JD Vance insults Europe

[jc456]

AndJD Vance, Traitor Carlson and Trump promoting facism.

You really aren’t handling your loss well. You should get help

 

[Monoculturalist]

You made all of that up.

not on postwar German chancellor was ever a Nazi.

Nazis are a banned party, something you object to.

Then you say this:

“Authoritarianism has always been a problem for a lot of Europe”

In defense of a Trump fool advocating right wing authoritarianism.

“and it's a lot easier to engage in when you pretend that you're doing it in the name of "tolerance."”

And offering this total inversion as an excuse for promoting authortarians.

of course, this is the same false premise on which Musk’s hypocritical claims about “freedom of speech”.

Of course, this kind of thinking is pure Trump.

The advocates of the rule of law and democracy are the real secret enemies.

And the way to combat them is to reject democracy and law and embrace the dictator.

Trump logic.

A real threat to democracy and the western world.

Tim... I guess you don't understand metaphors. I was referring to the authoritarians running Germany today as being Nazis in their behavior. They may not officially be Nazis, but their tactics are similar.

And yes, I am against banning parties -- even Communist ones. The Nazi party should still be allowed in Germany just as it is here. However, we pushed Germany to ban it, and unfortunately, that opened the door to ban other parties there. The same would be true here if we started banning parties.

If you want to claim your society is free, then you have to allow all parties in your political system.

I hear a lot of people characterize Trump as "right wing authoritarian", but give me an example of this in policy by him. His focus right now is securing the border and cutting government waste. Border security is a core component of any stable government, and cutting waste is beneficial to the public.

Rule of law is morally neutral. So is democracy. While in power, Nazis had rule of law. In Indonesia, they have democracy, and the public in Aceh supports corporal punishment against homosexuality. So, you can say whatever you want about "rule of law" and "democracy", but what actually matters is what either of those actually supports in any given context.

Trump isn't a dictator, just like Bush wasn't. To be fair, Obama and Biden weren't dictators either. Drop the strawman already.

 

[jc456]

Tim... I guess you don't understand metaphors. I was referring to the authoritarians running Germany today as being Nazis in their behavior. They may not officially be Nazis, but their tactics are similar.

And yes, I am against banning parties -- even Communist ones. The Nazi party should still be allowed in Germany just as it is here. However, we pushed Germany to ban it, and unfortunately, that opened the door to ban other parties there. The same would be true here if we started banning parties.

If you want to claim your society is free, then you have to allow all parties in your political system.

I hear a lot of people characterize Trump as "right wing authoritarian", but give me an example of this in policy by him. His focus right now is securing the border and cutting government waste. Border security is a core component of any stable government, and cutting waste is beneficial to the public.

Rule of law is morally neutral. So is democracy. While in power, Nazis had rule of law. In Indonesia, they have democracy, and the public in Aceh supports corporal punishment against homosexuality. So, you can say whatever you want about "rule of law" and "democracy", but what actually matters is what either of those actually supports in any given context.

Trump isn't a dictator, just like Bush wasn't. To be fair, Obama and Biden weren't dictators either. Drop the strawman already.

It’s obvious Timmy isn’t for freedom, he wants to shut everything down

 

[Redfish]

We spend less than 1% of our budget on foreign aid.

Your claims are false.

But your claims do reflect the uninformed nonsense that jingoistic American isolationists tell one another.
They are ancient, false stereotypes.

so do you support USAID giving millions to Chelsea Clinton? Fo lunches for kids in Africa when only a tiny % actually went to those kids.

 

[Meathead]

This administration is going to piss off the entire world, leaving us vulnerable to all kinds of attacks. This country made a mistake in November and yet the right-wingers here think they have done something great.

Vance Tells Europeans to Stop Shunning Parties Deemed Extreme​

Vice President JD Vance told European leaders on Friday that their biggest security threat was not military aggression from Russia or China, or election meddling from Moscow. Rather, he said, it was what he called “the enemy within” — their own suppression of abortion protests and other forms of free speech and the sidelining of parties considered extremist.

