Zone1 Jew Hatred - I don't get it.

[Dismantle this Country]

She didn't say this election exceeded Reagan.

Fair enough on Ron, but still inaccurate.

 

[BreezeWood]

See? You don't have to be afraid of the scary man with scary guns.

right wing fanatics and their guns are a dime a dozen.

 

[irosie91]

Constantine instituted the religion of Simon Maggot which later became Roman Catholicism. Not only did they persecute "the Jews" but also Followers of the Way -- the Sabbath keeping Church of God in Jerusalem

I don't know "SIMON MAGGOT" is that simon-peter? The "holy" roman empire persecuted anything "not catholic".

 

[Ace Nova]

Constantine instituted the religion of Simon Maggot which later became Roman Catholicism. Not only did they persecute "the Jews" but also Followers of the Way -- the Sabbath keeping Church of God in Jerusalem

Incorrect.

Simon Magus and his cult - The Simonians were well known during the first 4 centuries.

The Catholic Church considered Simon Magus an adversary of Peter - The first Pope.

Simon plays an important part in the "Pseudo-Clementines". He appears here as the chief antagonist of the apostle Peter, by whom he is everywhere followed and opposed. The alleged magical arts of the magician and Peter's efforts against him are described in a way that is absolutely imaginary. The entire account lacks all historical basis. In the "Philosophumena" of Hippolytus of Rome (vi, vii-xx), the doctrine of Simon and his followers is treated in detail. The work also relates circumstantially how Simon labored at Rome and won many by his magic arts, and how he attacked the Apostles Peter and Paul who opposed him. According to this account the reputation of the magician was greatly injured by the efforts of the two Apostles and the number of his followers became constantly smaller. He consequently left Rome and returned to his home at Gitta. In order to give his scholars there a proof of his higher nature and divine mission and thus regain his authority, he had a grave dug and permitted himself to be buried in it, after previously prophesying that after three days he would rise alive from it. But the promised resurrection did not take place; Simon died in the grave. The apocryphal Acts of St. Peter give an entirely different account of Simon's conduct at Rome and of his death (Lipsius, "Die apokryphen Apostelgeschichten und Apostellegenden", II, Pt. I (Brunswick, 1887). In this work also great stress is laid upon the struggle between Simon and the two Apostles Peter and Paul at Rome. By his magic arts Simon had also sought to win the Emperor Nero for himself, an attempt in which he had been thwarted by the Apostles. As proof of the truth of his doctrines Simon offered to ascend into the heavens before the eyes of Nero and the Roman populace; by magic he did rise in the air in the Roman Forum, but the prayers of the Apostles Peter and Paul caused him to fall, so that he was severely injured and shortly afterwards died miserably. Arnobius reports this alleged attempt to fly and the death of Simon with still other particulars ("Adv. nationes" ii, xii; cf. "Constit. Apost.", vi, ix). This legend led later to the erection of a church dedicated to the Apostles on the alleged spot of Simon's fall near the Via Sacra above the Forum. The stones of the pavement on which the Apostles knelt in prayer and which are said to contain the impression of their knees, are now in the wall of the Church of Santa Francesca Romana.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Simon Magus

According to the testimony of St. Justin, Simon came from Gitta in the country of the Samaritans

www.newadvent.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Catholic Church considered Simon Magus an adversary of Peter - The first Pope

Except that YOUR Peter was Simon Magus

 

[Meriweather]

Except that YOUR Peter was Simon Magus

Wrong. Out of curiosity, what is your source?

 

[Ace Nova]

Except that YOUR Peter was Simon Magus

Reading what I posted would help you see what you do not see.

There is a Roman Catholic Church named Santa Francesca Romana that was built over the place where Simon Magus fell to his death (according to legend). It is dedicated in honor of Peter and the Apostles - where they "prayed" instead of using "sorcery" - in order to overcome Magus. (The Sorcerer).

This legend led later to the erection of a church dedicated to the Apostles on the alleged spot of Simon's fall near the Via Sacra above the Forum. The stones of the pavement on which the Apostles knelt in prayer and which are said to contain the impression of their knees, are now in the wall of the Church of Santa Francesca Romana.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Simon Magus

According to the testimony of St. Justin, Simon came from Gitta in the country of the Samaritans

www.newadvent.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The "holy" roman empire persecuted anything "not catholic".

Yes they did including the Church of God in Jerusalem

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Wrong. Out of curiosity, what is your source?

You can know these things but you are too wedded to your cult
Start with "Two Babylons"

 

[Meriweather]

You can know these things but you are too wedded to your cult
Start with "Two Babylons"

You have got to be kidding!! Alexander Hislop?? He was no historian, used no no primary sources, and was a mason by trade. He wrote the book in the mid 1800s. Though popular enough, it was a bad piece of fiction, not even comparable to another work of fiction, Dante's Inferno.

