Jim DeMint says health care will be Obama's Waterloo.

[Political Junky]

AUDIO Of Jim DeMint Saying Health Care Will Be Obama’s “Waterloo” | The Plum Line

The audio adds a harsh overtone, even stridency, to the quote, and as such, it’s likely to find its way into ads pummeling Republicans as obstructionist:

DeMint said:

“If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

Obama himself just responded to DeMint, saying the following:

“This isn’t about me. This isn’t about politics. This about a health care system that is breaking America’s families, breaking America’s businesses and breaking America’s economy. And we can’t afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care. Not this time, not now. There are too many lives and livelihoods at stake.”

You’d think maybe DeMint’s quote could end up being a Waterloo of sorts, wouldn’t you?

 

[WillowTree]

It's all about obamalama, if it weren't he'd be willing to take his time and get this right instead of braying out a false sense of impending doom if it's not done by "break time." jackazz. it is a monumental sweeping reform that's going to cost trillions, get it right or get off the playing field. go Jim DeMint!

 

[Xenophon]

Dems have a super majority in the senate, obama's whining is just an attempt at distraction, the 'republicans' can block nothing.

 

[midcan5]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

 

[WillowTree]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

 

[pete]

How many people opt out of health care at work though its offered? Why should we have to pick up the bill as well?

 

[EriktheRed]

I'm guessing they think they can re-create 1993-94. I wonder if DeMint's words will be widely reported in our so-called liberal media.


Prez Obama's response is already on YouTube:


YouTube - President Obama Responds to DeMint's Threats To Kill Health Reform And Break Him

 

[pete]

How about we get spiraling tax increases and spending under control and get America back to work ... thats whats destroying our country. The asshole has 3 more years in office whats the rush we already saw a rushed stimulus that was a waste now lets compound it with health care thats free to mostly the undeserving!!
Hes a fucking clown!

 

[jillian]

Has DeMint ever been close to correct about anything?

just another wacko ...

 

[Skull Pilot]

The government health plan will dismantle things that already work and the people are happy with.

Obama health plan would repeal Erisa - WSJ.com

One by one, President Obama’s health-care promises are being exposed by the details of the actual legislation: Costs will explode, not fall; taxes will have to soar to pay for it; and now we are learning that you won’t be able to “keep your health-care plan” either.

The reality is that the House health bill, which the Administration praised to the rafters, will force drastic changes in almost all insurance coverage, including the employer plans that currently work best. About 177 million people—or 62% of those under age 65—get insurance today through their jobs, and while rising costs are a problem, according to every survey most employees are happy with the coverage. A major reason for this relative success is a 1974 federal law known by the acronym Erisa, or the Employee Retirement Income Security Act.

Erisa allows employers that self-insure—that is, those large enough to build their own risk pools and pay benefits directly—to offer uniform plans across state lines. This lets thousands of businesses avoid, for the most part, the costly federal and state regulations on covered treatments, pricing, rate setting and so on. It also gives them flexibility to design insurance to recruit and retain workers in a competitive labor market. Roughly 75% of employer-based coverage is governed by Erisa’s “freedom of purchase” rules.

Goodbye to all that. The House bill says that after a five-year grace period all Erisa insurance offerings will have to win government approval—both by the Department of Labor and a new “health choices commissioner” who will set federal standards for what is an acceptable health plan. This commissar—er, commissioner—can fine employers that don’t comply and even has “suspension of enrollment” powers for plans that he or she has vetoed, until “satisfied that the basis for such determination has been corrected and is not likely to recur.”

In other words, the insurance coverage of 132 million people—the product of enormously complex business and health-care decisions—will now be subject to bureaucratic nanomanagement. If employers don’t meet some still-to-be-defined minimum package, they’ll have to renegotiate thousands of contracts nationwide to Washington’s specifications. The political incentives will of course demand an ever-more generous “minimum” benefit and less cost-sharing, much as many states have driven up prices in the individual insurance market with mandates. Erisa’s pluralistic structure will gradually constrict toward a single national standard.

