I understand what you are saying, but that is not the impression I get.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.Because in many Instances... Like you see on this Thread from people like Ravi, it is simply an attack...
They know that Christians who Believe the Translations that are in EVERY Church in the Country are Accurate about Homosexuality are Emotionallly Involved in it and when someone Insistantly tries to Debunk it, over and over and over again yet spends NO time trying to Debunk other things in the Bible, it's Obvious what their Goal is.
Either Changing the Church or Agitating Christians who they can't Stand.
You will see Harsher Actions here Against Christians for not "Tolerating" Homosexuality than you will Islamists who Kill Homosexuals as a matter of Law in many ME Countries right here on this Messageboard.
It's Self-Evident.
peace...
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
This Thread was an Exercise... To see what Lengths people would go to Deny or Dismiss the Consistent Take in all Accepted Translations of the Bible regarding Homosexuality...
I am pro-Civil Union and Anti-Sodomy Laws...
I don't Care what Gay people do to a point...
When it Affects Marriage in Law, the Doctrine of ANY Church, or Public Schools and Young Children.
I Know that the Blood of Jesus Cleanses the Sin of Homosexuality...
But it does NOT Negate the Sin or make Homosexuality not longer a Sin.
A Homosexual has to Acknowledge the Sin in Accepted Christianity today and try to not Engage in that Sin if they want to be a part of say... The Catholic Church.
If they don't want to, they can start their own Church or go to another.
That is ALL I am trying to Illustrate.
But People like ravi and Bodecea want to Change the Church, they don't want to JOIN it....
Understand?
peace...
Hmmmm. As it has been a long time since I had any religious instruction, I still recall a few things from it.Well, I looked at the point made, not the person making the point. To me, it's irrelevant whether she personally does that or not. The point is still a good one.Ravi has called People on an Anonymous Messageboard "Liars" and "Cowards" more than anyone else and you really Beleive what she just said about herself?...
By the way, she said "Faith in Humanity"...
Amen, we have an Linguini Verified.
peace...
I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
I understand what you are saying, but that is not the impression I get.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
This Thread was an Exercise... To see what Lengths people would go to Deny or Dismiss the Consistent Take in all Accepted Translations of the Bible regarding Homosexuality...
I am pro-Civil Union and Anti-Sodomy Laws...
I don't Care what Gay people do to a point...
When it Affects Marriage in Law, the Doctrine of ANY Church, or Public Schools and Young Children.
I Know that the Blood of Jesus Cleanses the Sin of Homosexuality...
But it does NOT Negate the Sin or make Homosexuality not longer a Sin.
A Homosexual has to Acknowledge the Sin in Accepted Christianity today and try to not Engage in that Sin if they want to be a part of say... The Catholic Church.
If they don't want to, they can start their own Church or go to another.
That is ALL I am trying to Illustrate.
But People like ravi and Bodecea want to Change the Church, they don't want to JOIN it....
Understand?
peace...
Yes, I DO get the impression that they are unreasonably critical of Christianity, when there are MUCH bigger targets out there.
And, the rights granted the religious and religions in this country are guaranteed by the Constitution - a distillation of it is "live and let live". They can ***** and moan about just Christianity, and without at least a 10-fold bitching and moaning about religions who kill gays, it falls on deaf ears.
The Church can do as they please and that is none of their or the government's ******* business, as long as it is within the law.
Tough shit is the best response for that. If they want the law to do something about that, then they should move to Iran, or any other theocracy.
Where did I say he was?Difference being, I look at Jesus as someone to affirm my faith in humanity and a greater purpose. You look at Jesus as someone to affirm your bigotry.^Most Ironic Post of the Day.
peace...
Wrong. I look at Jesus as God speaking to humanity. God came to earth and spoke to us as a man. Jesus wasn't some moronic mystic, dear.
Hmmmm. As it has been a long time since I had any religious instruction, I still recall a few things from it.
I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" rings a bell with me.
And, as I hear the Lord's prayer quite a bit, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
Oh well, I guess I got it wrong. But, I sorta like what I DO recall from it.
Embrace sin?Hmmmm. As it has been a long time since I had any religious instruction, I still recall a few things from it.I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" rings a bell with me.
