Jeb Bush Isn't a Conservative?

[Toro]

Conspiracy threads are in the conspiracy Forum


btw, know what the commodity market is?

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Hannity falsely suggested only "liberals" oppose coastal oil drilling
Research May 6, 2005
Fox News host Sean Hannity falsely suggested that only "liberals" have opposed proposals to drill for oil in United States coastal waters. On the May 5 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity declared that a major "problem" with the U.S. energy supply is that "liberals in this country ... won't allow us to drill off the shores of the coast of California or Florida, the Great Lakes, national parks, designated areas, the 48 states, anywhere." In fact, Republican presidents and governors have also opposed coastal drilling: President George H.W. Bushenacted a moratorium banning coastal drilling, President George W. Bush and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush bothopposed plans to drill off the coast of Florida, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger opposes coastal drilling in California.

Contrary to Hannity's suggestion that only "liberals" oppose coastal drilling, it was a Republican president who first placed the ban on such drilling still in effect today. The presidential moratorium on coastal drilling, which "applies to virtually all the coasts" was "first imposed by President Bush in June 1990," as CNN.com notedwhen then-President Bill Clinton extended the moratorium on June 12, 1998. The moratorium applies to all "new federal unleased areas" [Los Angeles Times 4/25/05].

Further, the current President Bush blocked coastal drilling in Florida. In 2002, Bush reached a deal to "buy out mineral rights in the cypress swamps of the Everglades and off the white-sand beaches of the Gulf of Mexico" on Florida's coast [The Washington Post, 5/30/02]. The Washington Post reported that the deal "could ... provide a political boost" to the reelection hopes of his brother Jeb, who called the move "good public policy";The New York Times also reported that Gov. Bush acknowledged that it was "likely to help his re-election campaign."

Schwarzenegger has steadfastly opposed coastal drilling in California; in an April 4 letter to members of Congress, "California Resources Secretary Mike Chrisman said the state is against 'any effort to lift the congressional moratorium on offshore oil and gas leasing activities'" [Los Angeles Times, 4/25/05].

The Bush administration has flip-flopped on protecting California's coastal areas from drilling. After

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

That is wrong.

The primary driver of the economy in Florida is tourism. Oil spills don't mix well with beautiful white sand beaches and azure waters of the Florida coast. Many conservative business people understand and oppose offshore drilling for this reason. I have a property near where the tar came onto the beach. Many small businesses went under due to BP. BP is still personae non grata in parts around here.

Okay then...again according to your logic, all offshore drilling should be terminated.

No.

Conservative business people in FL do a simple cost-benefit analysis and don't want offshore drilling because it's not in their economic interest. Business people do the same thing in LA MS and TX and decide they want offshore drilling because it is in their economic interest.

I hope this lesson in Business 101 helped.

 

[gipper]

Sure, just like there is a Flame Forum for flames and trolls.

Commodity Market, wow, I wonder if you know what power the President of the United States has, or the power of a governor like the state of Florida, of course facts such as Bush banning drilling off the Coast of Florida would effect the Commodity Market, would it not. Or in your tiny mind do you know not see the damage that Republicans cause with their failed Energy Policies.

Dante, you are the problem with the USA, blind-faith and willful ignorance, if I am to be nice.

The Bush family are Democrats at best, big government double talkers.

Hannity falsely suggested only liberals oppose coastal oil drilling Research Media Matters for America

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

That is wrong.

The primary driver of the economy in Florida is tourism. Oil spills don't mix well with beautiful white sand beaches and azure waters of the Florida coast. Many conservative business people understand and oppose offshore drilling for this reason. I have a property near where the tar came onto the beach. Many small businesses went under due to BP. BP is still personae non grata in parts around here.

Okay then...again according to your logic, all offshore drilling should be terminated.

No.

Conservative business people in FL do a simple cost-benefit analysis and don't want offshore drilling because it's not in their economic interest. Business people do the same thing in LA MS and TX and decide they want offshore drilling because it is in their economic interest.

I hope this lesson in Business 101 helped.

So a ban on drilling should only apply to Florida???

 

[Toro]

Many conservatives don't want offshore drilling in Florida either. The BP disaster is why.

Applying your logic...offshore drilling should be eliminated entirely, because a disaster might occur.

That is wrong.

