for the Hostage Crisis---then when he did, it was a STUPID plan
...he should've geared up the B52s......Iran committed an ACT OF WAR

Perhaps they did. The point in this instance is ---------- WE DIDN'T.

And you know what that means? It means they failed and we won.

If that's too "Christian" for ya, go to hell.

 

[toobfreak]

False. Carter got the hostages freed before he left office. He was said to be obsessed with getting it done. Immediately after Reagan's inauguration where Carter's presidency transferred to Reagan, Carter flew to Germany to greet the hostages on their first touchdown to freedom on the first leg of their journey. The flight would have taken place the previous day but Iran and Iraq were at war and nothing was permitted to fly out of Tehran airport in the dark.

If you still prefer to cling to your myth, see "Algiers Accords". Warren Christopher was assigned the task of getting it done, and he did.

Oh and speaking of mythmaking, it was fifty-two hostages, not "500". Perhaps that sells in your limited cranium; doesn't sell here.

False my ass, you lying jackass. They can rewrite history all they want on the internet but I lived through the event and remember it like it was yesterday.

Once AGAIN....

>> The Algeria Declaration was a set of agreements between the United States and Iran to resolve the Iran hostage crisis, brokered by the Algerian government and signed in Algiers on January 19, 1981.[1] The crisis arose from the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and the taking hostage of the American staff there. By this accord the 52 American citizens were set free and able to leave Iran. --- Wikipedia, the free repository of what the rest of us call "Reality" while snowflaked losers desperately try to rewrite history​

• 10 November [1980] – 8 January 1981: U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher's delegation negotiates alongside the Algerian government with a representative from the Iranian government on terms to free the hostages.---- Timeline, from Wikipedia the alternate universe where Reality reigns and fantasies remain fantasy

I'm afraid what you "remember" is Duh Liburrul Media portraying Reagan swearing in at the same time the hostages were freed after months of diplomatic work, implying he had something to do with it while playing down all the work Carter and Christopher did to get it done. Again ---- without firing a shot. Then again you also "remember" ten times the number of hostages so ----------- there's that.

DARN that liburrul media anyway.

Some POTUSes spend their last day in office shooting a slew of pardons out like a baseball game hot dog launcher.
Carter spent his bringing 52 Americans home. There ain't nuttin' you can do about that.

Sorry, but no, laddie. The one thing that got those hostages freed was the fact that Jimmy Cater was LEAVING and that Ronny Reagan was coming in. Carter was a problem collector, hostages, oil and gas crisis, etc., Ronny was a problem eliminator, the airport traffic controllers, USSR, hostages, Berlin wall, you name it, ol' Ron took care of it.

Jimmy was best for pardoning draft dodgers, opposing the B1 bomber, hurting the coal workers, his crisis of confidence, cabinet members dropping like flies, creating the DOE, inflation, recession, and record low approval. The voters chucked his ass for Reagan and the rest his history---- we went from one of the worst ever to one of the best ever presidents. Took a Republican like Reagan to turn the nation and the world back around from the inept peanut bungling of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was a nice guy that was way in over his head. To this day I remember his deer in the headlights addresses to the nation!

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

Here, finally, is the answer. "Me? Why I dispute facts by claiming to know what was in the minds of people I've never met in places I haven't visited by taking a flight that didn't exist to sit in on negotiations I wasn't part of in a hotel that hadn't yet been built. You know that "October Surprise" where Bush flew to Paris to undermine negotiations? That wasn't Bush, that was me. And I guarantee, I speak for them and their intentions. History? Schmistory. You gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?"

Denialists will contort themselves into pretzels rather than admit they were the W word.

But! But! You're the fella that never changes your opinion on anything! Carter will be gone before years end, then you won't have to defend him anymore as one of the worst presidents ever.

 

[Pogo]

False. Carter got the hostages freed before he left office. He was said to be obsessed with getting it done. Immediately after Reagan's inauguration where Carter's presidency transferred to Reagan, Carter flew to Germany to greet the hostages on their first touchdown to freedom on the first leg of their journey. The flight would have taken place the previous day but Iran and Iraq were at war and nothing was permitted to fly out of Tehran airport in the dark.

If you still prefer to cling to your myth, see "Algiers Accords". Warren Christopher was assigned the task of getting it done, and he did.

Oh and speaking of mythmaking, it was fifty-two hostages, not "500". Perhaps that sells in your limited cranium; doesn't sell here.

False my ass, you lying jackass. They can rewrite history all they want on the internet but I lived through the event and remember it like it was yesterday.

Once AGAIN....

>> The Algeria Declaration was a set of agreements between the United States and Iran to resolve the Iran hostage crisis, brokered by the Algerian government and signed in Algiers on January 19, 1981.[1] The crisis arose from the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and the taking hostage of the American staff there. By this accord the 52 American citizens were set free and able to leave Iran. --- Wikipedia, the free repository of what the rest of us call "Reality" while snowflaked losers desperately try to rewrite history​

• 10 November [1980] – 8 January 1981: U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher's delegation negotiates alongside the Algerian government with a representative from the Iranian government on terms to free the hostages.---- Timeline, from Wikipedia the alternate universe where Reality reigns and fantasies remain fantasy

I'm afraid what you "remember" is Duh Liburrul Media portraying Reagan swearing in at the same time the hostages were freed after months of diplomatic work, implying he had something to do with it while playing down all the work Carter and Christopher did to get it done. Again ---- without firing a shot. Then again you also "remember" ten times the number of hostages so ----------- there's that.