And, as I hear the Lord's prayer quite a bit, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
Oh well, I guess I got it wrong. But, I sorta like what I DO recall from it.
You are Correct... And we are Supposed to Raise our Children to NOT Sin...
How do we Determine what that is as to Illustrate it if not be what is Written?...
And we are Certainly NOT supposed to Embrace Sin or give it Sanction in Marriage as Equal to Man and Wife...
^Based on the MANY Translations of the Bible of course.
peace...
Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.
Because in many Instances... Like you see on this Thread from people like Ravi, it is simply an attack...
They know that Christians who Believe the Translations that are in EVERY Church in the Country are Accurate about Homosexuality are Emotionallly Involved in it and when someone Insistantly tries to Debunk it, over and over and over again yet spends NO time trying to Debunk other things in the Bible, it's Obvious what their Goal is.
Either Changing the Church or Agitating Christians who they can't Stand.
You will see Harsher Actions here Against Christians for not "Tolerating" Homosexuality than you will Islamists who Kill Homosexuals as a matter of Law in many ME Countries right here on this Messageboard.
It's Self-Evident.
peace...
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Embrace sin?Hmmmm. As it has been a long time since I had any religious instruction, I still recall a few things from it.
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" rings a bell with me.
And, as I hear the Lord's prayer quite a bit, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
Oh well, I guess I got it wrong. But, I sorta like what I DO recall from it.
You are Correct... And we are Supposed to Raise our Children to NOT Sin...
How do we Determine what that is as to Illustrate it if not be what is Written?...
And we are Certainly NOT supposed to Embrace Sin or give it Sanction in Marriage as Equal to Man and Wife...
^Based on the MANY Translations of the Bible of course.
peace...
Who wants you to be gay?
And, so the **** what if THEY sin?
Live and let live.
Well, I looked at the point made, not the person making the point. To me, it's irrelevant whether she personally does that or not. The point is still a good one.Ravi has called People on an Anonymous Messageboard "Liars" and "Cowards" more than anyone else and you really Beleive what she just said about herself?...
By the way, she said "Faith in Humanity"...
Amen, we have an Linguini Verified.
peace...
I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
You are so dense.
Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.Because in many Instances... Like you see on this Thread from people like Ravi, it is simply an attack...
They know that Christians who Believe the Translations that are in EVERY Church in the Country are Accurate about Homosexuality are Emotionallly Involved in it and when someone Insistantly tries to Debunk it, over and over and over again yet spends NO time trying to Debunk other things in the Bible, it's Obvious what their Goal is.
Either Changing the Church or Agitating Christians who they can't Stand.
You will see Harsher Actions here Against Christians for not "Tolerating" Homosexuality than you will Islamists who Kill Homosexuals as a matter of Law in many ME Countries right here on this Messageboard.
It's Self-Evident.
peace...
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Well, maybe not. It's probably illegal in many Muslim countries.
In other words, Islam does not affect our COUNTRY and most of us are more concerned with our country where we have a voice as to what happens.
But that is straying from the topic.
Banning gay marriage on a very tenuous condemnation from the Bible is pretty unAmerican.
I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
I do think SOME do want laws based on the bible. But, maybe I am naive, I think most value the founding principles of the country.Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.Because in many Instances... Like you see on this Thread from people like Ravi, it is simply an attack...
They know that Christians who Believe the Translations that are in EVERY Church in the Country are Accurate about Homosexuality are Emotionallly Involved in it and when someone Insistantly tries to Debunk it, over and over and over again yet spends NO time trying to Debunk other things in the Bible, it's Obvious what their Goal is.
Either Changing the Church or Agitating Christians who they can't Stand.
You will see Harsher Actions here Against Christians for not "Tolerating" Homosexuality than you will Islamists who Kill Homosexuals as a matter of Law in many ME Countries right here on this Messageboard.
It's Self-Evident.
peace...
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Well, maybe not. It's probably illegal in many Muslim countries.
In other words, Islam does not affect our COUNTRY and most of us are more concerned with our country where we have a voice as to what happens.
But that is straying from the topic.
Banning gay marriage on a very tenuous condemnation from the Bible is pretty unAmerican.
Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.Because in many Instances... Like you see on this Thread from people like Ravi, it is simply an attack...
