Jesus the first socialist

I don’t think Jesus was political at all.

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s (pay your fucking taxes, indeed don’t worry about external power) render unto God that which is God’s (this is what you should be concentrating your energy on).

Jesus turns tables at the Temple because the Temple had become a political-economic center rather than a place of God, much like many Christian evangelical institutions in our day. Many are nothing more the Christian casinos selling spiritual luck.

To my mind the closest political ideology to Jesus would be pacifist anarchism.

I am not saying that works in the real world, after all Jesus did end up on a cross.
But I will lend the man the dignity of his own his own words and life.


Probably the most concise and accurate description I've seen on an MB.
 
Jesus was NOT remotely an anachist.

Neither was he remotely a libertarian.

He was, believe it or not, a monarchist.

Jesus was an anarchist. He did not believe any man should be elevated to rule over other men. The only sovereignty He recognized was God the father's...

Is THAT is your definition of monarchy?

The government of Isreal at the time.

They had a KING, remember?

And remember also that one of Jesus' claims to fame was that he was "of the house of KING David"?

Come on now, what kind of Christian doesn't know these things?
 
Jesus was NOT remotely an anachist.

Neither was he remotely a libertarian.

He was, believe it or not, a monarchist.

Jesus was an anarchist. He did not believe any man should be elevated to rule over other men. The only sovereignty He recognized was God the father's...

Is THAT is your definition of monarchy?

The government of Isreal at the time.

They had a KING, remember?

And remember also that one of Jesus' claims to fame was that he was "of the house of KING David"?

Come on now, what kind of Christian doesn't know these things?

Israel at the time of Jesus? Remember King Herod and his son Herod Antipas? Ruler of the Roman client state? I'm sure John the Baptist did.

Jesus believed that the restoration of the monarchy would be accomplished by God, not by any movement of Jews
 
It's easy to give things away for free when one can perform miracles which defy the laws of Physics and Nature.

But as neither we nor our elected officials are GODS, we'll have to live within the confines of both.

There's no Free Lunch - nor Free Health Care.
 
JESUS THE FIRST SOCIALIST

Jesus healed the sick. (pre-existing conditions)
Jesus gave his life and right wingnuts and village idiots complain about having to give a few dollars they have because of blessings from GOD.
Jesus fed the poor. (welfare)
Jesus told his followers to give away all their possessions and follow him.
Jesus paid taxes.
Jesus fed the poor with fish and wine. (food banks)
GOD created the law of debt forgiveness every 7 years.
Gleaning was taking from the haves and giving to the have nots.
Jesus said take care of widows and orphans. (welfare)
Jesus provided for the "potter's" field to bury the poor.
GOD create "tithing" Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth of their belongings.
Muslims have a box in their home that they contribute to weekly and give to the government to give to the poor and all the poor has to do is come and ask for help. 1 Cor 16;2,3.

Jesus set an example for us to follow, but we follow in words only and not in deeds.
Future kingdom (government) ruled by Jesus will be free from war, ample food, comfortable housing for everyone, no sickness or death, justice and security that would put present government to shame as socialism.

This government take your money and give billions to other countries and you do not complain but when it come to your own, you complain with rage. Government commands you to pay taxes.
Jesus was the ultimate of socialism. A commandment is force
 
Moving on to the next area that might prove my point and which certainly has a few feathers ruffling today; that of health care or in this case Jesus Healing those in need. He certainly didn’t seem to pay much attention to the conventions of the time, like oh say working on the Sabbath, which got him into a few bits of trouble with the powers that be. Nonetheless, heal he did without concern or consideration for pre-existing conditions or whose toes he was stepping on Jesus made his way through the land casting out demons, healing leprosy, epilepsy, and other dastardly illnesses that afflicted the people, he cared not a whit for whether a person was rich or poor, of the ruling class, or the most destitute beggar before the temple he healed them. The Pharisees, although the ruling class within the temple at the time and thus in control of wealth, law, and healing could not prevent him from teaching or healing, even on the Sabbath. There are many examples of this sprinkled throughout the New Testament, here are just a few:
Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 17:14
Mark 7:31, 8:22
John 9:51
Now to one of the best proofs and that is found in Matthew 25:31-46: The Parable of the Sheep and the Goats. For those that don’t know this one the key statement is as follows:
 
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life”.
 