The address stunned and silenced hundreds of attendees at the Munich Security Conference, a forum where top-level politicians, diplomats and analysts had gathered expecting to hear the Trump administration’s plans for ending the war in Ukraine and Europe’s defense against a rising Russian threat in the future.

Instead, the vice president offered what may be a preview of a new kind of trans-Atlantic relationship under Mr. Trump — one not built on postwar bonds of stability between allied governments, but rather on ties between once-fringe political parties that share a common approach to migration, identity and internet speech.

Mr. Vance singled out his German hosts, who will elect a new chancellor next weekend, and told them to drop their objections to working with a party that has often reveled in banned Nazi slogans and has been shunned from government as a result.

It was an extraordinary intervention in the domestic politics of a democratic American ally, and it brought some gasps in the hall.

Vance Tells Europeans to Stop Shunning Parties Deemed Extreme

Vice President JD Vance told European leaders on Friday that their biggest security threat was not military aggression from Russia

wol.com

Lefties love the term "speaking truth to power".

This is an actual case instead of the rantings of the AOCs of this world.

 

[el midgetron]

 

[el midgetron]

 

[Rambunctious]

We spend less than 1% of our budget on foreign aid.

Your claims are false.

But your claims do reflect the uninformed nonsense that jingoistic American isolationists tell one another.
They are ancient, false stereotypes.

What is 1 percent of 3 trillion dollars per year?.... don't listen to the bullshit... if you are broke and can't pay your rent do you go and buy a new pair of Nike's because they are just 1 percent of your bills?... stop falling for the lies man... we are 37 trillion in debt. the interest alone each year is more than our annual military budget...
And I don't believe for a second that its only 1 percent that's a lie... we have no clue just how much is being spent... at least not yet... go DOGE!!!

 

[TimFitz]

Can you name how they help us?

They not only supported us in Afghanistan, and carried most of that burden after Bush lost interest and started ramping up for his war in Iraq.

Troops from European countries have fought alongside Americans in every war since WWII.

 

[TimFitz]

What is 1 percent of 3 trillion dollars per year?.... don't listen to the bullshit... if you are broke and can't pay your rent do you go and buy a new pair of Nike's because they are just 1 percent of your bills?... stop falling for the lies man... we are 37 trillion in debt. the interest alone each year is more than our annual military budget...
And I don't believe for a second that it’s only 1 percent that's a lie... we have no clue just how much is being spent... at least not yet... go DOGE!!!

What lies?

We do not spend heavily on foreign aid. Dispite the widely held belief that we do.

What the data says about U.S. foreign aid

The $71.9 billion in foreign aid that the government spent in fiscal year 2023 works out to 1.2% of that year’s total federal spending.

www.pewresearch.org

What every American should know about US foreign aid

George Ingram provides explanations for popular myths surrounding U.S. foreign aid policy and its impacts.

www.brookings.edu

As Trump tries to slash US foreign aid, here are 3 common myths many Americans mistakenly believe about it

The United States spends very little on foreign aid relative to the size of its economy.

theconversation.com

It sucks to have one of isolationism’s most cherished myths exploded.

Oh,Neither your beloved fuhrer or his paymaster give one good damn about debt.

 

[Rambunctious]

What lies?

We do not spend heavily on foreign aid. Dispite the widely held belief that we do.

What the data says about U.S. foreign aid

The $71.9 billion in foreign aid that the government spent in fiscal year 2023 works out to 1.2% of that year’s total federal spending.

www.pewresearch.org

What every American should know about US foreign aid

George Ingram provides explanations for popular myths surrounding U.S. foreign aid policy and its impacts.

www.brookings.edu

As Trump tries to slash US foreign aid, here are 3 common myths many Americans mistakenly believe about it

The United States spends very little on foreign aid relative to the size of its economy.

theconversation.com

It sucks to have one of isolationism’s most cherished myths exploded.