They know that Christians who Believe the Translations that are in EVERY Church in the Country are Accurate about Homosexuality are Emotionallly Involved in it and when someone Insistantly tries to Debunk it, over and over and over again yet spends NO time trying to Debunk other things in the Bible, it's Obvious what their Goal is.
Either Changing the Church or Agitating Christians who they can't Stand.
You will see Harsher Actions here Against Christians for not "Tolerating" Homosexuality than you will Islamists who Kill Homosexuals as a matter of Law in many ME Countries right here on this Messageboard.
It's Self-Evident.
peace...
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Well, maybe not. It's probably illegal in many Muslim countries.
In other words, Islam does not affect our COUNTRY and most of us are more concerned with our country where we have a voice as to what happens.
But that is straying from the topic.
Banning gay marriage on a very tenuous condemnation from the Bible is pretty unAmerican.
If our laws ever get based on Sharia law I will object to them in the same way if they conflict with the constitution. As of now, it is only used in arbitration courts and has no bearing on the actual law. Just like Jewish law.I do think SOME do want laws based on the bible. But, maybe I am naive, I think most value the founding principles of the country.Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Well, maybe not. It's probably illegal in many Muslim countries.
In other words, Islam does not affect our COUNTRY and most of us are more concerned with our country where we have a voice as to what happens.
But that is straying from the topic.
Banning gay marriage on a very tenuous condemnation from the Bible is pretty unAmerican.
I honestly don't know. We also have a hell of a lot of Muslims here and many don't stop trying to push sharia law into our laws, in case you haven't noticed. And, FYI, sharia law is based on Islam and most Islamic countries have their holy book running the show.
I am no fan of the religious right because I am have too much libertarian in me. Hate that shit.
But, I also am not a fan of those who refuse to call a spade a spade, regardless of source.
Dude? You sound like someone from the pre-civil war era saying that slavery was justified under our constitution.Maybe the point you are missing, Si, is that Christianity is often called the basis for our country. Making laws based on the Bible is why Christians get slammed over it. If we were a Muslim country, it would be Muslims that got slammed.To the bolded: I couldn't agree more on that.
But, Ravi just brought up an excellent point - too many use their interpretation of the bible (or the interpretations of the bible which they were taught) to justify their bigotry against homosexuals. And, honestly, I don't deny anyone a right to their bigotry. Just as my right to ridicule their bigotry should never be denied, as well.
But, to your bolded, I see THAT way too much, too. And, it's not just on this board.
It's ridiculous. Now, not being all that faithful, and certainly not of any organized faith (I just believe there is something bigger than I and omnipotent), if I am going to compare how humane religions, or the majority of their practioners are, I'd certainly view most religions of the judeo-christian-type as folks who are the best bet for me to hang with and to hang with them in this country, if I were a homosexual.
Yet, somehow Christians get the lack of tolerance for some of their bigotry, rather than Muslims who are not just bigots, they kill. That makes no sense.
Unless.....someone has some sort o score to settle with their religion of their childhood.
I was raised RC, but never ever got into it - just always looked at it as a bunch of cool stories. Since I can recall, I never bought any of it. So, when old enough, I just left it. No hard feelings at all. So, I tend to think I can look at it objectively, moreso than some who might have some bitter or even horrific experiences with their church.
And, I digress again.....
Well, maybe not. It's probably illegal in many Muslim countries.
In other words, Islam does not affect our COUNTRY and most of us are more concerned with our country where we have a voice as to what happens.
But that is straying from the topic.
Banning gay marriage on a very tenuous condemnation from the Bible is pretty unAmerican.
You can't ban something that never was. Same-sex marriage has never been legal in the USA until recently.
Hmmmm. As it has been a long time since I had any religious instruction, I still recall a few things from it.
I don't Agree that Jesus is about Faith in Humanity... I Think it's Absurd point that she Thought Sounded good when she Posted it.
It really makes NO Sense in Releation to Jesus and the Bible.
Faith in Humanity is what Christianity is all about?...
Wow.
peace...
"Love thy neighbor as thyself" rings a bell with me.
And, as I hear the Lord's prayer quite a bit, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
Oh well, I guess I got it wrong. But, I sorta like what I DO recall from it.
See, I didn't think you wanted to force the churches to do something they don't want to do. IMO, that's just as un-American as denying equality under the law.