The primary driver of the economy in Florida is tourism. Oil spills don't mix well with beautiful white sand beaches and azure waters of the Florida coast. Many conservative business people understand and oppose offshore drilling for this reason. I have a property near where the tar came onto the beach. Many small businesses went under due to BP. BP is still personae non grata in parts around here.

Okay then...again according to your logic, all offshore drilling should be terminated.

No.

Conservative business people in FL do a simple cost-benefit analysis and don't want offshore drilling because it's not in their economic interest. Business people do the same thing in LA MS and TX and decide they want offshore drilling because it is in their economic interest.

I hope this lesson in Business 101 helped.

So a ban on drilling should only apply to Florida???

It should be up to the people in the state.

There is drilling in FL. But there isn't offshore.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

He's a Bush, so by definition he's a Statist and will only hasten America's slide toward European Socialism.

My opinion is that the entire family is evil: his Dad was CIA Director and tried to assassinate Reagan for not playing ball with the Establishment and Dubya took a "terrorist attack" and turned American into a police state. Jeb? Really? How fucking stupid do you have to be to think anything good can come of another Bush Presidency?

That's pretty nutty, Frank.

No. Not really and I wasn't calling you any names.

The Bush Family is Evil, they sold their souls to the Devil in exchange for fame and political power and the Devil loves to double down on a winning hand.

The day Reagan was shot, Hinckleys brother had dinner plans with Neil Bush. Seriously? That's a coincidence? That's not sending a message?

I have a visceral hatred toward the Bush Clan. If Dante were still handing out seats to the Inferno the Bushes would be down with Judas, Brutus and Cassius.

Again, no offense meant to you my brother

Be well

Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Back in 2008 Hillary wasn't liberal enough for the Democratic party and now some on the left are pushing Warren to run for President someone who is at least as far to the left if not farther than Obama and is now the measuring stick for what a true liberal is. Interesting that the left also has it's definition of who is or isn't a true liberal.

actually you are wrong. Hillary wasn't Black and she wasn't anti-war

left has nothing to do with liberal

now go take a walk

Actually that is nothing more than your opinion which despite your over inflated sense of self importance means no more than anyone else's. I have already been to the gym and did 25 minutes on the treadmill at an incline 11.0 and a speed of 4.4 so I'm good.

I find most gym rats to be insecure and small minded persons. Hope you're different

I don't know what you consider a gym rat I go three times a week. I started going because as I neared 40 I was 5ft 9 and 200 pounds my reasons were for health not insecurity.

blackhawk
You're different and I apologize for any insult

 

[blackhawk]

Back in 2008 Hillary wasn't liberal enough for the Democratic party and now some on the left are pushing Warren to run for President someone who is at least as far to the left if not farther than Obama and is now the measuring stick for what a true liberal is. Interesting that the left also has it's definition of who is or isn't a true liberal.

actually you are wrong. Hillary wasn't Black and she wasn't anti-war

left has nothing to do with liberal

now go take a walk

Actually that is nothing more than your opinion which despite your over inflated sense of self importance means no more than anyone else's. I have already been to the gym and did 25 minutes on the treadmill at an incline 11.0 and a speed of 4.4 so I'm good.

I find most gym rats to be insecure and small minded persons. Hope you're different

I don't know what you consider a gym rat I go three times a week. I started going because as I neared 40 I was 5ft 9 and 200 pounds my reasons were for health not insecurity.

blackhawk
You're different and I apologize for any insult

No insult was taken I see a lot of people in there that fit the discerption you gave.

 

[paulitician]

Being criticized by Communists/Progressives for being 'Too Conservative', does not necessarily a Conservative make. I'm pretty sure anything slightly to the right of far Left Communist/Progressive loons, would be considered 'Conservative' to them. So just because Communists call Bush a 'Conservative', doesn't mean it's so.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Being criticized by Communists/Progressives for being 'Too Conservative', does not necessarily a Conservative make. I'm pretty sure anything slightly to the right of far Left Communist/Progressive loons, would be considered 'Conservative' to them. So just because Communists call Bush a 'Conservative', doesn't mean it's so.

Earth to paulitician , come in? We seem to have lost you... come in?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Warren is a good Senator and Jeb is his own person.

