Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[P F Tinmore]

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Deflection. That is not the point.

 

[montelatici]

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Sure, there are plenty. The Europeans behaved like colonial European usually behaved.. Usually they were the first to kill and that was the case in Palestine.

" a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

"This is the first time we see how they describe things from their point of view, "Ben Bassat says." It's not a matter of being for or against Zionism – it simply shows how complex this meeting was, and that can't be learned anywhere else."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

 

[Phoenall]

Are you finally understanding the Fact that me and you don't agree at all.............We are completely opposite on this issue and there isn't going to caving to your BS from my side..............

As long as Hamas continues to attack Israel then this will continue................and Israel can back it up on the battlefield anytime they please................

Stop firing at Israel...........recognize their countries right to exist............or get pounded by the IDF from time to time..............Which has been going on for 7 decades.

Well, Beagle nothing please me more than to know that I'm on the "completely opposite side" from you......

No doubt, Israel is the big bully of that region....they have the military prowess, help with their financing of war material from the US taxpayers.....an ever growing desire to take more and more land from Palestinians.....

Will this make Israel live in peace??? Certainly not
Will this keep the war-mongering Netanyahu in power? Probably
Will this keep Iran from getting a nuke? Surely not.....

So, both sides will keep having children to be used for war fodder.

A pity then that US records show they GIVE more to the Palestinians than they LEND the Jews isn't it.

As for taking Palestinian land, it was never Palestinian land in the fist place, it was Jewish right from 1923 when the LoN said it was.


Will this make the arab muslims live in peace NEVER

Will this keep hamas attacking

Linkiloo, notice how the scumbag focuses purely on Israel, demanding that Israel become secular, granting absolute democratic rights to all - but not a ******* peep on any of the 22 arab countries doing the same. Hypocritical dogshit masquerading as a poster.

I'll say it one more time, this forum is about Israel and Palestine and the conflict. that's why I post about it here. Seemples.

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

They created the cancer that is Israel.

Did they really, and when did this monumental fantasy take place. The LoN created Israel and the Jews fulfilled the terms

 

[toastman]

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Sure, there are plenty. The Europeans behaved like colonial European usually behaved.. Usually they were the first to kill and that was the case in Palestine.

" a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

"This is the first time we see how they describe things from their point of view, "Ben Bassat says." It's not a matter of being for or against Zionism – it simply shows how complex this meeting was, and that can't be learned anywhere else."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

Where's the date ??

 

[Phoenall]

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Subjugate another ethnic group...................

The Muslim World doesn't have a Moral leg to stand on in that regards............

The Ottomans slaughtered Millions at the end of the 19th Century and up til and after WWI............They created Concentration Camps in what they called the ottoman Caliphate............performed the Armenian Genocide and the Greek Genocide........long before the Genocide performed by Hitler..................

In that region before this occurred, and only ended after they were defeated, there were around 5 million ETHNIC MINORITIES called the CHRISTIANS and the Jews........................When they were done with their Extermination process only about 250,000 were left.....................

Why was the area in question underpopulated after WWI...........because millions had been slaughtered and the rest died in WWI in Heavy fighting between the Turks and Britain, France, Austrailia, etc..............Bloody fights including a fight for Gaza that lasted 9 months..................

Spare me the BS that it is the Jews who have the Ethnic, aka RACIST PROBLEM............

Do they charge a tax to non believers in their country..............

Do they oppress Religious Freedom there...................like in the Muslim World who if they just celebrate Easter they are possibly going to get slaughtered.............

Again, NO MORAL LEG TO STAND ON.

Perhaps, but the Palestinans do. They are the victims of Zionist colonisation in an era that is supposed to reject imperialism and colonialism and allow for the self-determination of peoples. The Palestinian people were denied their right to self determination by those imperialist colonial powers. So trying to conflate the Palestinian conflict with Zionist colonialism is at best, disingenuous.

Read the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE and see what was given to the non Jews. The Palestinians of 1923 had their righjt to self determination enhanced by International law of 1923.

 

[toastman]

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Deflection. That is not the point.

What ?? How is that a deflection?? It was a direct response to your post.

You said: "Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)"'

So you're claiming that it was NOT the Arabs who fired the first shot. Can you prove that?

