It's Official: Bukele will NOT Release El Salvadoran Citizen Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the United States

[WorldWatcher]

He asked for the bond hearing, why didn’t he prepare?

It was a bond hearing, what are you talking about "prepare"?

Bond hearings are typically in a court room where the Judge has a stack of cases and they are moving through as fast as possible. "He" didn't even probably have a final attorney, just public defender that also had been handed a stack of cases. No discovery, no supbeona power, and a short time between being detained and when he was brought before the judge.

BTW - I just checked, it was Judge Kessler in the March Bond hearing and Judge Jones in the final asylum hearing. In October, and for the later hearing there was time to prepare. Which resulted in the witholding of deportation.

you dembots have an unlimited amount of excuses in your quest to ignore the court

And there you have it. Reduced to name calling.

My daughter is a prosecutor and there is an oft repeated saying: "When you have the facts pound the facts, when you have the law pound the law. When you have neither pound the table".
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And this ladies and gentleman why I think the Trump Administration is trying mightiliy to make sure Abrego Garcia never seeds the inside of a United States District Court courtroom.

In a habeas corpus proceeding in open court there would be full discovery including subpoena power, the ability to call government witnesses and force them to testify under oath, the ability to challenge evidence.

Something the Trump administration doesn't want, they don't want the case to be examined in the full light of day. They'd rather be able to disappear people in the dead of night.

WW

 

[struth]

It was a bond hearing, what are you talking about "prepare"?

Bond hearings are typically in a court room where the Judge has a stack of cases and they are moving through as fast as possible. "He" didn't even probably have a final attorney, just public defender that also had been handed a stack of cases. No discovery, no supbeona power, and a short time between being detained and when he was brought before the judge.

BTW - I just checked, it was Judge Kessler in the March Bond hearing and Judge Jones in the final asylum hearing. In October, and for the later hearing there was time to prepare. Which resulted in the witholding of deportation.



And there you have it. Reduced to name calling.

My daughter is a prosecutor and there is an oft repeated saying: "When you have the facts pound the facts, when you have the law pound the law. When you have neither pound the table".
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And this ladies and gentleman why I think the Trump Administration is trying mightiliy to make sure Abrego Garcia never seeds the inside of a United States District Court courtroom.

In a habeas corpus proceeding in open court there would be full discovery including subpoena power, the ability to call government witnesses and force them to testify under oath, the ability to challenge evidence.

Something the Trump administration doesn't want, they don't want the case to be examined in the full light of day. They'd rather be able to disappear people in the dead of night.

WW

Prepare, like get ready…you don’t know what prepare means?

You can subpoena witnesses for any hearing…even a bond hearing

He had a full deportation hearing

 

[WorldWatcher]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/

Now people are going to be called before the Federal District Court Judge to explain.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

WW

 

[TemplarKormac]

It's also difficult to believe that Trump couldn't just ask El Salvador to return this prisoner. He's PAYING them. If they refused, he could just stop paying them, like he does to everyone else he does business with.

This has gone beyond money now. Bukele doesn't want to return him.

Forcing his hand would cause an international incident.

 

[Seymour Flops]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5250548-trump-abrego-garcia-deposition/

Now people are going to be called before the Federal District Court Judge to explain.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

WW

What's to explain? The Administration is being extremely transparent.

If El Salvador sends their citizen to the U.S., the U.S. will give him the appropriate reception.

Have you heard what the U.S. will do next? You should have, it has been very openly announced.

What more does the judge want to ask, you think?

 

[Concerned American]

It was a bond hearing, what are you talking about "prepare"?

Bond hearings are typically in a court room where the Judge has a stack of cases and they are moving through as fast as possible. "He" didn't even probably have a final attorney, just public defender that also had been handed a stack of cases. No discovery, no supbeona power, and a short time between being detained and when he was brought before the judge.

BTW - I just checked, it was Judge Kessler in the March Bond hearing and Judge Jones in the final asylum hearing. In October, and for the later hearing there was time to prepare. Which resulted in the witholding of deportation.



And there you have it. Reduced to name calling.

My daughter is a prosecutor and there is an oft repeated saying: "When you have the facts pound the facts, when you have the law pound the law. When you have neither pound the table".
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And this ladies and gentleman why I think the Trump Administration is trying mightiliy to make sure Abrego Garcia never seeds the inside of a United States District Court courtroom.

In a habeas corpus proceeding in open court there would be full discovery including subpoena power, the ability to call government witnesses and force them to testify under oath, the ability to challenge evidence.

Something the Trump administration doesn't want, they don't want the case to be examined in the full light of day. They'd rather be able to disappear people in the dead of night.

WW

Pound that table.

 

[TimFitz]

It's possible, yes. But how can you be so sure?

No, actually it’s just a theory of mine, and nothing more.

It fits the mold, though.

Getting the wrong guy would be classic for these morons and losers around Trump.

And constructing this laughable farce with El Salvador not being able to return him.

Trump’s real objective is to see if he can defy the Supreme Court and get away with it.

And his mob cheers for him, sucks up all the ridiculous nonsense he is bellowing about, and openly endorses Trump’s facism.

They cheer as their leader erodes their freedom.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, actually it’s just a theory of mine, and nothing more.

It fits the mold, though.

Yes, his being an MS13 member in a prison with primarily Tren de Aragua, could indeed be fatal.

El Salvador does not separate terrorist gangsters by their preferred affiliation. Probably don't assign them to prisons based on their preferred gender, either. Another reason for you to be outraged.

If I were running El Salvador's prisons, I would allow like gang members to be housed together, for any good that might do. But . . . it turns out that I don't run El Salvador's prisons any more than Judge Xinis does, nor the USSC.

Getting the wrong guy would be classic for these morons and losers around Trump.

Kilmar is hardly "the wrong guy."

And constructing this laughable farce with El Salvador not being able to return him.

Of course they could return him. President Bukele said in the WH today that it would be preposterous and of course he is not going to do it. He seems not to hate the United States as our left media does, so he won't send us a terrorist gangster.

Trump’s real objective is to see if he can defy the Supreme Court and get away with it.

You (all) keep saying that, but where is the defiance? The court told him to facilitate Kilmar's return. His people announced that they are ready to send a charter flight for him. How much more can they do?

And his mob cheers for him, sucks up all the ridiculous nonsense he is bellowing about, and openly endorses Trump’s facism.

They cheer as their leader erodes their freedom.

You're not connecting the dots on my loss of freedom due to immigration laws being enforced.

 

[TemplarKormac]

citizen

https://x.com/i/grok/share/9M9T19WmCsoG83akv0QS9UqZl

 

[TemplarKormac]

Okay dude. Sure.

How was Garcia supposed to get citizenship?

He could have claimed asylum for starters. He had a solid case for it. When his asylum was granted, he could have initiated the citizenship process, or in simple terms, he could have simply gotten in line.

 

[Marener]

He could have claimed asylum for starters. He had a solid case for it. When his asylum was granted, he could have initiated the citizenship process, or in simple terms, he could have simply gotten in line.

He was 16, not sure he knew the ins and outs of navigating the asylum system.
What line should he have gotten in?

 

[TemplarKormac]

He was 16, not sure he knew the ins and outs of navigating the asylum system.
What line should he have gotten in?

The one where people apply for citizenship, I guess...?

 

[Marener]

The one where people apply for citizenship, I guess...?

It’s not that simple.

 

[toobfreak]

I also don’t believe for a moment that if the President of the United States, who is PAYING El Salvador to imprison these people,

How is the USA paying El Salvador to imprison one of their own criminal citizens?

asks for his return he will be refused.

His return for what? To continue living illegally in the USA?
Garcia was twice determined part of terrorist gang MS13.
That abrogates all previous immigration arguments.

If you are here illegally and/or part of MS13, TdA, or any other crime gang,
you should leave.

Now.

 

[TemplarKormac]

It’s not that simple.

It's not supposed to be, Marener. US citizenship is sacred, something you must earn.

 

[Marener]

It's not supposed to be, Marener. US citizenship is sacred, something you must earn.

Pretending as though he had some realistic path to citizenship is a lie people like to tell themselves to justify letting a broken system remain broken.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Pretending as though he had some realistic path to citizenship is a lie people like to tell themselves to justify letting a broken system remain broken.

That's no excuse to come here illegally. It's simple enough if you put forth the effort. If you want it badly enough, you'll do it.

The system isn't broken. The people are not educated. Start there.

 

[Marener]

That's no excuse to come here illegally. It's simple enough if you put forth the effort. If you want it badly enough, you'll do it.

The system isn't broken. The people are not educated. Start there.

You’re not educated. You have no idea how the system works (or doesn’t work).

There was basically no chance he could get legal status.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You’re not educated. You have no idea how the system works (or doesn’t work).

There was basically no chance he could get legal status.

Come now, no need to hurl invective.

It's not hard these days to educate oneself. Ignorance is no excuse.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/cqI2kaNeTUbUXyhia3vXFQ5ie (scroll down)

 

[Marener]

Come now, no need to hurl invective.

It's not hard these days to educate oneself. Ignorance is no excuse.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/cqI2kaNeTUbUXyhia3vXFQ5ie (scroll down)

I’m well educated. As your link states, he’d have to have gotten a green card first. There was no real chance he could get a green card.