We the people should have the right to vote for anyone we want and as many times as we want. And what is up with sins-of-the-father nonsense? That is so illiberal, undemocratic, and unAmerican. LOL

Warren is a pile of shit, and Jeb isn't much better.

I don't think the democrats will succeed in naming Bush as the GOP nominee, but it clearly is the top priority for the party.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes agree, you would honestly consider voting for Bush IIII

Of course he wouldn't, but he REALLY wants the Republicans to nominate him...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Warren is a good Senator and Jeb is his own person.

We the people should have the right to vote for anyone we want and as many times as we want. And what is up with sins-of-the-father nonsense? That is so illiberal, undemocratic, and unAmerican. LOL

Warren is a pile of shit, and Jeb isn't much better.

I don't think the democrats will succeed in naming Bush as the GOP nominee, but it clearly is the top priority for the party.

*sigh*​

 

[JakeStarkey]

Being criticized by Fascist Conservatives for being 'Too Liberal', does not necessarily a Liberal make. I'm pretty sure anything slightly to the left of far right Fascist Conservative loons, would be considered 'Liberal' to them. So just because Fascist Conservatives call Bush a 'Liberal', doesn't mean it's so.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Starkey hopes Liz Warren runs...as a Republican

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

Bush is as conservative as it gets -- he's just not a radical or reactionary. After all, he's Barbara's son

Yes agree, you would honestly consider voting for Bush IIII

Of course. As a liberal Dante considers all credible and qualified candidates given that there exists no major disqualification. If politics is the art of compromise as Dante truly believes it is, then it behooves him to at least consider JEB

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Yes agree, you would honestly consider voting for Bush IIII

Of course he wouldn't, but he REALLY wants the Republicans to nominate him...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

thereisnospoon

That he is not considered so by many just shows how rigidly lock-step the Republican base has become with their check-the-box, unimaginative mentality.

Here are two articles recently about Bush's time as governor. He certainly was never criticized as being "too moderate" when he was governor.

Who s a Conservative Jeb Bush Is About to Find Out - Bloomberg Politics

What Kind of Republican is Bush His Time as Governor Offers Clues - WSJ

My outlook on Jeb Bush is it is likely he shares the same political beliefs of George W. Bush and George HW Bush..Both right leaning populist

Populist? Bush's are Tea Party types?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course. As a liberal Dante considers all credible and qualified candidates given that there exists no major disqualification. If politics is the art of compromise as Dante truly believes it is, then it behooves him to at least consider JEB

For the GOP to nominate Jeb, would secure the election for the dims. There is no upside to such a move for the GOP. No one suggested banning Jeb - just that for the GOP to nominate him is suicide.

In 2012, I said that Mitt Romney was uniquely qualified to lose to Obama. Very few of the other GOP candidates could have successfully lost the election. In 2016, Jeb is uniquely qualified to lose. IF the GOP wishes to lose, them by all means run Jeb.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I think the problem is how you define Conservative.

If you define conservative as "Making sure the system favors the rich over the working guy, every fucking time", then Jeb is absolutely a conservative.

If you define conservative as "Wanting too keep America White, Straight and Christian and playing on your fears", no, he isn't that guy. he'll probably pretend to be that guy like Romney and McCain did.

A great example is the illegal immigration issue. The True Masters of the Conservative Movement WANT illegal immigration. They want a work force that will work for shit wages in awful conditions. So naturally, Bush is totaly taking the Chamber of Commerce position on it.

Of course, the rank and file who hate gays and Mexicans just like Jesus will have none of this. SO watch for Jeb to stop talking about it pretty soon and hiding his Mexican Wife in a closet somewhere.

Oh please spare us the class envy shit......it's dead. Nobody cares

The Super Wealthy use class to divide us all the time. Then there are people who are duped into being shills for the upper classes

 

[Uncensored2008]

Populist? Bush's are Tea Party types?

Utter nonsense, you know better than this.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

He's a Bush. He's a Statist scumbag and a member of one of the most evil American families since the Mansons

Remember his brother was a "Compassionate" Conservative?

Yeah. Who needs compassion? That's just evil because it might just cost you a few cents out of your tax dollars.

"Compassion" is a euphemism for "spend like there's no tomorrow."

How does it feel being a shill for the Super wealthy? I know it doesn't pay well and they'd never allow you into any of their clubs except through the service entrance -- on your knees