Oh,Neither your beloved fuhrer or his paymaster give one good damn about debt.

You didn't answer my question... what is one percent of three trillion... and that is every year... the so called news links you posted only take the word of... you guessed it government statisticians... and stop with the isolationist crap... you get that from MSNBC... don't you think for yourself?... you may want to try it... we are not isolationists because we want the best for Americans....
When you went to the Nazi tag of fuhrer I knew you were not an intelligent person... right away you get a tough question so you turn to insulting people...

 

[Kondor3]

legal immigrants have always been welcome here. emphasis on LEGAL Although there was a time in the 1920s when we stopped all immigration so that the ones already here could assimilate and become Americans. It may be time to revisit that policy.

Exactly... a 20- or 30-year -long Moratorium on Immigration has become appropriate...

 

[BackAgain]

Insult Europe you say? OK. Let’s get started:

“Hey, Europe, you candy ass morons. Give free speech a try!”

Go ahead. Top that, JD.

 

[jc456]

They not only supported us in Afghanistan, and carried most of that burden after Bush lost interest and started ramping up for his war in Iraq.

Troops from European countries have fought alongside Americans in every war since WWII.

Yawn, so nothing

 

[TimFitz]

Tim... I guess you don't understand metaphors. I was referring to the authoritarians running Germany today as being Nazis in their behavior. They may not officially be Nazis, but their tactics are similar.

And yes, I am against banning parties -- even Communist ones. The Nazi party should still be allowed in Germany just as it is here. However, we pushed Germany to ban it, and unfortunately, that opened the door to ban other parties there. The same would be true here if we started banning parties.

If you want to claim your society is free, then you have to allow all parties in your political system.

I hear a lot of people characterize Trump as "right wing authoritarian", but give me an example of this in policy by him. His focus right now is securing the border and cutting government waste. Border security is a core component of any stable government, and cutting waste is beneficial to the public.

Rule of law is morally neutral. So is democracy. While in power, Nazis had rule of law. In Indonesia, they have democracy, and the public in Aceh supports corporal punishment against homosexuality. So, you can say whatever you want about "rule of law" and "democracy", but what actually matters is what either of those actually supports in any given context.

Trump isn't a dictator, just like Bush wasn't. To be fair, Obama and Biden weren't dictators either. Drop the strawman already.

I don’t know where you get the idea that Germany didn’t ban political parties before now.

Trump is behaving exactly like a right wing authoritarian right now.

He is trying to sideline Congress so he can rule by decree.

He's claiming that he has the authority to unilaterally revoke the will of Congress, and spend and reallocate funds. He has no authority to do any of these things.

 

[TimFitz]

Insult Europe you say? OK. Let’s get started:

“Hey, Europe, you candy ass morons. Give free speech a try!”

Go ahead. Top that, JD.

Stupid. But JD still has you beat.

 

[TimFitz]

You didn't answer my question... what is one percent of three trillion... and that is every year... the so called news links you posted only take the word of... you guessed it government statisticians... and stop with the isolationist crap... you get that from MSNBC... don't you think for yourself?... you may want to try it... we are not isolationists because we want the best for Americans....
When you went to the Nazi tag of fuhrer I knew you were not an intelligent person... right away you get a tough question so you turn to insulting people...

No, I got the isolationist crap right from your mouth.

 

[Rambunctious]

No, I got the isolationist crap right from your mouth.

Have a nice four years light weight...

 

[Nostra]

We spend less than 1% of our budget on foreign aid.

Your claims are false.

But your claims do reflect the uninformed nonsense that jingoistic American isolationists tell one another.
They are ancient, false stereotypes.

Show me foreign aid in the Constitution.

 

[jc456]

I don’t know where you get the idea that Germany didn’t ban political parties before now.

Trump is behaving exactly like a right wing authoritarian right now.

He is trying to sideline Congress so he can rule by decree.

He's claiming that he has the authority to unilaterally revoke the will of Congress, and spend and reallocate funds. He has no authority to do any of these things.

Blah blah blah