DARN that liburrul media anyway.

Some POTUSes spend their last day in office shooting a slew of pardons out like a baseball game hot dog launcher.
Carter spent his bringing 52 Americans home. There ain't nuttin' you can do about that.

Sorry, but no, laddie. The one thing that got those hostages freed was the fact that Jimmy Cater was LEAVING and that Ronny Reagan was coming in. Carter was a problem collector, hostages, oil and gas crisis, etc., Ronny was a problem eliminator, the airport traffic controllers, USSR, hostages, Berlin wall, you name it, ol' Ron took care of it.

Jimmy was best for pardoning draft dodgers, opposing the B1 bomber, hurting the coal workers, his crisis of confidence, cabinet members dropping like flies, creating the DOE, inflation, recession, and record low approval. The voters chucked his ass for Reagan and the rest his history---- we went from one of the worst ever to one of the best ever presidents. Took a Republican like Reagan to turn the nation and the world back around from the inept peanut bungling of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was a nice guy that was way in over his head. To this day I remember his deer in the headlights addresses to the nation!

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

Here, finally, is the answer. "Me? Why I dispute facts by claiming to know what was in the minds of people I've never met in places I haven't visited by taking a flight that didn't exist to sit in on negotiations I wasn't part of in a hotel that hadn't yet been built. You know that "October Surprise" where Bush flew to Paris to undermine negotiations? That wasn't Bush, that was me. And I guarantee, I speak for them and their intentions. History? Schmistory. You gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?"

Denialists will contort themselves into pretzels rather than admit they were the W word.

But! But! You're the fella that never changes your opinion on anything! Carter will be gone before years end, then you won't have to defend him anymore as one of the worst presidents ever.

No I don't think so. I put Carter on my list of the Not-Dead Pool this year, those over 90 who will still be exhaling CO2 at year's end. I'm standing on that.

Anyway the Algiers Accords are not a matter of opinion. They're historical fact. Any of us can hold contrary opinions; none of us can hold contrary "facts". Facts are like sperm cells --- once one is established, alt-facts are shut out. It has to work that way, else we would have multi-dimensions going on and you'd end up with alternate universe Beatle albums.

 

[toobfreak]

False my ass, you lying jackass. They can rewrite history all they want on the internet but I lived through the event and remember it like it was yesterday.

Once AGAIN....

>> The Algeria Declaration was a set of agreements between the United States and Iran to resolve the Iran hostage crisis, brokered by the Algerian government and signed in Algiers on January 19, 1981.[1] The crisis arose from the takeover of the American embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, and the taking hostage of the American staff there. By this accord the 52 American citizens were set free and able to leave Iran. --- Wikipedia, the free repository of what the rest of us call "Reality" while snowflaked losers desperately try to rewrite history​

• 10 November [1980] – 8 January 1981: U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Warren Christopher's delegation negotiates alongside the Algerian government with a representative from the Iranian government on terms to free the hostages.---- Timeline, from Wikipedia the alternate universe where Reality reigns and fantasies remain fantasy

I'm afraid what you "remember" is Duh Liburrul Media portraying Reagan swearing in at the same time the hostages were freed after months of diplomatic work, implying he had something to do with it while playing down all the work Carter and Christopher did to get it done. Again ---- without firing a shot. Then again you also "remember" ten times the number of hostages so ----------- there's that.

DARN that liburrul media anyway.

Some POTUSes spend their last day in office shooting a slew of pardons out like a baseball game hot dog launcher.
Carter spent his bringing 52 Americans home. There ain't nuttin' you can do about that.

Sorry, but no, laddie. The one thing that got those hostages freed was the fact that Jimmy Cater was LEAVING and that Ronny Reagan was coming in. Carter was a problem collector, hostages, oil and gas crisis, etc., Ronny was a problem eliminator, the airport traffic controllers, USSR, hostages, Berlin wall, you name it, ol' Ron took care of it.

Jimmy was best for pardoning draft dodgers, opposing the B1 bomber, hurting the coal workers, his crisis of confidence, cabinet members dropping like flies, creating the DOE, inflation, recession, and record low approval. The voters chucked his ass for Reagan and the rest his history---- we went from one of the worst ever to one of the best ever presidents. Took a Republican like Reagan to turn the nation and the world back around from the inept peanut bungling of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was a nice guy that was way in over his head. To this day I remember his deer in the headlights addresses to the nation!

"When the known facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?"

Here, finally, is the answer. "Me? Why I dispute facts by claiming to know what was in the minds of people I've never met in places I haven't visited by taking a flight that didn't exist to sit in on negotiations I wasn't part of in a hotel that hadn't yet been built. You know that "October Surprise" where Bush flew to Paris to undermine negotiations? That wasn't Bush, that was me. And I guarantee, I speak for them and their intentions. History? Schmistory. You gonna believe me or your lyin' eyes?"

Denialists will contort themselves into pretzels rather than admit they were the W word.

But! But! You're the fella that never changes your opinion on anything! Carter will be gone before years end, then you won't have to defend him anymore as one of the worst presidents ever.

No I don't think so. I put Carter on my list of the Not-Dead Pool this year, those over 90 who will still be exhaling CO2 at year's end. I'm standing on that.

You just killed poor Jimmy for sure.