Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[nat4900]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

 

[nat4900]

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

.........and Toasty, if you bother to read just a bit more beyond the headline....the Hebron incident was sparked by reports that some Jews had planned to blow up a mosque in Jerusalem......Like most things in that region, its always who started it first.

 

[nat4900]

post makes no sense. Palestinians are not coming to Europe from the Middle East and definately not due to Israel. Most of the murdering is being done by another arab, namely Assad. Our immigrants are from Kosovo, Syria, Albania. Can't blame that one on the "zionist

Well, here's why................
The only legal ways in and out of Gaza are through its official border crossings with Israel and Egypt. Gaza has little control over those crossings, and both of its neighbors have severely restricted the movement of people and goods across the borders because of security concerns.

 

[Challenger]

Good heavens, the "balanced view argument" AND the "Anti-Semite calumny" tactic all in one post, not seen that in years, it's a bit dated now. Problem with taking a balanced view (and I did, once upon a time) is that you take your balance and add the facts that support each side to either end of the scales. At some point the weight of evidence is so overwhelming and damning the scales tip over. That happened for me, when I learned that the Zionists lied, consistently and persistantly for decades; to the British, to the Americans, to the Syrians, to the Jordanians, to the Egyptians, to the League of Nations, to the UN and far more importantly, to the Jewish people themselves. Everyone has suffered because of Zionism, that's the reality of the world we live in today.

Yet the reality is that it has been mainly muslims that have impacted on the lives of hundreds of thousands of British people while Zionists have done absolutely nothing to them. I have not seen a report of a gang of Jewish men grooming 12 year old girls in Britain, but I have seen reports of nearly 100 muslim gangs getting arrested for it. I have not seen reports of Zionists driving cars into Glasgow airport packed with explosives, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it. I have not seen Zionists lining the street shouting insults at the soldiers returning home, but I have seen reports of muslims doing it.

IN FACT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY REPORTS OF ANY ZIONIST WRONG DOING OR CRIMINALITY IN BRITAIN, BUT I SEE REPORTS OF THE MUSLIMS WRONGDOING AND CRIMINALITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.


Want to prove me wrong mentally challenged that Zionists have never caused anyone to suffer as much as the muslims have in any nation in the world.

NO ONE is condoning terrorist acts by radical Islamists...NO ONE !!!

However, when we examine the "effects" we cannot neglect from also examining the "causes."
Israel has basically colonized Palestine...using her superior military powers (and partially funded by the U.S.) to subjugate another ethnic group.....and the blood constantly spilled in that region is DIRECTLY attributed to the Israeli-Palestine conflict that began 70 years ago.

Islamonazi propaganda as Isreal has colonised nowhere it doesn't have a legal right to colonise. You forget that from 635C.E. the arab muslims have subjugated the Jews and Christians in the M.E. and all the blood spilt has been as a direct result of arab muslim attempted world domination. Now we have a strong Jewish presence in the M.E. the cancer of islam has been stopped from spreading.

There is no legal right to colonise. The presense of the Zionist Paradise in the M.E. means that more Muslims are coming to Europe and America, fatal flaw in your logic there.

This post makes no sense. Palestinians are not coming to Europe from the Middle East and definately not due to Israel. Most of the murdering is being done by another arab, namely Assad. Our immigrants are from Kosovo, Syria, Albania. Can't blame that one on the "zionist".

Never said they were. Most Palestinian refugees head to the U.S. in any event. Phoney has a bee in his racist bigoted bonnet about the influx of brown-skinned Muslims into Europe, I just pointed out they wouldn't necessarily be coming here were it not for historic Western interference in the region, especially the creation of the Zionist Paradise. Even Assad wouldn't be doing much murdering were it not for western backing for the opposition, but that's a topic for another forum.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

 

[toastman]

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

.........and Toasty, if you bother to read just a bit more beyond the headline....the Hebron incident was sparked by reports that some Jews had planned to blow up a mosque in Jerusalem......Like most things in that region, its always who started it first.