So I say again, Jesus was the first Socialist. Perhaps all those who shout from their pulpits and their soapboxes about their moral right to gain riches on the backs and at the cost of others should check their premise. While they are pointing fingers and calling names, perhaps they should read the book they are standing upon, yes that would be the Bible they so readily reference usually incorrectly. During their ranting and ravings, their demand that the government “keep their hands off their Medicare”; perhaps it would serve them well to review the statements and teachings of the man who is the basis of their entire belief system, maybe this would help them.>
Obama is not a Socialist. Jesus however was the first Socialist.


NO Jesus was NOT a socialist. Encouraging others to GIVE of themselves is NOT the same thing as using government COERCION to CONFISCATE the fruits of one person's labor in order to hand it over to someone else who did not earn it. You miss the point of Christianity ENTIRELY if you are stupid enough to believe Jesus would EVER favor a socialist or communist system! Christianity is about the INDIVIDUAL'S relationship with God and what the INDIVIDUAL freely CHOOSES to do and freely CHOOSES to GIVE of himself. NOT what government forcibly TAKES from the individual. No such thing as "collective salvation for the masses" and no such thing as brownie points toward heaven for living under one system of government versus a different one. Jesus would favor the government system that both allows the individual the freedom to CHOOSE to give of himself -and encourages the individual to do so. The use of government force to just confiscate the wealth from those who earned in order to spend it as government sees fit -is in reality just government THEFT. Taking what doesn't belong to you is STEALING -no matter whether it is stolen by an individual or an institution and no matter what is done with it after it has been stolen.


And where did you EVER get the notion that just because government CLAIMS the way it wants to spend your money is a "good work", it actually means it really IS and would be accepted by God as a "good work"? Robin Hood was still just a THIEF no matter what he chose to do with that money once he stole it from others. Do you REALLY think Jesus would say the ends justify the means? LOL Government confiscating my money because it claims to be a better judge about how to best spend my money than I can and forcibly TAKING it from me on the threat of imprisonment -is NOT "good works", is NOT the individual CHOOSING to GIVE of himself - and is NOT something Jesus would favor! No matter how government actually ends up spending the money it forcibly took it from me, Jesus would NEVER support such a system because it removes any decision from the INDIVIDUAL about what they choose to freely GIVE of themselves (as opposed to what is forcibly TAKEN from them) and in what way, where and for whom! You certainly understand why forced conversions would be rejected by God as MEANINGLESS -but for some reason liberals in particular seem to think individuals being forced to pay for whatever government decides to call "good works" would be applauded by God. These are JUST as meaningless to God -and simply CALLING something a "good works" doesn't make it so. Liberals want government to use the money it confiscated from me to pay for the killing of unwanted unborn children. Think Jesus would approve of THAT one too? Just because government chooses to spend my money as it sees fit instead of the way I see fit -doesn't EVER make their decisions superior to my own or EVER mean it is more acceptable to God. It will NEVER relieve me of my own personal accountability with God one bit, not even one dime's worth. And what you don't get is the fact it also means YOU will get no brownie points toward your own salvation whatsoever for trying to foist off socialism on all the rest of us!!!

It is no coincidence that the very people who always insist Jesus would be this left-wing extremist nutjob if here today -are also the VERY same people who rejected His REAL message in the first place! Which begs the question why they feel this CONSTANT need to deceive others by misrepresenting what that real message was -in favor of spreading this kind of lying ass phony one instead.
 
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Wow, just when i thought the Democrats couldn't get anymore idiotic.

Don't kid yourself. They've been exactly this idiotic for a good while.

I never believed in reincarnation until today, when I watched four long-since-beaten-to-death asshole arguments rise from the dead and begin all over again. It's either reincarnation, or zombies.
 
Jesus encouraged people to care for one another.
Government force us to take care of people who are capable of caring for themselves.

See the difference?

No, I thought not. Idiot.

We are the government. See, I can make a statement and not call someone a name. It's really not hard to do CG. See the difference.

So don't you ever call anyone a name here again or you're a hypocrite.
 
Jesus encouraged people to care for one another.
Government force us to take care of people who are capable of caring for themselves.

See the difference?

No, I thought not. Idiot.

We are the government. See, I can make a statement and not call someone a name. It's really not hard to do CG. See the difference.

Perhaps it's not that it's hard to talk without calling names. Perhaps it's that it's hard to talk to YOU without WANTING to. I frankly have never seen the point. If you're enough of a jerkwad for me to call you one, why would I be trying to impress you with how nice I am by NOT saying it?
 
