Jesus

[Gracie]

 

[Gracie]

So....why is He depicted as blonde, with wavy long hair, and blue eyes? He was hebrew. Hebrews were dark.

 

[Gracie]

I wonder if Adam was blonde, with blue eyes too? And Eve?

 

[gulfman]

You could be right.The fella on the left looks like the guy that robbed a liquor store.The clerk said to the cops "Jesus Christ we were just held up"

 

[Thoth001]

So....why is He depicted as blonde, with wavy long hair, and blue eyes? He was hebrew. Hebrews were dark.

“MICHELANGELO (1475-1564) One of the major reasons the image of Jesus Christ was changed from black to white was due to some of Michelangelo's paintings. He was given a contract on 10th May 1508 by Pope Julius II to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. He used members of his family as models. For instance, his cousin was the model for Jesus Christ. The paintings were carried out between 1508 and 1512.”
― Aylmer Von Fleischer, How Jesus Christ Became White

 

[surada]

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I doubt Jesus looked like the guy on the left. That's not what the people of the Levant looked like.

 

[Likkmee]

So....why is He depicted as blonde, with wavy long hair, and blue eyes? He was hebrew. Hebrews were dark.

 

[Thoth001]

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I doubt Jesus looked like the guy on the left. That's not what the people of the Levant looked like.

I think what it comes down to is that their were many Jesuses. White, Black, Asian.Etc... The Jesus in the Bible is based on many different characters to kind of make a super savior.

 

[Votto]

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Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

 

[Likkmee]

He's gotten so angry now...

Russia reports world's first case of human infection with H5N8 bird flu

Russia has registered the first case of a strain of bird flu virus named A(H5N8) being passed to humans from birds and has reported the matter to the World Health Organization (WHO), Anna Popova, head of consumer health watchdog Rospotrebnadzor, said on Saturday.

www.reuters.com

 

[theHawk]

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The description in Revelations says he hair is white as wool and snow, eyes like fire, feet like bronze.

I think it’s safe to say that’s not what he looked like before.

 

[theHawk]

So....why is He depicted as blonde, with wavy long hair, and blue eyes? He was hebrew. Hebrews were dark.

Only Mormons portray him as blonde with blue eyes.

 

[surada]

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Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

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Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus.. Its about Israel. Read it in context not as a stand alone verse.

 

[Likkmee]

younger/older ?

 

[Votto]

View attachment 459912

Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

View attachment 459920

Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus.. Its about Israel. Read it in context not as a stand alone verse.

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

So you expect us to believe that Israel was punished for the transgression of the people? The people are the nation and the Bible tells us that God judged and dispersed the nation of Israel because of their iniquity. The Hebrew people murdered and persecuted the prophets who then tried to warn them, so they were far from righteous. Isaiah 53 paints a picture of a just and righteous person whom God chose to "crush" and judge. Jesus is the only example of this in the Bible, all others God "crushes" are sinful people, not righteous ones.

Sorry, your assertion makes no sense.

 

[surada]

View attachment 459912

Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

View attachment 459920

Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus.. Its about Israel. Read it in context not as a stand alone verse.

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

So you expect us to believe that Israel was punished for the transgression of the people? The people are the nation and the Bible tells us that God judged and dispersed them because of their iniquity. The Hebrew people murdered and persecuted the prophets who then tried to warn them, so they were far from righteous. Isaiah 53 paints a picture of a just and righteous person whom God chose to "crush" and judge. Jesus is the only example of this in the Bible, all others God "crushes" are sinful people, not righteous ones.

Sorry, your assertion makes no sense.

Read the whole of Isaiah.. This is about Israel. Israel is always referred to as the servant of God.. Christians can't make their case by fiddling around with scripture. Same with Hosea.. It just makes a mess of things when you change the subject in the middle of a whole book.

Isaiah 41:8 8"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

 

[surada]

King James Bible
For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 25:55

 

[Votto]

View attachment 459912

Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

View attachment 459920

Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus.. Its about Israel. Read it in context not as a stand alone verse.

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

So you expect us to believe that Israel was punished for the transgression of the people? The people are the nation and the Bible tells us that God judged and dispersed them because of their iniquity. The Hebrew people murdered and persecuted the prophets who then tried to warn them, so they were far from righteous. Isaiah 53 paints a picture of a just and righteous person whom God chose to "crush" and judge. Jesus is the only example of this in the Bible, all others God "crushes" are sinful people, not righteous ones.

Sorry, your assertion makes no sense.

Read the whole of Isaiah.. This is about Israel. Israel is always referred to as the servant of God.. Christians can't make their case by fiddling around with scripture. Same with Hosea.. It just makes a mess of things when you change the subject in the middle of a whole book.

Isaiah 41:8 8"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

So what is Daniel talking about here in Daniel 9:24-27?


24 “Seventy ‘sevens’[a] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish[b] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.[c]

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[e] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[f] In the middle of the ‘seven’[g] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[h] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.


Is Daniel talking about Israel here being put to death like he was in Isaiah or is it the Messiah?

 

[Mac-7]

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You seem to have a serious hangup over skin color

 

[surada]

View attachment 459912

Not only to most renderings of Jesus make him appear Caucasian, all renderings make him appear attractive.

Conversely, Isaiah 53 says otherwise

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

Now, I find it hard to believe he was in this bad of shape, but I digress

View attachment 459920

Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus.. Its about Israel. Read it in context not as a stand alone verse.

Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

So you expect us to believe that Israel was punished for the transgression of the people? The people are the nation and the Bible tells us that God judged and dispersed them because of their iniquity. The Hebrew people murdered and persecuted the prophets who then tried to warn them, so they were far from righteous. Isaiah 53 paints a picture of a just and righteous person whom God chose to "crush" and judge. Jesus is the only example of this in the Bible, all others God "crushes" are sinful people, not righteous ones.

Sorry, your assertion makes no sense.

Read the whole of Isaiah.. This is about Israel. Israel is always referred to as the servant of God.. Christians can't make their case by fiddling around with scripture. Same with Hosea.. It just makes a mess of things when you change the subject in the middle of a whole book.

Isaiah 41:8 8"But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

So what is Daniel talking about here in Daniel 9:24-27?


24 “Seventy ‘sevens’[a] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish[b] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.[c]

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[e] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[f] In the middle of the ‘seven’[g] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[h] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.


Is Daniel talking about Israel here being put to death like he was in Isaiah or is it the Messiah?

Daniel was written in 138 BC in response to the crimes and persecutions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the Maccabean Revolt. It was written by a group of Jewish , presumably scholars, who sought to comfort and encourage the Jews during a terrible time.