i've re-considered the entire Ukraine case.. enter *your* opinions please..

[AntonToo]

Neither are the Wagners, or the Chechens, or the Rosvguardia, or the other "volunteer battalions" that are doing the actual fighting and dying for Putin's Imperial ambitions.

So as far as that goes, AlexanderPK might have an argument that "Russian" casualties are only ~5K, but the casualties among the actual fighters on the Russian side overall really is 10x that number...

Kadyrovites are considered part of National Guard of Russia (Rosvguardia) , they get a death payout and would be part of the Finance Ministry's numbers. DNR/LNR/Wagner casualties don't count though.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Nope, my numbers are not based on a ridiculous, stupid formula of simply taking a number you don't happen to like and arbitrary dividing it by 10.

You have no fucking clue how many Russians died in Ukraine, and you don't care that your shitty government (that knows exactly how many payouts it has to make for the dead soldiers) is making sure you don't know.

Each and every American that died in action is listed here in US, because we honor our soldiers and respect their sacrifice. All your government respects is your Dear Leader.

Thank God you said nothing of freedom and democracy again. Well, I didn't think of this before but now when you got me started I took to some arithmetics and here's what I got:
my town is of 60 000 people; we've got two soldiers who were killed there; Russia's population is 144 000 000; let's assume every other town in the country has the same proportion of KIA, then (144 000 000/60 000)*2= 4800. That should be your number.

 

[georgephillip]

Moron, Rick Scott has been a pathetic Russian shill since his ass got convicted for pedophilia.

His "analysis" is worth fuck all as anyone who kept track of his war predictions of grand Russian victory well knows.

Rick Scott is indeed a corporate fraudster, but he's firmly on your side of the current NATO/Russia conflict

Sen. Rick Scott: We Must Deliver Lethal Military Aid to Ukraine & Take Care of American Families

If you honestly believe NATO is winning the current proxy war in Ukraine, you should definitely support Scott and his MAGA delusions.

Democrats: Medicare fraud is 'fungus' Scott will never get rid of

 

[para bellum]

Rick Scott is indeed a corporate fraudster, but he's firmly on your side of the current NATO/Russia conflict

Anton was conflating Rick Scott and Scott Ritter. Yes, Rick Scott is one of the stronger GOP voices on Ukraine's side.

Ritter is the pedo, and a Putin apologist who hasn't been right on Ukraine yet...

 

[georgephillip]

Dumbass he was CONVICTED of pedophilia in a court of law and just so happens, became Kremlin's cheerleader #1 after that.

How are you defining "Pedophilia?"

Scott Ritter - Wikipedia

"Ritter was arrested again in November 2009[33] over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site.

"Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer repeatedly identified himself as a 15-year-old girl.[2]

"Ritter said in his own testimony during the trial that he believed the other party was an adult acting out her fantasy.[34] The chat room had an 'age 18 and above' policy, which Ritter stated to the undercover officer.[2]

"The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on a $25,000 unsecured bail.

"Charges included 'unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation'.[35]

"Ritter rejected a plea bargain and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a courtroom in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, on April 14, 2011.[2][36]

"In October 2011, he received a sentence of 1½ to 5½ years in prison.[37]

"He was sent to Laurel Highlands state prison in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, in March 2012 and paroled in September 2014.[38][34]["

 

[AlexanderPK]

How are you defining "Pedophilia?"

Scott Ritter - Wikipedia

"Ritter was arrested again in November 2009[33] over communications with a police decoy he met on an Internet chat site.

"Police said that he exposed himself, via a web camera, after the officer repeatedly identified himself as a 15-year-old girl.[2]

"Ritter said in his own testimony during the trial that he believed the other party was an adult acting out her fantasy.[34] The chat room had an 'age 18 and above' policy, which Ritter stated to the undercover officer.[2]

"The next month, Ritter waived his right to a preliminary hearing and was released on a $25,000 unsecured bail.