Yet a computer programming firm, say, and a grocery store chain have very different insurance needs, and in any case may not be able to afford the same kind and level of benefits. Innovation in insurance products will also be subject to political tampering. Likely casualties include the wellness initiatives that give workers financial incentives to take more responsibility for their own health, such as Safeway’s. Some politicians will claim that’s unfair. High-deductible plans with health savings accounts are also out of political favor, therefore certain to go overboard. If you have one of those and like it, too bad.

The new Erisa regime will be especially difficult to meet for businesses that operate with very slim profit margins or have large numbers of part-time or seasonal workers. They may simply “cash out” and surrender 8% of their payroll under the employer-mandate tax. A new analysis by the Lewin Group, prepared for the Heritage Foundation, finds that some 88.1 million people will be shifted out of private employer health insurance under the House bill. If those people preferred their prior plan, well, too bad again.

The largest employers—though not all—may clear the minimum bar, at least at first. But in addition to the “health choices” administrative burden, the cost of labor will rise because the House guts another key section of Erisa. Currently, lawsuits about employee benefits are barred under the law, allowing large employers to avoid the state tort lotteries in disputes over coverage. No longer. As a gratuity to the trial bar, Democrats will now subject businesses to these liabilities in the name of health “reform.”

So when Mr. Obama says that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what,” he’s wrong. Period. What he’s not telling the American people is that the government will so dramatically change the rules of the insurance market that employers will find it impossible to maintain their current coverage, and many will drop it altogether. The more we inspect the House bill, the more it looks to be one of the worst pieces of legislation ever introduced in Congress.

I would like to correct the author on one point

So when Mr. Obama says that “If you like your health-care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health-care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what,” he’s LYING. Period.

fixed.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I for one do not have health insurance. I am 47 years old and in excellent health, I get a check up twice a year and a cardio vascular check-up once a year. If it should happen that I'm incapacitated, I will pay for my medical expenses with cash. So Obama can take his healthcare plan and stickit up his ass!! And I believe only a fool or an idiot would believe anything that Obama says.

 

[Bfgrn]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Were you asking all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war?

 

[Skull Pilot]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Were you asking all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war?

You do realize that a lot of us opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts but had them rammed down our throats by Dimocrats AND Repudlicans alike

Now we are getting another trillion dollar bill rammed down our throats or up our asses whichever visual you think best describes what our esteemed "representatives" are doing to us yet again.

 

[WillowTree]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Were you asking all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war?

nice dodge,, but the question is about obama's waterloo,, not President Bush's. So how do you intend to pay for health care?

 

[Xenophon]

nice dodge,, but the question is about obama's waterloo,, not President Bush's. So how do you intend to pay for health care?

Apparently by complaining about the last administration.

 

[Skull Pilot]

nice dodge,, but the question is about obama's waterloo,, not President Bush's. So how do you intend to pay for health care?

Apparently by complaining about the last administration.

 

[Bfgrn]

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Were you asking all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war?

nice dodge,, but the question is about obama's waterloo,, not President Bush's. So how do you intend to pay for health care?

So, you didn't ask all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war...THAT is different...

"the question is about obama's waterloo"...OK, it will be a "Waterloo" BUT, the Napoleon in this battle will be the UN American Republicans... they are single handedly creating a Democratic majority for decades...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Were you asking all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war?

nice dodge,, but the question is about obama's waterloo,, not President Bush's. So how do you intend to pay for health care?

So, you didn't ask all these questions on how we'd pay for a 3 trillion dollar war...THAT is different...

"the question is about obama's waterloo"...OK, it will be a "Waterloo" BUT, the Napoleon in this battle will be the UN American Republicans... they are single handedly creating a Democratic majority for decades...

Funny how Congress never asked that question either.

in fact Congress is still not asking that question during the current spending spree. but hell they don't even read the bills they vote for so why the hell should they bother to ask any questions?

 

[Old Rocks]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Everybody pays Social Security and Medicare. A real Health Care System should be supported in the same mannner.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So America can't do healthcare? Rather sad, moon we can do, good stuff for our citizens, no can do!

ya gotta pay for it. how ya gonna pay for it??? 50% pay federal taxes, 50% don't that's not enough! over tax and you lose your tax base.. so..... how ya gonna pay for it?

Everybody pays Social Security and Medicare. A real Health Care System should be supported in the same mannner.

Cool so you're in favor of raising taxes on EVERYONE.