Jews for Justice..... If Americans really Knew

[nat4900]

And who made the decision to leave the military hardware behind????????

Maybe you should have sent him a Memo telling him it's a bad idea.................along with pulling out completely while the issue wasn't over yet.................

You talk about WINNING...................About I'm saying the IDF is better than our military..............where the Hell did you find that WINGER...............are the voices in your head telling you to say that..............

Calm down, there, Beagle (those neurosis meds aren't working?)

NO, it was not a mistake to leave Iraq (we overstayed our welcome, to say the least)

YES, it was a mistake to leave tons of weaponry there (those war profiteers lobbyists are tough on congress)

All I was implying in my response above is that Israel is not facing the same kind of weak, disjointed, unprepared, "enemy" that she did 40-50 years ago......that is all.

 

[eagle1462010]

Plan of partition - Summary of the UK Palestine Royal Commission Peel Commission report - League of Nations Non-UN document 30 November 1937


In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

 

[nat4900]

In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

Interesting....BUT you should read your own links (not just the title) before posting.....Here's the Mufti's own words......

MUFTI: A large part of these lands belong to absentee landlords who sold the land over the heads of their tenants, who were forcibly evicted. The majority of these landlords were absentees who sold their land over the heads of their tenants. Not Palestinians but Lebanese.

 

[nat4900]

In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

BTW, that interview, dear Beagle, reminded me of another famous "land purchase" within our shores.......Manhattan.......Here's what REALLY happened there:

The biggest problem with the Manhattan purchase isn’t the price: It’s the identity of the sellers. The Dutch conducted their business with the Canarsee tribe who were actually based out of what is now Brooklyn.

The Canarsee probably would have taken anything in exchange for the use of Manhattan, as the island actually belonged to the Wappinger Confederacy, another group of Native Americans.

 

[eagle1462010]

In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

Interesting....BUT you should read your own links (not just the title) before posting.....Here's the Mufti's own words......

MUFTI: A large part of these lands belong to absentee landlords who sold the land over the heads of their tenants, who were forcibly evicted. The majority of these landlords were absentees who sold their land over the heads of their tenants. Not Palestinians but Lebanese.

Cherry picking the quotes.................Now put the lands OWNED BY JEWS in to perspective......................in his own words.........

I've already done so in other threads..............but please Cherry pick your data as you always do.......................

I provided the League of Nations report along with the Front Page quotes of the Mufti himself............Including the proposed deal before WWII..........including the payment of 2 Million Pounds to try and make a Peaceful solution to the region...........................Which fell on DEAF EARS.............................

The Arabs wanted it ALL INCLUDING LANDS THEY SOLD TO JEWS....................

 

[eagle1462010]

In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

BTW, that interview, dear Beagle, reminded me of another famous "land purchase" within our shores.......Manhattan.......Here's what happened there:

The biggest problem with the Manhattan purchase isn’t the price: It’s the identity of the sellers. The Dutch conducted their business with the Canarsee tribe who were actually based out of what is now Brooklyn.

The Canarsee probably would have taken anything in exchange for the use of Manhattan, as the island actually belonged to the Wappinger Confederacy, another group of Native Americans.

By your OWN WORDS GNAT.........................

You told me to get back ON TOPIC.............and to STAY OFF THE INDIAN SITUATION...................

Is that another form of DO AS I SAY, AND NOT AS I DO............................

To your point previously................GET BACK ON TOPIC.................

Now to the Topic..................HOW MUCH LAND DID THE MUFTI SAY WAS OWNED BY JEWS??????????

 

[nat4900]

Aha, Beagle, you DON'T like the comparison of what happened in Palestine to what we did to American Indians........

If you were to read the ORIGINAL article that started this thread, you'd see that the main disagreement by those Jews who wrote the article is that the clever Zionists place the land sold by NOT the inhabitants but by absentee Lebanese landlords, into ownership by the government.....which meant that NO PALESTINIAN ARAB could ever purchase it back for NO amount of money......

 

[eagle1462010]

Aha, Beagle, you DON'T like the comparison of what happened in Palestine to what we did to American Indians........

