Here's what instigated the riot :If your nebulous point is that somehow Pelosi invited the attack; well, you're full of shit but then again....you know that already.
Mulling around in a peaceful protest.
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Here's what instigated the riot :If your nebulous point is that somehow Pelosi invited the attack; well, you're full of shit but then again....you know that already.
Bowser had no bearing on Trump’s “request” for NG of his Sec of DefenseWe need the House to sort thru the bullshit and nail the ones responsible for denying the two EARLY requests for the NG.
You need to be able to distinguish between NG requests BEFORE J6 and those made during J6.
The FACT that Irving made the call NOT to request the NG as Sund requested, based on Pelosi's policy proves what happened to Sund's early NG request. What is murkier is what happened to Trump's early "Fill the request" order. Did Bowser request the NG and then changed her mind?
Supposedly?SUND supposedly requested Irving ask for NG support. It went no further.
Bowser had no bearing on Trump’s “request” for NG of his Sec of Defense
The Capitol Police Board didn’t think they’d be necessary. We never needed the National Guard to defend Congress from the losing party before.I think we can agree that we need the House to have a hearing on why the NG was NOT deployed as requested by BOTH Sund and Trump. If Trump nixed them, that is bad. If Pelosi and Bowser nixed them, that is bad.
Pelosi has no authority over the NG. Defense of the country and its institutions is an executive duty.I think we can agree that we need the House to have a hearing on why the NG was NOT deployed as requested by BOTH Sund and Trump. If Trump nixed them, that is bad. If Pelosi and Bowser nixed them, that is bad.
It was already a riot well before then.Here's what instigated the riot :
Learn how to read before posting lies.Bowser had no bearing on Trump’s “request” for NG of his Sec of Defense. None
SUND supposedly requested Irving ask for NG support. It went no further.
Irving had no authority to demand OR deny it in any case
Sund made the request to activate the National Guard two days before the attack, but said he believes Irving denied the request after consulting with Stenger."
I have one link in this thread that links to a .pdf of the Capitol Police timeline. That is the only link Lesh can be referring to. It shows 4 requests.One of Eletra’s link had SUND quoted saying he had not requested NG
Pelosi was responsible for security of the Capitol. She supervised Sgt. at Arms Irving, who was lead of the Capitol Police Board, who supervise the Capitol Police. They can "request" the DC NG if they want to. Same with Mayor Bowser. She can "request" the NG if she wants to. Someone requested the NG because Trump is quoted as saying "fill the request".Pelosi has no authority over the NG. Defense of the country and its institutions is an executive duty.
“No one requested it” is far different from denying it (which none of these people had the authority to do).Supposedly?
None?
Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.
Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.
Like Sund, Irving and Stenger have also since resigned their posts.
Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.
Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.
During Wednesday's violence, Bowser requested, and received, a limited force of 340 from the D.C. National Guard. Those troops were unarmed and their job was to help with traffic flow — not law enforcement, which was meant to be handled by D.C. police.
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Sund says during a conference call with several law enforcement officials at about 2:26 p.m., he asked the Pentagon to provide backup.
Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported.
Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots
Steven Sund contradicts reports that help was not requested, saying security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed calls for assistance ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol.www.npr.org
DURING THE RIOTI have one link in this thread that links to a .pdf of the Capitol Police timeline. That is the only link Lesh can be referring to. It shows 4 requests.
One at 1304, Two at 1309, Three at 1322, the fourth at 1349, the 5th at 1403.
At 1410 the Capitol Police Board declares an emergency. National Guard are now authorized to be deployed within Jurisdiction of Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, the Legislative Branch of Government.
Exactly right. But the simple fact that Trump wanted to protect his rally from trouble and said "fill the NG request" shows to me that he would not support a Capitol Riot, aka "an insurrection".The Capitol Police Board didn’t think they’d be necessary. We never needed the National Guard to defend Congress from the losing party before.
So you’re saying that Trump didn’t think that his supporters would get violent either.Exactly right. But the simple fact that Trump wanted to protect his rally from trouble and said "fill the NG request" shows to me that he would not support a Capitol Riot, aka "an insurrection".
Sund can not request the National Guard/Federal Troops unless it is in writing. Can't get it in writing during an emergency. Not enough time.One of Eletra’s link had SUND quoted saying he had not requested NG
The Barbaric violence perpetrated by the very few has not been proven to be done by MAGA. Nobody defends the Barbaric behavior of the very few. Everyone calls for a trial of those that participated in Barbaric behavior.So you’re saying that Trump didn’t think that his supporters would get violent either.
So we are in agreement, no one thought that the MAGA crowd would resort to such barbaric violence.
Everyone was wrong. They were more than happy to do so.
It was more than a few and they were definitely proven to be MAGA.The Barbaric violence perpetrated by the very few has not been proven to be done by MAGA.
First and foremost, my links are all to .gov sites were the law is written. Second, my only other link is to a pdf file that shows the timeline.DURING THE RIOT
You moron
No, it was a few, in a crowd of tens of thousands, it is a few, relative to the crowd size.It was more than a few and they were definitely proven to be MAGA.
1. Was not a denial.
Lesh is very vague, proving no knowledge beyond headlines.Learn how to read before posting lies.
1. Read Bowser's letter denying the NG request
2. Read that Irving denied Sund's request. (Irving was lead on the Capitol Police Board and reported to Pelosi)