"Charges included 'unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation'.[35]

"Ritter rejected a plea bargain and was found guilty of all but the criminal attempt count in a courtroom in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, on April 14, 2011.[2][36]

"In October 2011, he received a sentence of 1½ to 5½ years in prison.[37]

"He was sent to Laurel Highlands state prison in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, in March 2012 and paroled in September 2014.[38][34]["

The usual bullshit they resort to when there's a need to get rid of someone they don't like no more.

 

[gipper]

Die for me?? Moron, it's Russians killing Ukranians. Ukranians who CHOSE to defend their land against invaders.

I'm HAPPY we can help Ukraine and Kremlin tools and apologists like you can go fuck yourselves.

Claim down Karen.

You support this proxy war. You want Ukraine to fight rather than negotiate a peace treaty. You are a confused warmonger.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The other mofo quoted 100 000, you 50 000, get the right ass to dig these figures from, stop embarrassing yourself. We're killing Banderiets, i.e. your puppets, i.e. the universal evil which is the collective West with the US at the helm. There's nothing bloody about that, it's exterminating of rats. It's somewhat noble, I'd say.

All Republics Go Bananas

That evil shouldn't be blamed on the American people; it's our hereditary self-appointed ruling class that must be exterminated. Trump tried to dismantle it through political means. As happened to Gorbachev in the Communist state, our political system will crush any healthy reforms. It only allows toxic ones.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nope. Entirely beside the point.

This isn’t a dissertation on your miscomprehension of history and Vietnam.

Epitaph on the Vietnam War Memorial: PROUD TO DIE TAKING A RICH KID'S PLACE

Our ruling class's purpose in the Vietnam War was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest sons of the White working class. Mission Accomplished.

 

[georgephillip]

This was true when Russia still held Izium. Izium was the logistics hub for the northern axis of the Donbas front. The forces from Popasna were the southern axis. The Izium group would move south/east and take Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, and the Popasna group would advance through Bakhmut and move up the highway to meet up with the Izium group and thereby secure at least the major cities of Donestk Oblast.

The loss of Izium and the northern supply routes makes all that irrelevant. Bakhmut no longer has any strategic significance. It makes no military sense to continue frontal assaults at Bakhmut while Ukraine is making advances to the north. The Russians should be shoring up defensive positions around the current line of contact, and move what reserves they can muster from Bakhmut up to support Lysychansk-Lyman. Ukraine appears poised to take Lyman and Kreminna, and put Lysychansk and SDonetsk under siege.

The casualties Ukraine suffered taking Izium and are still experiencing are unsustainable. It was a propaganda victory and little else.

SCOTT RITTER: Why Russia Will Still Win, Despite Ukraine's Gains

"Ukraine has exhausted its strategic reserves, and they will have to be reconstituted if Ukraine were to have any aspirations of continuing an advance along these lines.

"This will take months.

"Russia, meanwhile, has lost nothing more than some indefensible space.

"Russian casualties were minimal, and equipment losses readily replaced.

"Russia has actually strengthened its military posture by creating strong defensive lines in the north capable of withstanding any Ukrainian attack, while increasing combat power available to complete the task of liberating the remainder of the Donetsk People’s Republic under Ukrainian control.

"Russia has far more strategic depth than Ukraine.

"Russia is beginning to strike critical infrastructure targets, such as power stations, that will not only cripple the Ukrainian economy, but also their ability to move large amounts of troops rapidly via train.?

 

[AlexanderPK]

All Republics Go Bananas

That evil shouldn't be blamed on the American people; it's our hereditary self-appointed ruling class that must be exterminated. Trump tried to dismantle it through political means. As happened to Gorbachev in the Communist state, our political system will crush any healthy reforms. It only allows toxic ones.

Well, the reasonable ones have been silent for a while so I thought only the rats remained. Sorry.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The casualties Ukraine suffered taking Izium and are still experiencing are unsustainable. It was a propaganda victory and little else.

SCOTT RITTER: Why Russia Will Still Win, Despite Ukraine's Gains

"Ukraine has exhausted its strategic reserves, and they will have to be reconstituted if Ukraine were to have any aspirations of continuing an advance along these lines.