If you were to read the ORIGINAL article that started this thread, you'd see that the main disagreement by those Jews who wrote the article is that the clever Zionists place the land sold by NOT the inhabitants but by absentee Lebanese landlords, into ownership by the government.....which meant that NO PALESTINIAN ARAB could ever purchase it back for NO amount of money......

No, I'm telling you to STFU as you told me to do earlier in the thread about bringing up the Indians..............

So, I'm giving you BLOWBACK on your own words................So.............just as you told me to STFU and get back on TOPIC.................

I'm returning the favor.

 

[Phoenall]

The Zionist Israelis are indeed currently "winning", just like the Nazi Germans from 1939-42. The partition plan would have given 43% of the best land in Palestine to the minority immigrant Zionist colonists, while the native Palestinians would have been left with land mostly unfit for agriculture. The plan was fundamentaly unfair and yet you wonder why the natives opposed it. The native Arabs went to war to stop the Zionist ethnic cleansing and the hostilities never ended. In 1967 the Zionists waged an aggressive war to steal yet more territory and the war went on. Remember Nazi Germany conquered most of Europe and a huge chunk of the USSR at one point, but eventually lost it all. The war is not over yet.

You know what? I am tired of arguing with you folks. I could waste my time with a long and drawn out reply, but I will just stop and say this. Your user name of "Challenger" should be changed to "Challenged". As in mentally; or better, like the rest of the pro-pals, you have such a bad case of rectal cranial insertion problem that all you see is the BS.

Quick snippet: To compare the failed Nazi attempt of conquest that lasted at most (according to your own post) 3 years to the struggle that Israel has been going through (and still winning) for the last almost 70 years just shows how Challenged you are.

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

The problem is that if Israel went to war like islam does then the war would have ended in 1949, and Israel would be in charge of it all.

 

[Phoenall]

The Zionist Israelis are indeed currently "winning", just like the Nazi Germans from 1939-42. The partition plan would have given 43% of the best land in Palestine to the minority immigrant Zionist colonists, while the native Palestinians would have been left with land mostly unfit for agriculture. The plan was fundamentaly unfair and yet you wonder why the natives opposed it. The native Arabs went to war to stop the Zionist ethnic cleansing and the hostilities never ended. In 1967 the Zionists waged an aggressive war to steal yet more territory and the war went on. Remember Nazi Germany conquered most of Europe and a huge chunk of the USSR at one point, but eventually lost it all. The war is not over yet.

You know what? I am tired of arguing with you folks. I could waste my time with a long and drawn out reply, but I will just stop and say this. Your user name of "Challenger" should be changed to "Challenged". As in mentally; or better, like the rest of the pro-pals, you have such a bad case of rectal cranial insertion problem that all you see is the BS.

Quick snippet: To compare the failed Nazi attempt of conquest that lasted at most (according to your own post) 3 years to the struggle that Israel has been going through (and still winning) for the last almost 70 years just shows how Challenged you are.

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

What ethnic cleansing would that be then, as evicting the enemy is not ethnic cleansing.


The rest of your post is just neo Marxist fantasy without a shred of evidence to back it up.

 

[montelatici]

The facts are well known. The land tax registries for Palestine showed that in 1943 more than 85% of the land was owned by the non-Jews. This is from the Anglo-American Committee Report prepared for the U.S. State Department, the UK Foregin Office and the UN, prior to partition.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

 

[Phoenall]

The Zionist Israelis are indeed currently "winning", just like the Nazi Germans from 1939-42. The partition plan would have given 43% of the best land in Palestine to the minority immigrant Zionist colonists, while the native Palestinians would have been left with land mostly unfit for agriculture. The plan was fundamentaly unfair and yet you wonder why the natives opposed it. The native Arabs went to war to stop the Zionist ethnic cleansing and the hostilities never ended. In 1967 the Zionists waged an aggressive war to steal yet more territory and the war went on. Remember Nazi Germany conquered most of Europe and a huge chunk of the USSR at one point, but eventually lost it all. The war is not over yet.

You know what? I am tired of arguing with you folks. I could waste my time with a long and drawn out reply, but I will just stop and say this. Your user name of "Challenger" should be changed to "Challenged". As in mentally; or better, like the rest of the pro-pals, you have such a bad case of rectal cranial insertion problem that all you see is the BS.