 

[Ace Nova]

You have got to be kidding!! Alexander Hislop?? He was no historian, used no no primary sources, and was a mason by trade. He wrote the book in the mid 1800s. Though popular enough, it was a bad piece of fiction, not even comparable to another work of fiction, Dante's Inferno.

Unfortunately, some groups use the Catholic Church as a scapegoat for things that they may not understand.

 

[irosie91]

I don't know "SIMON MAGGOT" is that simon-peter? The "holy" roman empire persecuted anything "not catholic".

Carl disagrees-----however it is a fact that Constantine established the CHRISTIAN CHURCH as the state religion of the Roman Empire----his
laws formed the basis of the INQUISITION. He rulings on Jews were
adopted into Shariah law (read the koran) and by AL NABI ADOLF HITLER--
pbuh

 

[irosie91]

You have got to be kidding!! Alexander Hislop?? He was no historian, used no no primary sources, and was a mason by trade. He wrote the book in the mid 1800s. Though popular enough, it was a bad piece of fiction, not even comparable to another work of fiction, Dante's Inferno.

SHEEEESH the INFERNO is my fave part of the DIVINE COMEDY----
How can you claim that something called "THE DIVINE COMEDY"
is a work of fiction-----I STAND BY the DIVINE LOVERS --
Beatrice an Alighierie

 

[Ace Nova]

Carl disagrees-----however it is a fact that Constantine established the CHRISTIAN CHURCH as the state religion of the Roman Empire----his
laws formed the basis of the INQUISITION. He rulings on Jews were
adopted into Shariah law (read the koran) and by AL NABI ADOLF HITLER--
pbuh

The inquisition did not begin until almost 900 years later. It was the dark ages - in both the church and society.

That said, as horrific as it was - thousands forced to convert, persecuted or killed - it still does not compare to what occurred during WWII and the Holocaust, when 6+ million Jews and other groups were persecuted and killed.

 

[irosie91]

The inquisition did not begin until almost 900 years later. It was the dark ages - in both the church and society.

That said, as horrific as it was - thousands forced to convert, persecuted or killed - it still does not compare to what occurred during WWII and the Holocaust, when 6+ million Jews and other groups were persecuted and killed.

The Inquisition is based on the fact that it CONFORMS
with Canon Law---the basis of which is by Constantine---later
codified by his descendant (grandson? or nephew? or something)
JUSTIN--as Justinian law. Shariah law is based on interpretation of
Muhummad's pronouncements as recorded in the Koran.

 

[Ace Nova]

The Inquisition is based on the fact that it CONFORMS
with Canon Law---the basis of which is by Constantine---later
codified by his descendant (grandson? or nephew? or something)
JUSTIN--as Justinian law. Shariah law is based on interpretation of
Muhummad's pronouncements as recorded in the Koran.

From the dawn of civilization, society "lived by the Sword and died by the sword" - that included various religions, faiths, cultures, empires and so forth. Egypt, Babylon, Canaan, Judea - Macedonia/Greece - Rome/The Church - Islam - all fought to advance their empires/kingdoms, cultures or religions.

What we can do as a society is to understand history and learn from it, so we do not repeat the mistakes of the past - whether it be for politics, culture or religion.

 

[hobelim]

From the dawn of civilization, society "lived by the Sword and died by the sword"

Maybe so but the sword that Jesus said he brought is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, in fulfillment of Jewish expectations for the messiah to destroy their enemies by the sword.

Those killed by the sword are piled high, unburied. The stench of their rotting flesh is repulsive.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations."

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"

"Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you."

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"



"Hear, you who have ears to hear!

Whoever is to be made prisoner, a prisoner he shall be; whoever lifts the sword to kill, by the sword he is bound to be killed"

 

[irosie91]

Maybe so but the sword that Jesus said he came to bring is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.


"I have not come to bring peace but a sword."

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations."

"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. When they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"

"Drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall to rise no more because of the sword I will send among you."

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is a cup of my blood, the blood of the covenant"

"Just art thou, in these thy judgments, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"



"Hear, you who have ears to hear!

Whoever is to be made prisoner, a prisoner he shall be; whoever lifts the sword to kill, by the sword he is bound to be killed"

cool it, hobie

 

[hobelim]

cool it, hobie

Okey dokey!

 

[Ace Nova]

Maybe so but the sword that Jesus said he brought is a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, in fulfillment of Jewish expectations for the messiah to destroy their enemies by the sword.

Are you proclaiming that Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah?