James Hansen Wishes he Wasn’t So Right about Global Warming

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No. I think they must study these cycles in depth because understanding them is key to understanding where the planet is going. They have been occurring for more than 3 million years. It's not something to gloss over. You can't just say orbital cycles and leave it at that. It actually has to be able to explain the trigger for glacial periods and the return to interglacial periods. The obvious answer is temperature. And the obvious answer for that is the ocean because that's where the heat is stored. And this makes 100% sense because of the unique landmass configuration of the planet, especially the northern hemisphere and it's sensitivity to temperature change.
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Once again, in your DISHONEST effort to deny AGW, you have put up a graph with a Scale that would not show IF there was a basis for AGW or Not! (10 Million yrs, LOL)
It does Not/CANNOT show whether or not Man warmed the planet in the last 150 years. The time in question, nor the normal variation in shorter periods that is NOT natural in ours.

This is intentionally Dishonest. We're way beyond your natural stupidity due to explanations by me/others.
It's irrelevant Bullshlt.
You're a Truth Crook.


Recent WaPo

"""Scientists are confident that, apart from the global warming of recent decades, it was Earth's warmest period in the past 100,000 years.
They estimate that temperatures averaged somewhere between 0.2 degrees Celsius and 1 degree Celsius (0.36 to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than they were from 1850-1900.

Earth is at its hottest in thousands of years. Here's how we know.​

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[Crick]

No telling when. If past performance is any indication it's still 2C away. As for why it will happen? Really? You don't know? Salinity and density changes due to temperature change and wind pattern changes due to solar variability changes.

What makes you think the Earth is going to warm another 2C from glacial cycle forcing?

This shows many degrees of varation between interglacial peaks.

while this

and this

and this

show us well past the peak and cooling.

 

[jc456]

Once again, in your DISHONEST effort to deny AGW, you have put up a graph with a Scale that would not show IF there was a basis for AGW or Not! (10 Million yrs, LOL)
It does Not/CANNOT show whether or not Man warmed the planet in the last 150 years. The time in question, nor the normal variation in shorter periods that is NOT natural in ours.

This is intentionally Dishonest. We're way beyond your natural stupidity due to explanations by me/others.
It's irrelevant Bullshlt.
You're a Truth Crook.


Recent WaPo
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"""Scientists are confident that, apart from the global warming of recent decades, it was Earth's warmest period in the past 100,000 years.
They estimate that temperatures averaged somewhere between 0.2 degrees Celsius and 1 degree Celsius (0.36 to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than they were from 1850-1900.

Earth is at its hottest in thousands of years. Here's how we know.​

`

Scales? Hahaha. The convenience of exaggerating . 1 of something is a warmer passion

 

[jc456]

What makes you think the Earth is going to warm another 2C from glacial cycle forcing?

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This shows many degrees of varation between interglacial peaks.

while this
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and this
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and this
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show us well past the peak and cooling.

No data sets to show evidence

 

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What makes you think the Earth is going to warm another 2C from glacial cycle forcing?

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This shows many degrees of varation between interglacial peaks.

while this
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and this
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and this
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show us well past the peak and cooling.

Because this interglacial is 2C cooler than previous interglacial periods despite your attempt to post bogus data. It would be a really neat trick to have the same temperature as the previous interglacial periods with 26 ft shallower seas.

 

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show us well past the peak and cooling.

In your fake data dreams.

 

[ding]

Once again, in your DISHONEST effort to deny AGW, you have put up a graph with a Scale that would not show IF there was a basis for AGW or Not! (10 Million yrs, LOL)
It does Not/CANNOT show whether or not Man warmed the planet in the last 150 years. The time in question, nor the normal variation in shorter periods that is NOT natural in ours.

This is intentionally Dishonest. We're way beyond your natural stupidity due to explanations by me/others.
It's irrelevant Bullshlt.
You're a Truth Crook.


Recent WaPo
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"""Scientists are confident that, apart from the global warming of recent decades, it was Earth's warmest period in the past 100,000 years.
They estimate that temperatures averaged somewhere between 0.2 degrees Celsius and 1 degree Celsius (0.36 to 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than they were from 1850-1900.

Earth is at its hottest in thousands of years. Here's how we know.​

`

I can't help it if you don't understand the big picture. It's because you don't look at all the data that you have mistaken a natural warming trend for AGW.

 

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Eccentricity is the only movement that changes orbital radius and it has the least effect. Obliquity changes the intensity of our seasons while Precession changes which hemisphere will have the most dramatic seasonal change. Obliquity has the largest impact on the glacial-interglacial cycle.

As shown above, this is wrong

Vertical movement is driven by density. Broad circulation both of air and water is driven by the Coriolis force. The tides create short scale movements. Consisten wind patterns can also drive regional currents.

Like the seasons

We learn something new every day.

Why didn't the sun warm that cooler air?

You've explained weather. What you haven't explained is how Milankovitch forcing melts millions of square miles of ice without a little help.

Look if you don't want to believe that solar forcing effectively alters solar radiation received and can impact wind patterns, that's on you.

But you still haven't proven how orbital cycles can impact temperatures by 2C and causes glacial and interglacial periods. Heat circulation being disrupted and restored to the Arctic does that. So be a moron. I don't care.

 

[Crick]

Look if you don't want to believe that solar forcing effectively alters solar radiation received and can impact wind patterns, that's on you.

If you lack a basic understanding of the Milakovitch cycles, just admit it.

But you still haven't proven how orbital cycles can impact temperatures by 2C and causes glacial and interglacial periods.

Milankovitch followed by positive feedback from CO2 and water vapor. Read a few studies by Jeremy Shakun. It's his specialty.

Heat circulation being disrupted and restored to the Arctic does that. So be a moron. I don't care.

Explain what drives your cycle.

 

[ding]

If you lack a basic understanding of the Milakovitch cycles, just admit it.

Milankovitch followed by positive feedback from CO2 and water vapor. Read a few studies by Jeremy Shakun. It's his specialty.

Explain what drives your cycle.

Show me the math how much orbital forcing can temperatures up and down. Walk me through it.

Because according to you it's only 7 W/m^2, right?

 

[Crick]

Show me the math how much orbital forcing can temperatures up and down. Walk me through it.

Because according to you it's only 7 W/m^2, right?

You keep forgetting that old saw about extraordinary claims. My position is the position of a very strong majority of mainstream science because that's where I got it. As far as can be told from the repeatedly ignored requests that you provide supporting links, your position is YOURS ALONE. It's your responsibility - and has been for a great long while - to provide some evidence supporting your view.

 

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You keep forgetting that old saw about extraordinary claims. My position is the position of a very strong majority of mainstream science because that's where I got it. As far as can be told from the repeatedly ignored requests that you provide supporting links, your position is YOURS ALONE. It's your responsibility - and has been for a great long while - to provide some evidence supporting your view.

Really? What extraordinary claim do you think I am making?

 

[Crick]

Really? What extraordinary claim do you think I am making?

That the glacial cycle is somehow driven by the world's oceans, you lying piece of shit.

 

[ding]

That the glacial cycle is somehow driven by the world's oceans, you lying piece of shit.

When the AMOC switches off the northern hemisphere gets colder very quickly.

 

[Crick]

When the AMOC switches off the northern hemisphere gets colder very quickly.

What would a stupid, lying piece of shit like you know about anything?

 

[ding]

What would a stupid, lying piece of shit like you know about anything?

It's not from me. It's been known for awhile. Why don't you already know this?

 

[Crick]

It's not from me. It's been known for awhile. Why don't you already know this?

What a fucking idiotic, insane, lying piece of shit!!!!

 

[ding]

What a fucking idiotic, insane, lying piece of shit!!!!

"...Another project looks back much further in time, in trying to understand connections between deep ocean circulation and the timing of Earth's ice ages. Observations indicate the pacing of ice ages changed about a million years ago, with ice ages becoming longer in duration and more intense. I am using a sediment core from the South Atlantic Ocean to reconstruct changes in deep ocean circulation over the Mid-Pleistocene Transition when ice ages became more intense and longer. I want to understand what role deep ocean circulation may have played in contributing to this major climate transition..."

What’s happening with AMOC?

Scientists discuss the state of the Atlantic Ocean’s ‘conveyor belt’

www.whoi.edu

 

[Crick]

"...Another project looks back much further in time, in trying to understand connections between deep ocean circulation and the timing of Earth's ice ages. Observations indicate the pacing of ice ages changed about a million years ago, with ice ages becoming longer in duration and more intense. I am using a sediment core from the South Atlantic Ocean to reconstruct changes in deep ocean circulation over the Mid-Pleistocene Transition when ice ages became more intense and longer. I want to understand what role deep ocean circulation may have played in contributing to this major climate transition..."

What’s happening with AMOC?

Scientists discuss the state of the Atlantic Ocean’s ‘conveyor belt’

www.whoi.edu

Your stupid fucking idea has no way to create multiple glacial cycles. You missed that wee point, dincha. Liar.

 

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Your stupid fucking idea has no way to create multiple glacial cycles. You missed that wee point, dincha. Liar.

Warning of a forthcoming collapse of the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation - Nature Communications

The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is a major tipping element in the climate system. Here, data-driven estimators for the time of tipping predict a potential AMOC collapse mid-century under the current emission scenario.

www.nature.com