Jesus encouraged people to care for one another.
Government force us to take care of people who are capable of caring for themselves.

See the difference?

No, I thought not. Idiot.

We are the government. See, I can make a statement and not call someone a name. It's really not hard to do CG. See the difference.

Perhaps it's not that it's hard to talk without calling names. Perhaps it's that it's hard to talk to YOU without WANTING to. I frankly have never seen the point. If you're enough of a jerkwad for me to call you one, why would I be trying to impress you with how nice I am by NOT saying it?

Wry Catcher -claiming that "we" are the government has to be one of the PHONIEST arguments. Government is not a person and it is NOT a collection of people either. It is a soulless and faceless INSTITUTION. It is man's creation intended to SERVE man's purpose but it can never, ever be a living entity. Treating as if it were inevitably ends up harming the REAL people.

WE are not "government" and never will be because government's existence is not dependent on the existence of any particular person or people. If you died tonight -not only would government never even notice your passing, it wouldn't care. Unlike human beings, an INSTITUTION does not have feelings and no amount of faking it will change that.
 
You have rambled yourself into stating a paradox...if Jesus was an anarchist, he would not recognize any sovereignty or taxes.

The Pharisees tried to trick Jesus with their question: "Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Shall we give, or shall we not give?”

If He answered that it is not lawful, the Pharisees would have been able to arrest Him. If He answered that it is lawful then He would be discredited in the eyes of His followers.

Jesus outsmarted the Pharisees...he never answered, he posed a question:

“Why do you tempt me? Bring me a denarion, that I may see it.”

And he said, “Whose is this image and superscription?”

And they said, “Caesar’s.”

And Jesus said, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Jesus did not declare that people should pay taxes. Jesus declared that if something rightfully belongs to Caesar then return the property to Caesar. Caesar’s picture was a sign or seal that the coin might belong to Caesar.

Jesus was not a political anarchist in the modern sense of the term. It is a mistake to judge him in modern terms.

Jesus would have known the primary concern for the Romans was not religious conversion, they were usually tolerant in that regard, the Romans wanted their tax, their kickback. When confronted by the Pharisees Jesus would have also been aware that many Jews saw the very face of Caesar on a coin as a form of idolatry, this represented the spiritual conflict with Rome, which Rome frankly was ambivalent to until the great Jewish uprising. The Zealots resented any Roman interference and did not want to pay taxes. There are two conflicts for Jews manifested by the coin here. The material and the spiritual.

Jesus is saying both are irrelevant to God and the Kingdom of Heaven. His message is always large, not small and technical.

Jesus is not just talking just about taxation, he is talking about how the obsession with Roman domination, the violent call to resistance from the zealots and the religious fanaticism of fundamentalist Jews is just as much a diversion from the Kingdom of Heaven, which Jesus declares is within you not manifested by an outward theocratic state, as the Sadducee collaboration with the Romans is.

All politics for Jesus is a diversion from the Kingdom of Heaven.

He is a pure anarchist in that if one pursues in the Kingdom of Heaven the state, any state, is irrelevant to the purpose of life, to worshiping God and creating the only kingdom that matters, the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
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when are all the christians going to sell all their stuff and give the proceeds to the poor to then be poor themselves spreading the word of god?
 
They don't have to do that. The government has been quite busy taxing away much of what they earn.
 
JESUS THE FIRST SOCIALIST

Jesus healed the sick. (pre-existing conditions)
Jesus gave his life and right wingnuts and village idiots complain about having to give a few dollars they have because of blessings from GOD.
Jesus fed the poor. (welfare)
Jesus told his followers to give away all their possessions and follow him.
Jesus paid taxes.
Jesus fed the poor with fish and wine. (food banks)
GOD created the law of debt forgiveness every 7 years.
Gleaning was taking from the haves and giving to the have nots.
Jesus said take care of widows and orphans. (welfare)
Jesus provided for the "potter's" field to bury the poor.
GOD create "tithing" Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth of their belongings.
Muslims have a box in their home that they contribute to weekly and give to the government to give to the poor and all the poor has to do is come and ask for help. 1 Cor 16;2,3.

Jesus set an example for us to follow, but we follow in words only and not in deeds.
Future kingdom (government) ruled by Jesus will be free from war, ample food, comfortable housing for everyone, no sickness or death, justice and security that would put present government to shame as socialism.

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