Quick snippet: To compare the failed Nazi attempt of conquest that lasted at most (according to your own post) 3 years to the struggle that Israel has been going through (and still winning) for the last almost 70 years just shows how Challenged you are.

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

DEBUNK.................LOL

You mean LIE your little ass off.

What he means is he has to get his commisars permission to fabricate some story and then refuse to provide links to substantiate it.

 

[Phoenall]

You know what? I am tired of arguing with you folks. I could waste my time with a long and drawn out reply, but I will just stop and say this. Your user name of "Challenger" should be changed to "Challenged". As in mentally; or better, like the rest of the pro-pals, you have such a bad case of rectal cranial insertion problem that all you see is the BS.

Quick snippet: To compare the failed Nazi attempt of conquest that lasted at most (according to your own post) 3 years to the struggle that Israel has been going through (and still winning) for the last almost 70 years just shows how Challenged you are.

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

DEBUNK.................LOL

You mean LIE your little ass off.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

So that is why you throw around all the insults, because you know I AM RIGHT

 

[Phoenall]

The facts are well known. The land tax registries for Palestine showed that in 1943 more than 85% of the land was owned by the non-Jews. This is from the Anglo-American Committee Report prepared for the U.S. State Department, the UK Foregin Office and the UN, prior to partition.

View attachment 39406

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Written by a committee so not a valid source of evidence. and the land tax shows the Jews paid more so had the larger amount of land................

 

[Phoenall]

You know what? I am tired of arguing with you folks. I could waste my time with a long and drawn out reply, but I will just stop and say this. Your user name of "Challenger" should be changed to "Challenged". As in mentally; or better, like the rest of the pro-pals, you have such a bad case of rectal cranial insertion problem that all you see is the BS.

Quick snippet: To compare the failed Nazi attempt of conquest that lasted at most (according to your own post) 3 years to the struggle that Israel has been going through (and still winning) for the last almost 70 years just shows how Challenged you are.

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

What ethnic cleansing would that be then, as evicting the enemy is not ethnic cleansing.


The rest of your post is just neo Marxist fantasy without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Coming from another continent and evicting the people living on the land of that continent for many generations is ethnic cleansing. The only delusional idiot that would contend otherwise is you Phoney. Quit phoenalling as they say to you on that other forum.

They were illegal immigrants and it is allowed to evict illegal immigrants from your land

 

[Challenger]

Just goes to show you need at least 1 superpower covering your arse. Nazi Germany took on all of modern industrialised Europe and it took 3 superpowers to beat her in almost 6 years of constant warfare. Zionist Isreal, in comparison, has had to mobilise to anything approaching that level only 4 times in 70 years and waged aggressive war on three of those occasions against disorganised and/or unprepared enemies. The rest of the time Israel has had to contend against an oppressed and fractured indigenous people, armed with a tiny, tiny, fraction of the weaponry Zionist Isreal possesses, defending it's right to exist. The fact they're still there fighting, after 70 years is a "victory" in itself.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

DEBUNK.................LOL

You mean LIE your little ass off.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Aka your twisted anti Semite sites are the truth..................LOL.................

Hardly.

Thank you for continuing to prove my point,

"Ridicule as much as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

 

[Challenger]

The facts are well known. The land tax registries for Palestine showed that in 1943 more than 85% of the land was owned by the non-Jews. This is from the Anglo-American Committee Report prepared for the U.S. State Department, the UK Foregin Office and the UN, prior to partition.

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A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Written by a committee so not a valid source of evidence. and the land tax shows the Jews paid more so had the larger amount of land................

Still trolling.

 

[montelatici]

The facts are well known. The land tax registries for Palestine showed that in 1943 more than 85% of the land was owned by the non-Jews. This is from the Anglo-American Committee Report prepared for the U.S. State Department, the UK Foregin Office and the UN, prior to partition.

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A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Written by a committee so not a valid source of evidence. and the land tax shows the Jews paid more so had the larger amount of land................