"This will take months.

"Russia, meanwhile, has lost nothing more than some indefensible space.

"Russian casualties were minimal, and equipment losses readily replaced.

"Russia has actually strengthened its military posture by creating strong defensive lines in the north capable of withstanding any Ukrainian attack, while increasing combat power available to complete the task of liberating the remainder of the Donetsk People’s Republic under Ukrainian control.

"Russia has far more strategic depth than Ukraine.

"Russia is beginning to strike critical infrastructure targets, such as power stations, that will not only cripple the Ukrainian economy, but also their ability to move large amounts of troops rapidly via train.?

On the other hand

 

[AntonToo]

Thank God you said nothing of freedom and democracy again. Well, I didn't think of this before but now when you got me started I took to some arithmetics and here's what I got:
my town is of 60 000 people; we've got two soldiers who were killed there; Russia's population is 144 000 000; let's assume every other town in the country has the same proportion of KIA, then (144 000 000/60 000)*2= 4800. That should be your number.

Wtf makes you think your town is representative of entire Russia?

Your presumption that it does is baseless.

 

[AntonToo]

Claim down Karen.

You support this proxy war. You want Ukraine to fight rather than negotiate a peace treat. You are a confused warmonger.

Dumbass you can't negotiate when you give Putin anything he wants as soon as moves his army in.

Thats like saying that WW2 was the fault of allies because they didn't wave the white flag and simply handed over their countries to Japan and Germany.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Wtf makes you think your town is representative of entire Russia?

Your presumption that it does is baseless.

Do you think I didn't know you'd say something like that? Fuck you, my American unfriend. It's time to go to bed.

 

[AntonToo]

Do you think I didn't know you'd say something like that? Fuck you, my American unfriend. It's time to go to bed.

You knew it because the glaring flaw of your anecdote based estimate is OBVIOUS.

Just as 1+1 = 2 is obvious, but more importantly TRUE.

 

[AntonToo]

The problem with you, duplicitous pseudo-righteous mother-fuckers is that you won't notice the other blood that started this whole thing.

"This whole thing" was started by Putin exploiting internal Ukranian instability to annex Crimea and arm separatists in Dombas/Luhansk.

 

[AntonToo]

The usual bullshit they resort to when there's a need to get rid of someone they don't like no more.

Moron, who is "they"? Jurrors who heard the case and convicted Ritter based on law?

 

[georgephillip]

We didn't invade the RVN. The REPUBLIC of VIETNAM was embroiled in a war against the PRVN. PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC of VIETNAM. The sitting government of the RVN requested our support under the SEATO treaty of which we were both signatories. The PRVN requested support from the People's Republic of China and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Both the RVN and PRVN were sovereign countries, free to make treaties and request foreign assistance.

You're conflating real history with official history.

The US destroyed South Vietnam and its neighbors by abetting a civil war ( think Ukraine) and then murdering, maiming, and displacing millions of innocent human beings for PROFIT$.

The Legacy of the Vietnam War, Noam Chomsky interviewed by Paul Shannon

"The real invasion of South Vietnam which was directed largely against the rural society began directly in 1962 after many years of working through mercenaries and client groups.

"And that fact simply does not exist in official American history.

"There is no such event in American history as the attack on South Vietnam.

"That’s gone. Of course,

"It is a part of real history.

"But it’s not a part of official history.

"And most of us who were opposed to the war, especially in the early ’60’s — the war we were opposed to was the war on South Vietnam which destroyed South Vietnam’s rural society.

"The South was devastated."

 

[gipper]

Dumbass you can't negotiate when you give Putin anything he wants as soon as moves his army in.

Thats like saying that WW2 was the fault of allies because they didn't wave the white flag and simply handed over their countries to Japan and Germany.

Must you always be a dick who knows nothing. They had a tentative agreement back in April but dumb Boris put a stop to it, because the oligarchy demanded it.

Why do you support the oligarchy? Are you dumb?