 

[Phoenall]

An obvious dodge. I can always tell a real leftist from an anti-semite. The real leftist will equally condemn all human rights breaches the world over without singling out the jewish state. The honest critic will put suffering in context. He will see how the average palestinian is an instrument in a much bigger conflict, how he has been betrayed by his leaders and his neighbours (all of them). But an honest liberal will see that he is living longer than his berethen in neighbouring countries and that his freedoms are seriously curtailed but that the conflict has created this reality and this suffering for Jews too.

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Islamonazi propaganda as Isreal has colonised nowhere it doesn't have a legal right to colonise. You forget that from 635C.E. the arab muslims have subjugated the Jews and Christians in the M.E. and all the blood spilt has been as a direct result of arab muslim attempted world domination. Now we have a strong Jewish presence in the M.E. the cancer of islam has been stopped from spreading.

There is no legal right to colonise. The presense of the Zionist Paradise in the M.E. means that more Muslims are coming to Europe and America, fatal flaw in your logic there.

I wondered when the neo Marxists would blame their own stupidity on the Jews. It was the lax immigration Laws that enabled more muslims to come to Europe and America under neo Marxist rule.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel halts weapons shipment from Iran - BBC News

Israel says it has seized a ship carrying advanced Iranian weapons made in Syria that was heading towards Gaza.

The Panamanian-flagged vessel was boarded by Israeli naval commandos in the Red Sea off the coast of Sudan, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said.

They found M-302 surface-to-surface missiles that were flown to Iran before being loaded onto the ship, it added.

Hamas, the militant Palestinian Islamist movement that governs Gaza, strenuously denied any involvement.

It accused Israel of concocting a story to "justify the blockade" of the coastal territory.

Israel tightly controls its border with Gaza, restricting what is allowed in for what it says are reasons crucial to its security. It also maintains a naval blockade. Egypt blockades Gaza's southern border.

Critics say the blockade is tantamount to collective punishment.

The important bit to note here is the phrase "Israel says"...pass me the salt, I need to take a pinch.

Is that the same as the few links you give that say "from a Palestinian source "

 

[Phoenall]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

The arab muslims every time, and then whinge when they get owned

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Sure, there are plenty. The Europeans behaved like colonial European usually behaved.. Usually they were the first to kill and that was the case in Palestine.

" a new document referring to the Zarnuka incident was discovered recently by researcher Yuval Ben Bassat, in the Istanbul Archives, a petition written to Sultan Mehmet V by heads of families in the area.

The petitioners present themselves as, "We, the residents of villages neighboring with the Jewish colonies of Daran [Rehovot] and Lun Kara (Rishon Leztion)," and complain that the Jews "wanted to strip the camel owner of their clothes, money and camels, but these men refused to give their camels and escaped from Lun Kara with their camels, protecting each other [to seek refuge with] men of the law… The above mentioned Jews attacked our villages, robbed and looted our property, killed and even damaged the family honor, all this in a manner we find hard to put in words."

"This is the first time we see how they describe things from their point of view, "Ben Bassat says." It's not a matter of being for or against Zionism – it simply shows how complex this meeting was, and that can't be learned anywhere else."

New documents reveal early Palestinian attitudes toward Zionist settlements - Israel News Haaretz

When was Zionism invented again ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Deflection. That is not the point.

What ?? How is that a deflection?? It was a direct response to your post.

You said: "Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)"'

So you're claiming that it was NOT the Arabs who fired the first shot. Can you prove that?

Israel shoots farmers and fishermen in Gaza all the time. The people in Gaza do not shoot Israelis.

 

[Phoenall]

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

.........and Toasty, if you bother to read just a bit more beyond the headline....the Hebron incident was sparked by reports that some Jews had planned to blow up a mosque in Jerusalem......Like most things in that region, its always who started it first.