Even if that was true, what's your point ? No Mosque was blown up.

Jews were massacred and attacked several times before any Arab was killed..fact..deal with it...

Arabs instigated the violence....deal with it.

 

[toastman]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

 

[toastman]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

 

[nat4900]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

 

[nat4900]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

 

[toastman]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

 

[montelatici]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

Tricky Toast. But, there was nothing pre-emptive about Israel's aggression. Legally, a pre-emptive action is such when it is akin to a reflex action
like throwing up of ones arms at the very last minute to defend from a blow to the face.

 

[Challenger]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Do I? Don't remember ever stating that, but whatever. In 1967 Zionist Isreal was geared up and ready for war, the Egyptians and the Syrians weren't. There was much posturing and sabre rattling by everyone, but ultimately the Zionists provoked the war. Moshe Dyan, himself, admitted that Israel initiated 80% of the border clashes with Syria that ultimately led to the 1967 war. Origins of the Six-Day War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Challenger]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

The reason was to conquer more territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Indeed, the Zionist bullshit machine has shifted into high gear.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

 

[toastman]

Starting hostilities is not defending themselves, firing illegal rockets at Israeli civilians is not defending themselves. They are acts of war and terrorism. Would you give a child with a fixation on fire a can of gas and a box of matches ?

Earth to Phoney, earth to Phoney, they didn't start hostilities.

The occupation started a full 37 years before the first rocket went up.

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

Just like the lying Zionist propagandists who say that the Palestinians fired the first shot. (like in 1929)

Can you prove otherwise?? Show me a link that shows Jews killing Arabs before Jews were killed by Palestinians..

 

[toastman]

Toast believes that any people should willingly give up their land and homes to Jews.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Indeed, the Zionist bullshit machine has shifted into high gear.

The Zionisy machine thag you soeak of is in your head.
Palestinians are the kings of lies and propaganda, as are their supporters. You and Monti are prime examples of this.

 

[toastman]

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians.....therefore, for right wingers, the ability to speak better English is justification for dislocating those who can't quite be understood by bubbas in Alabama or Idaho.

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

The first documented attacks were against Jews, by Arabs. Even before 1929 Hebron Massacre.

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

The reason was to conquer more territory.

If that was the case, why did Israel offer to give back ALL of the territory it conquered for peace?

 

[montelatici]

Mostly because these Jews speak better English than Palestinians​

There is something to be said about that. The Zionists had people in western countries for over a hundred years selling Israel. They spoke the local languages and had government and media influence. Their narrative was the only one available.

The Palestinians were simply out of that loop.

It is different now. Diaspora Palestinians speak the local languages and are gaining media coverage and (not much yet) government influence. They are breaking the Zionist's lock on public discourse and are changing public opinion.

Yes, and they are using the media to spread their immense propaganda.

Unlike Israel who actually sent Netanyahu to speak before Congress?

Exactly WHO is better at propaganda?

Who starts the fight? The guy who throws the first punch, or the guy who continually needles the guy to provoke him into throwing the first punch?

Whenever we debate the 6 day war, you deluded propagandists claim that Israel started the war because they fired the first shot.
But now you appear to be claiming that even though the Arabs fired the first show, they didn't start the hostilities...

Pro Palestinian hypocrisy at its best

You're entitled to your opinion, but NOT to your own facts, Toasty...

On June 4, 1967 the Israeli Cabinet authorized the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defence to decide on appropriate steps to defend the State of Israel.On June 5, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against Egypt and captured the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip.

I know that. Where did I say otherwise ??

At least you agree it was a pre emptive strike, which means you agree Israel had reason to attack Egypt.

The reason was to conquer more territory.

If that was the case, why did Israel offer to give back ALL of the territory it conquered for peace?

When has Israel stated anything of the sort. LOL