Commissioned by the U.S. and UK governments as the absolute authority on the conditions in Palestine prior to partition. The amount of acreage owned by the Jews and non-Jews is clearly stated. Jews owned less than 15% of the land. No getting around it. Assessed tax value and acreage has nothing to do with amount of land and all to do with price paid for the land. Since the Christians and Muslims had owned land for many generations the sales assessed value was much lower.

 

[eagle1462010]

LOL

The Arab League that ATTACKED ISRAEL to begin with was a force from the entire Middle East.

In the 1967 War Egypt and Syria were massed on their borders and outnumbered the Israeli's 4 to one provided for them by the Russians................

and in 1971 Egypt started the attack again armed with Russian Equipment, and again outnumbering the Israeli's...............

On all occasions the Israeli's were outnumbered and Won the day. Not only did they win, in the last Two, but they kicked the living hell out of them with fewer numbers.

Your distortion of history is typical.

I find the "distorting of history" accusation amusing coming from someone who clearly toes the Zionist Hasbara line. Zionists have distorted history for decades until in a moment of hubris, complacency or just incompetance, the Government released all the 1948 archives to the public, allowing Historians to finally be able to get at the truth. It's no accident, they've not done so for the 1956, 1967, or 1973 wars.

The truth then:

The neighbouring Arab forces invaded Palestine in 1948 ostensibly to prevent further ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. Abdullah of Jordan, had already made a deal with the Zionists to occupy Jerusalem and the Palestinian area subsequently known as the West Bank. Syria and Iraq invaded the northernmost area of the West bank more to prevent the Jordanians achieving their aims, than any intent to destroy the newly declared state. Lebanon was sympathetic to the Zionists at the time and only made a token gesture of "attacking" before subsequently pulling back and taking no further part in any operations. Syrian and Egyptian forces did cross into areas that the Zionists declared sovereignty over, but lacked the equipment and ammunition (not to mention training and experience) needed to have any effect. If I recall correctly, the Syrians were held back by two home made artillery pieces and the egyptians were stopped by battle hardened Jewish veterans of Stalingrad, defending one of their settlements. The egyptian force contained various contingents of "volunteers" from other Muslim countries but they were less than useless and more a burden than a help to the Egyptians.

The Arabs were under an arms embargo and were unable to resupply their forces, never having expected to have to actually go to war. The Zionists, while under the same embargo, had been preparing for war for years beforehand and basically ignored the embargo, import modern weapons and equipment via the Soviets and their satellite regimes in Eastern Europe after the british had left. In 1948 the Zionist forces outnumbered the combined arab forces in theatre, and once properly equipped, were easily able to launch an aggressive war of conquest.

I don't have time now to debunk the other conflicts but really, you need to read some objective and scholarly works and not just regurgitate Zionist hasbara historiography. Oh, did you mean 1973, when you wrote 1971?

DEBUNK.................LOL

You mean LIE your little ass off.

Throw around as many insults as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Aka your twisted anti Semite sites are the truth..................LOL.................

Hardly.

Thank you for continuing to prove my point,

"Ridicule as much as you like, it changes nothing, just demonstrates the fact you know deep down that I'm right, and that frightens you and your ilk.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Your sides point.

Tell a Lie Long enough and it becomes the truth.............................

Even if it is a Lie................

Your side wants the death of Israel..............and it's not about Land...............It's about Killing the Jews and nothing more..............

and since you can't win on the battlefield you want the Western Powers to do it for you......................

In your other War on Israel...........The War of Lies and Propaganda. Nothing more.

 

[Challenger]

In the Mufti's OWN WORDS...................STOLEN LAND IS A LIE!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/da...-our-land”-vs-the-grand-mufti-of-jerusalem/2/

BTW, that interview, dear Beagle, reminded me of another famous "land purchase" within our shores.......Manhattan.......Here's what REALLY happened there:

The biggest problem with the Manhattan purchase isn’t the price: It’s the identity of the sellers. The Dutch conducted their business with the Canarsee tribe who were actually based out of what is now Brooklyn.

The Canarsee probably would have taken anything in exchange for the use of Manhattan, as the island actually belonged to the Wappinger Confederacy, another group of Native Americans.

Excellent point!