And if you bothered to cross reference the incident you would see that it was a blood libel started by the Grand Mufti so that he could start the final solution and rid the world of the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

post makes no sense. Palestinians are not coming to Europe from the Middle East and definately not due to Israel. Most of the murdering is being done by another arab, namely Assad. Our immigrants are from Kosovo, Syria, Albania. Can't blame that one on the "zionist

Well, here's why................
The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

LIAR as the border crossings are manned by hamas thugs on the gaza side and they often close them to traffic in and out of gaza. They even close them to the aid lorries and fire on them

 

[Phoenall]

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Islamonazi propaganda as Isreal has colonised nowhere it doesn't have a legal right to colonise. You forget that from 635C.E. the arab muslims have subjugated the Jews and Christians in the M.E. and all the blood spilt has been as a direct result of arab muslim attempted world domination. Now we have a strong Jewish presence in the M.E. the cancer of islam has been stopped from spreading.

There is no legal right to colonise. The presense of the Zionist Paradise in the M.E. means that more Muslims are coming to Europe and America, fatal flaw in your logic there.

This post makes no sense. Palestinians are not coming to Europe from the Middle East and definately not due to Israel. Most of the murdering is being done by another arab, namely Assad. Our immigrants are from Kosovo, Syria, Albania. Can't blame that one on the "zionist".

Never said they were. Most Palestinian refugees head to the U.S. in any event. Phoney has a bee in his racist bigoted bonnet about the influx of brown-skinned Muslims into Europe, I just pointed out they wouldn't necessarily be coming here were it not for historic Western interference in the region, especially the creation of the Zionist Paradise. Even Assad wouldn't be doing much murdering were it not for western backing for the opposition, but that's a topic for another forum.

Where do most of the muslim immigrants to the UK come from then challenged, as it is not any of the nations bordering Israel is it.

 

[Phoenall]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Don't you mean he was invited to come and speak by the Americans ?

 

[Phoenall]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

And averted a war that would have led to tens of thousands of civilians being killed. If you read the reports you find that Egypt were ready to invade days before Israel fired the first shot, and were only stopped by Russia telling them they could not support open hostilities on Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

Deflection. That is not the point.

What ?? How is that a deflection?? It was a direct response to your post.

You said: "Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)"'

So you're claiming that it was NOT the Arabs who fired the first shot. Can you prove that?

Israel shoots farmers and fishermen in Gaza all the time. The people in Gaza do not shoot Israelis.

LIAR


The Israelis shoot smugglers and terrorists posing as fishermen and farmers. You don't fish for sardines with a cargo net, and you don't farm with an IED.

 

[Phoenall]

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

Tricky Toast. But, there was nothing pre-emptive about Israel's aggression. Legally, a pre-emptive action is such when it is akin to a reflex action
like throwing up of ones arms at the very last minute to defend from a blow to the face.

So operation dawn was not a blow towards Israel


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dawn_(1967)


Operation Dawn was an Egyptian military operation planned to strike the Israeli Air Force, in the prelude to what would become the Six-Day War. The Egyptian attack plan would involve strategic bombing of major ports, the Negev Nuclear Research Center near Dimona, airfields and cities. Arab armies would then attack, effectively cutting Israel in half with an armoured thrust from northern Sinai via the Negev desert.

 

[Phoenall]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Do I? Don't remember ever stating that, but whatever. In 1967 Zionist Isreal was geared up and ready for war, the Egyptians and the Syrians weren't. There was much posturing and sabre rattling by everyone, but ultimately the Zionists provoked the war. Moshe Dyan, himself, admitted that Israel initiated 80% of the border clashes with Syria that ultimately led to the 1967 war. Origins of the Six-Day War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

BULLSHIT


Operation dawn was stopped with seconds to spare by the Russian ambassador to Egypt getting Nasser out of bed to tell him that the Americans knew about the impending attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dawn_(1967)

Operation Dawn was an Egyptian military operation planned to strike the Israeli Air Force, in the prelude to what would become the Six-Day War. The Egyptian attack plan would involve strategic bombing of major ports, the Negev Nuclear Research Center near Dimona, airfields and cities. Arab armies would then attack, effectively cutting Israel in half with an armoured thrust from northern Sinai via the Negev desert.

 

[Phoenall]

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

The reason was to conquer more territory.

Then why give it all back in return for Peace and mutual borders ?

 

[Phoenall]

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

The reason was to conquer more territory.

If that was the case, why did Israel offer to give back ALL of the territory it conquered for peace?

When has Israel stated anything of the sort. LOL

All the time Abdul, just look at what they returned to Egypt in return for peace and mutual borders. They could have emptied the Sinai of oil instead of buying it on the open market.